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All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because....
#19199517 - 11/28/13 06:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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oneness is onanism - the Church calls Eastern Meditation autoerotic selfish fixation... and it's true because in twoness it's actual erotic and (ideally) selfless fixation on the other... which just sounds like more fun... if you don't wear it out... btw you can wear out your meditation too... so don't laugh
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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: eve69]
#19199593 - 11/28/13 07:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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the real I doesn't prefer, it knows ?:-)
no doubt if doing the right thing, but if doing the wrong thing there will be doubt
oneness is without suffering
with twoness we have to suffer a bit (thoughts), life isn't easy :-)
choice
it is possible to be happy with either, I chose the middleway in most things
no need to become a buddhist munk in this life, maybe in next life  it can be freeing to just once notice that all is one, and try to better oneself from that
nobody is able to do it completely..
what I realized the most from it is that the heart gives, the mind constantly wants
eckhart tolle says it well too "I am not my painbody" , not my thoughts,emotions,desires
I can chose my own suffering, no suffering without thoughts
peace :-)
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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: eve69]
#19199747 - 11/28/13 08:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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eve69 said: oneness is onanism - the Church calls Eastern Meditation autoerotic selfish fixation...
Actually, the Christian "Holy Trinity" is a pretty mystical notion. Three things that are actually one thing.
As with many mystical insights, Philosophical Daoism came up with the idea long, long before Jesus and the other players entered the scene. Daoists refer to the "10,000 things" that flow from the same source as the one thing, with each thing retaining its individual identity.
The Many that are also One.
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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: all this beauty]
#19201907 - 11/28/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I dont understand this thread.
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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: Deviate] 2
#19202192 - 11/28/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I prefer zeroness. Less complicated overall.
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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: deCypher]
#19203170 - 11/28/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nondualism ftw!
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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: eve69]
#19206713 - 11/29/13 10:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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eve69 said: oneness is onanism - the Church calls Eastern Meditation autoerotic selfish fixation... and it's true because in twoness it's actual erotic and (ideally) selfless fixation on the other... which just sounds like more fun... if you don't wear it out... btw you can wear out your meditation too... so don't laugh
Oneness is the same as universalism imo, which is just putting yourself in another's position.
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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: teknix]
#19207520 - 11/30/13 06:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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exactly like walking in someone else's shoes other shoes - pointless callouses keep to your shoes but go shrimping elsewhere
why must i walk a mile in your shoes if im shrimping your toes?
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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: eve69]
#19207537 - 11/30/13 06:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Good point eve
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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: teknix]
#19211433 - 12/01/13 07:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said:
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eve69 said: oneness is onanism - the Church calls Eastern Meditation autoerotic selfish fixation... and it's true because in twoness it's actual erotic and (ideally) selfless fixation on the other... which just sounds like more fun... if you don't wear it out... btw you can wear out your meditation too... so don't laugh
Oneness is the same as universalism imo, which is just putting yourself in another's position.
Two can be as bad as One.
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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: eve69]
#19211586 - 12/01/13 09:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why not focus on what is the truth, instead of how we call which ideology?
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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: cbub]
#19211708 - 12/01/13 09:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cbub said: Why not focus on what is the truth, instead of how we call which ideology?
exactly ! it shows how all and any is for business so the smart ones jump to be by their ends, definition of their stores for shopping needs of truth rests ..
they kill the truth first, otherwise they cant mean it
we are really in worse.. they will try to pretend it is funny but .. for business only .. all lies and powers force to handle there for worse death
but I can give you the truth of two.. it is about individual superior free entity being out of free superiority and individual free superior entity being out of superior freedom .. which confirm that existence is to individuals rights out of objective free realities values ..
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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: eve69]
#19216978 - 12/02/13 12:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Existence will always bring dualism with it. Once you figured out a dualism as a 'one', you will see that this 'one' is part of a larger dualism and so forth... As far as I see, at least.
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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: BlueCoyote]
#19216982 - 12/02/13 12:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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"love and marriage love and marriage go together like a horse and carriage" 
"this I tell you brooother, you can't have one without the oooother"
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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: Sse]
#19217185 - 12/02/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: Sse]
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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: BlueCoyote]
#19217512 - 12/02/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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BlueCoyote said: Existence will always bring dualism with it. Once you figured out a dualism as a 'one', you will see that this 'one' is part of a larger dualism and so forth... As far as I see, at least.
dualism is opportunism of conditions powers, what is to conditions is by definition not true, and objective existence of what is not true take forms of opposite sense
like also because powerful positions on others beings is by definition not true superiority, the sense of superiority is only through worse aggressions on others beings for any real reaction that would give that sense
marriage or love..are worse when they are meaning to take conditions too seriously as the true existence fact, which is the reason of dualism on the individual level, for the absence of recognition that there is something else
it is impossible to stay objectively constant unless it is real in truth, only when the present is effectively being that free sense move out in true linear ways
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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: absols]
#19217552 - 12/02/13 02:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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 moo-ji?
 MOO _JEEEE????
 Oh no MOO -GEEE!!!!
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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: absols] 1
#19217995 - 12/02/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sorry man, I maybe only understand about 5% of what you want to say... and that's not enough to make some sense about it. Please bring it down to some less points.
Let me try anyhow "what is to conditions is by definition not true" Everything what exists, exists by condition and existence is true.
"for the absence of recognition that there is something else" Yes, the absence of something existing is the principle of dualism.
"it is impossible to stay objectively constant unless it is real in truth" Everything existing is real in truth, that's why people are so keen on inventing shit and bring it into existence.
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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: BlueCoyote]
#19222245 - 12/03/13 01:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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BlueCoyote said: Sorry man, I maybe only understand about 5% of what you want to say... and that's not enough to make some sense about it. Please bring it down to some less points.
Let me try anyhow "what is to conditions is by definition not true" Everything what exists, exists by condition and existence is true.
"for the absence of recognition that there is something else" Yes, the absence of something existing is the principle of dualism.
"it is impossible to stay objectively constant unless it is real in truth" Everything existing is real in truth, that's why people are so keen on inventing shit and bring it into existence.
look, you are desperately willing to justify evil as not being, in thinking being smart by saying that existence is anyway true ..
NO
what is to condition is by definition NOT TRUE
what is done before for now, is clearly stating that now do not exist .. truth is elsewhere that only who are relatively true act out of all as being present what is present cannot be but always free, that is how true reality or reality as there cant be false reality, it would be life so not reality .. so that is how reality is always what is objectively free constant thing of plural different ends and beings
and no again, for your second stance, meaning to deform my propos.. on the contrary the absence of something existing would be only one .. the will to abuse the presence of else, by forcing any confusion with or force it to be a thing to manipulate for powers on existence being fact.. , is the reason of dualism at the oneness wills that are not true
like creating the paradoxe and thinking that they can handle it for the veracity of powers over truth
keeping lying in saying that there is nothing while doing what is existing known as a thing forced.. cant be a source of someone as a creator of anything
when you reject what you know existing then you cannot ever exist.. so you are never one anyway ...but as we say one same will forced life by killing any other will, but not on their own ... you are totally insane and keep killing more for pretending existing
that is how dualism is the edges of what you are, so truth conceived it in freedoms ways ..
but actually you are anything there reversed that you would invent how you are being superior and to many other things you must invent ... and you cant stay steady on one thing to do because you cant you are not true ...
and for the third one, it is crap ..
everything is not existing ... truth only exist, so what is a plus, so what is free ... only reality can look as a thing but not the things you see, also reality of different plus positive communications ways to freedom of all and any still out..
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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: absols]
#19226150 - 12/04/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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"look, you are desperately willing to justify evil as not being" Hehe what ? I think that I never ever said existence is good, nor for something to exist it must be good nor only good exists. I didn't touched that existence=good line of thought.
In fact of course I think many things that exist are bad as well. Analogously things that not exist can be good as well. I only said, existence makes them 'real'.
"what is to condition is by definition NOT TRUE " Show me something existing without conditions then...
The other stuff, I don't know if I'm able to decipher I will try...
Edited by BlueCoyote (12/04/13 11:18 AM)
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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: eve69]
#19236676 - 12/06/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Silly moose
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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: BlueCoyote]
#19243609 - 12/08/13 03:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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BlueCoyote said: "look, you are desperately willing to justify evil as not being" Hehe what ? I think that I never ever said existence is good, nor for something to exist it must be good nor only good exists. I didn't touched that existence=good line of thought.
In fact of course I think many things that exist are bad as well. Analogously things that not exist can be good as well. I only said, existence makes them 'real'.
"what is to condition is by definition NOT TRUE " Show me something existing without conditions then...
The other stuff, I don't know if I'm able to decipher I will try...
it is only your will to say existing what doesn't obviously exist..which exhibit the liar you are, what is mortal is not being, or what is negative end, cant be a present thing for something to be it must its fact sources a thing cannot be if it is another source, and you cant call a reality of things what obviously is through force
existence when you mean it in terms of what you see objectively else, are out of constancy .. you whether your free perspectives or yourself being cannot see what is always been there, when you as an eye or you as a being in both cases you are mortal, so you cant know what is constant even in concept this is why metaphysics exist and philosophy, the way to think out of knowing where the being is always present about, then through positive objective conceptions of free ends, present facts could be proved being
what exist without condition is freedom, like your free realizations here .. it is always the source that is more the reference of existing thing, when perceived by another source it cant be said objectively so it is free, unless it is way superior or willing to ... like your kind love to say what others are
freedom cannot be conditioned obviously that is why it is the present reference, what is free what looks being on its own
now the idea which say that if something is true then everything is known, is a lie too
when what exist is free then any is totally else from even another same mean
so life is a lie always, and levels are infinites different standards ...
with edges to point, which is what I guess now is about
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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: absols]
#19245929 - 12/08/13 04:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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the will of evil is to exist separate superiority of else not other if then you see back from positive negation to superior fact
this shows your means to exist as an source of positive negativity of evil source exhibits freedom of conditioned truth fact of view toward self and all
your obviously trying to be as you are in that you are as you aren't if then you see by your own that you see to be and seek to exist as a enterprise of subjective wills... shapes platitude of responded means to existence of being without apposed to within, which then is of objective superiority source the of inherentnessless towards one and all projective means to a positive free source time and bounds self incrimination supports truth of responsiveness through subjective wills exhibit in seeing as, also, then and no.
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