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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: psyconaught]
    #19203259 - 11/29/13 12:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

again this is not about the government, it was american citizens who initiated this ban and american citizens have the option to protest against it and most likely have it not go through, its called democracy, if you really care about the right of people to be forced to eat this and have it lied about(companies always find loopholes) then start petitions like all the doctors who wanted trans fats banned because it breaks their heart to see people younger and younger get heart attacks and the 20k people it kills a year who probably didn't even know it was bad for them.


And no im saying that the poor people who can't afford food are tired of being fed poison and lied about it.


and not in general but there are definitely kids with shitty parents who will benefit greatly with another 20 yrs of life when this goes through.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19203279 - 11/29/13 12:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

since when did not allowing companies to give people unknowingly dangerous foods mean i want a big government? you automatically assume i'm a liberal because i'm okay with them removing a dangeorus additive that is completely unnessecary.


so you don't think the government should stop people from serving trans fats correct?


then why is it okay to force them to label the ingredients?


and if its not okay then how the hell do we know what we are eating? companies would lie out there ass if there weren't any legal repercussions



and again it was an American citizen who initiated the FDA to ban trans fats, i even linked you a site were you could directly tell the gov not to do it. if you got enough people you could probably keep trans fats, i mean thats how they got the ban going in the first place was by the citizens protesting the poison that was being force fed to them

i mean trans fats weren't even labeled until 2006!!

and still they found ways to lie and cheat the consumers so the CITIZENS protested and now the government(made up of people elected by the people) is taking action


i think its a beautiful demonstration of democracy



".  You've lost sight of the fact that it is a bunch of assclowns in suits who have one goal in mind--to line their pockets with the fruits of the peoples labor."



your forgetting that the companies are literally causing children brain damage by using partially hydrogenated oil because its cheaper.



'problem isn't people eating transfat"


it unknowingly kills 20k people a year that is definitely a problem, and again its not being made illegal to eat you can eat it all you want but restaurants and food companies can't label it as food because trans fats are a toxin and have been proven to be deadly you can still eat trans fats the same way you sprinkle lead shavings onto your pizza, its just restaurants/food companies aren't allowed to.


"government sticking their goddamn noses in everything to 'solve' the problems"

nope again it was the American citizens taking action against the companies that were literally poisoning them for more money.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19203340 - 11/29/13 01:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i don't care if it was a citizen that initiated the protest. There are hardcore socialists and communists who happen to be american citizens that doesn't mean i have to agree with them. and you keep using words like "forced," no one is forced to do do anything by corporations. People have to choose to purchase certain food items or frequent certain restaurants for them to be successful. No one is FORCED to do anything. What makes me different than any other american? I don't eat trans fats because i choose not to. Why do i have this magical power of choice that others do not? Where are the invisible guns that corporations are holding forcing people to consume trans fats?


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19203351 - 11/29/13 01:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Here's the difference between a liberal and a libertarian;


If a libertarian doesn't like something, they don't do it.


If a liberal doesn't want or like something, or doesn't think it is good, they think everyone should be prevented from having it.

And since when does 'a citizen' or a group of citizens decide what everyone else does? 


That's fucking Moonbat, socialist shit scum policy.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19203354 - 11/29/13 01:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

By the way, you would probably be happy as a pig in shit living in New York city under Nanny Bloomberg.  That way he could protect you from the evil businesses and companies.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19203356 - 11/29/13 01:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Here's the difference between a liberal and a libertarian;


If a libertarian doesn't like something, they don't do it.


If a liberal doesn't want or like something, or doesn't think it is good, they think everyone should be prevented from having it.



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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19203377 - 11/29/13 01:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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psyconaught said:
i don't care if it was a citizen that initiated the protest. There are hardcore socialists and communists who happen to be american citizens that doesn't mean i have to agree with them. and you keep using words like "forced," no one is forced to do do anything by corporations. People have to choose to purchase certain food items or frequent certain restaurants for them to be successful. No one is FORCED to do anything. What makes me different than any other american? I don't eat trans fats because i choose not to. Why do i have this magical power of choice that others do not? Where are the invisible guns that corporations are holding forcing people to consume trans fats?








its called not being broke because of the shitty economy and not having to eat the shitty crummy food thats cheapest












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starfire_xes said:
Here's the difference between a liberal and a libertarian;


If a libertarian doesn't like something, they don't do it.


If a liberal doesn't want or like something, or doesn't think it is good, they think everyone should be prevented from having it.

And since when does 'a citizen' or a group of citizens decide what everyone else does? 


That's fucking Moonbat, socialist shit scum policy.









are you going to answer the question?




would you be okay with companies not having to test for lead?


and again


so you don't think the government should stop people from serving trans fats correct?


then why is it okay to force them to label the ingredients?


and if its not okay then how the hell do we know what we are eating? companies would lie out there ass if there weren't any legal repercussions



where do you draw the line on what is okay to enforce and what is not? how much government interference is okay and how much isn't? where is the line? i think poisoning customers is a good area to cover


and again your rights are not being taken away you can eat trans fats all you want but restaurants cannot sell them as food items because they are poisonous in the same way they can't sell rat poison intended for consumption.

would you be okay with companies labeling crack cocaine as health food for kids?



where do you draw the line?


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew] * 1
    #19203384 - 11/29/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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its called not being broke because of the shitty economy and not having to eat the shitty crummy food thats cheapest




i grew up with a single dad and two other siblings. we were dirt poor and still managed to eat healthy. Its actually cheaper to eat healthily than eating shit fast food if you break it down and utilize purchasing power and bulk buying.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: psyconaught]
    #19203392 - 11/29/13 01:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

yes but how long ago was that? 1995-2006 it was nearly impossible to find something without trans fats and its pretty hard to find something cheaper then 10 cents a meal(ramen noodle)




also waiting for someone to comment on lead.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19203397 - 11/29/13 01:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i'm 18 years old right now. And graduated high school at the beginning of last summer so everything i'm referring to is current.

I already commented on it. Lead is not a food item/additive. Trans fat is, just like citric acid or any other chemical used in processed foods.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: psyconaught]
    #19203405 - 11/29/13 01:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

and i already showed you that trans fats are NOT a food additive and is about to be considered non edible which is what this is all about, something that has no safe level for human consumption can't be considered a food additive especially if neither improves flavor or shelf life and has 0 nutritional value.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19203407 - 11/29/13 02:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

okay then citric acid cannot be considered a food additive by your definition. Oh and you gave the definition for food, not a food additive, trans fats are most definitely food additives.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19203409 - 11/29/13 02:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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lonelyjew said:
yes but how long ago was that? 1995-2006 it was nearly impossible to find something without trans fats and its pretty hard to find something cheaper then 10 cents a meal(ramen noodle)




also waiting for someone to comment on lead.





No one is going to add lead to anything LOL.

It's cheap to eat without transfat.  ever hear of fresh vegetables?


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19203416 - 11/29/13 02:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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psyconaught said:
okay then citric acid cannot be considered a food additive by your definition. Oh and you gave the definition for food, not a food additive, trans fats are most definitely food additives.






In biochemistry, the conjugate base of citric acid, citrate, is important as an intermediate in the citric acid cycle, which occurs in the metabolism of all aerobic organisms.


no its actually a necessary part of our bodily functions




food additive
Web definitions

    an additive to food intended to improve its flavor or appearance or shelf-life







fine so then lead IS indeed a food additive






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lonelyjew said:
yes but how long ago was that? 1995-2006 it was nearly impossible to find something without trans fats and its pretty hard to find something cheaper then 10 cents a meal(ramen noodle)




also waiting for someone to comment on lead.





No one is going to add lead to anything LOL.

It's cheap to eat without transfat.  ever hear of fresh vegetables?








no but they sure as hell wouldn't make any effort to take it out if they didn't have to and lead used to be used in a lot of things before the government made it illegal




and where can i buy fresh veggies for cheaper then 10 cents a meal?


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19203422 - 11/29/13 02:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

and then what do you do about the people who choose to eat unhealthy which causes healthy eaters to have to pay more for health insurance?



why is that okay? why is it okay for people to have their poor choices directly affect the cost of health care but the banning of trans fats is not okay?


what makes one okay and not the other?


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19203557 - 11/29/13 04:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i dont worry about what other people eat.  it isn't my business.  And if you spend 10 cents a meal to eat, i dont give a fuck if you are poor or not, you deserve the shit you get.  Other people are going to have to pay more for health insurance anyhow.

Most conditions are because of genetic disposition, nothing else.

I could give a rats ass if someone eats sugar, fat, or dog shit. 

It isn't my business.  Maybe you want your nose up other peoples asses, but that just goes to show you are a socialist moonbat.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: lonelyjew]
    #19203723 - 11/29/13 06:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Trans-fats are poison and really don't do much anyway except add shelf-life to shitty, packaged baked goods like twinkies,which I contend are also poison. Almost no one uses them anymore anyway. Totally pointless but I guess the feds are just trying to get some press.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: setb]
    #19203800 - 11/29/13 07:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If you read this forum, its basically seems like "libertarians" have lost there ability to think and discuss anything, because they are so paranoid.
Sorry libertarians but you can't win an argument with the same post in every thread.
Every thread basicly goes like this " Im a libertarian who knows the answer to everything.  That answer is everyone who doesn't think like me is a moonbat."


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: psyconaught]
    #19204204 - 11/29/13 09:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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your missing the point entirely. No one is disputing that trans fats are bad. Cigarettes are bad for you as well, should we ban those? No, because people have a right to their own body, they should be allowed to ingest trans fats just like they have the right to consume tobacco products. If people do not want trans fat in their foods they won't eat foods that contain trans fats, simple as that.




You're missing the point entirely.  People make the conscious decision to smoke.

When people are trying to avoid trans fats, they can look at the nutritional facts, and see a "0g" trans fat, but that doesn't actually mean there is no trans fat. 

When going to a restaurant, it's the same thing.  You rarely can be sure that your food doesn't contain trans fat, or wasn't cooked in it.

There is nothing "authoritarian" about the policy.  Starfire should bring his rambling to the butthurt crybaby thread, because the shit he is saying is absolutely ridiculous.


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Re: FDA want to ban trans fats completely. [Re: Mush4Brains] * 1
    #19204640 - 11/29/13 12:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Every thread basicly goes like this " Im a libertarian who knows the answer to everything.  That answer is everyone who doesn't think like me is a moonbat."



that sounds more like a liberal. The libertarian standpoint is that the individual knows what is best for themselves. Therefore decisions should be left to the individual. In a libertarian society no one would force an individual to not consume or consume certain products.


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