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All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because....
    #19199517 - 11/28/13 06:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

oneness is onanism - the Church calls Eastern Meditation autoerotic selfish fixation... and it's true because in twoness it's actual erotic and (ideally) selfless fixation on the other... which just sounds like more fun... if you don't wear it out... btw you can wear out your meditation too... so don't laugh


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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: eve69]
    #19199593 - 11/28/13 07:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

the real I doesn't prefer, it knows ?:-)

no doubt if doing the right thing, but if doing the wrong thing there will be doubt

oneness is without suffering

with twoness we have to suffer a bit (thoughts), life isn't easy :-)

choice

it is possible to be happy with either, I chose the middleway in most things

no need to become a buddhist munk in this life, maybe in next life :wink:
it can be freeing to just once notice that all is one, and try to better oneself from that

nobody is able to do it completely..

what I realized the most from it is that the heart gives, the mind constantly wants

eckhart tolle says it well too "I am not my painbody" , not my thoughts,emotions,desires

I can chose my own suffering, no suffering without thoughts

peace :-)


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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: eve69]
    #19199747 - 11/28/13 08:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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eve69 said:
oneness is onanism - the Church calls Eastern Meditation autoerotic selfish fixation...



Actually, the Christian "Holy Trinity" is a pretty mystical notion.  Three things that are actually one thing. 

As with many mystical insights, Philosophical Daoism came up with the idea long, long before Jesus and the other players entered the scene.  Daoists refer to the "10,000 things" that flow from the same source as the one thing, with each thing retaining its individual identity.

The Many that are also One.


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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: all this beauty]
    #19201907 - 11/28/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I dont understand this thread.


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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: Deviate] * 2
    #19202192 - 11/28/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I prefer zeroness.  Less complicated overall.


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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: deCypher]
    #19203170 - 11/28/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Nondualism ftw!


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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: eve69]
    #19206713 - 11/29/13 10:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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oneness is onanism - the Church calls Eastern Meditation autoerotic selfish fixation... and it's true because in twoness it's actual erotic and (ideally) selfless fixation on the other... which just sounds like more fun... if you don't wear it out... btw you can wear out your meditation too... so don't laugh




Oneness is the same as universalism imo, which is just putting yourself in another's position.


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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: teknix]
    #19207520 - 11/30/13 06:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

exactly
like walking in someone else's shoes
other shoes - pointless callouses
keep to your shoes
but go shrimping elsewhere

why must i walk a mile in your shoes
if im shrimping your toes?


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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: eve69]
    #19207537 - 11/30/13 06:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Good point eve


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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: teknix]
    #19211433 - 12/01/13 07:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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teknix said:
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eve69 said:
oneness is onanism - the Church calls Eastern Meditation autoerotic selfish fixation... and it's true because in twoness it's actual erotic and (ideally) selfless fixation on the other... which just sounds like more fun... if you don't wear it out... btw you can wear out your meditation too... so don't laugh




Oneness is the same as universalism imo, which is just putting yourself in another's position.




Two can be as bad as One.



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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: eve69]
    #19211586 - 12/01/13 09:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Why not focus on what is the truth, instead of how we call which ideology?


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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: cbub]
    #19211708 - 12/01/13 09:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Why not focus on what is the truth, instead of how we call which ideology?




exactly ! it shows how all and any is for business so the smart ones jump to be by their ends, definition of their stores for shopping needs of truth rests ..

they kill the truth first, otherwise they cant mean it

we are really in worse.. they will try to pretend it is funny but .. for business only .. all lies and powers force to handle there for worse death

but I can give you the truth of two.. it is about individual superior free entity being out of free superiority and individual free superior entity being out of superior freedom .. which confirm that existence is to individuals rights out of objective free realities values ..


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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: eve69]
    #19216978 - 12/02/13 12:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Existence will always bring dualism with it.
Once you figured out a dualism as a 'one', you will see that this 'one' is part of a larger dualism and so forth...
As far as I see, at least.


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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #19216982 - 12/02/13 12:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

"love and marriage love and marriage go together like a horse and carriage" :yinyang2:

"this I tell you brooother, you can't have one without the oooother"


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"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: Sse]
    #19217185 - 12/02/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)



Mooji ♥ Duality is Not a Mistake ◦ Living Peace & Stillness


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"Springs of water welling from the fire"

"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
-Thich Nhat Hanh
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"Experience always goes beyond ideas"


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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: Sse]
    #19217285 - 12/02/13 01:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:heart: :thumbup: :smirk: :sun:


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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #19217512 - 12/02/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Existence will always bring dualism with it.
Once you figured out a dualism as a 'one', you will see that this 'one' is part of a larger dualism and so forth...
As far as I see, at least.




dualism is opportunism of conditions powers, what is to conditions is by definition not true, and objective existence of what is not true take forms of opposite sense

like also because powerful positions on others beings is by definition not true superiority, the sense of superiority is only through worse aggressions on others beings for any real reaction that would give that sense

marriage or love..are worse when they are meaning to take conditions too seriously as the true existence fact, which is the reason of dualism on the individual level, for the absence of recognition that there is something else

it is impossible to stay objectively constant unless it is real in truth, only when the present is effectively being that free sense move out in true linear ways


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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: absols]
    #19217552 - 12/02/13 02:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)


moo-ji?



MOO _JEEEE????


Oh no MOO -GEEE!!!!


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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: absols] * 1
    #19217995 - 12/02/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry man, I maybe only understand about 5% of what you want to say... and that's not enough to make some sense about it.
Please bring it down to some less points.

Let me try anyhow
"what is to conditions is by definition not true"
Everything what exists, exists by condition and existence is true.

"for the absence of recognition that there is something else"
Yes, the absence of something existing is the principle of dualism.

"it is impossible to stay objectively constant unless it is real in truth"
Everything existing is real in truth, that's why people are so keen on inventing shit and bring it into existence.


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Re: All this talk of oneness I prefer twoness... because.... [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #19222245 - 12/03/13 01:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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BlueCoyote said:
Sorry man, I maybe only understand about 5% of what you want to say... and that's not enough to make some sense about it.
Please bring it down to some less points.

Let me try anyhow
"what is to conditions is by definition not true"
Everything what exists, exists by condition and existence is true.

"for the absence of recognition that there is something else"
Yes, the absence of something existing is the principle of dualism.

"it is impossible to stay objectively constant unless it is real in truth"
Everything existing is real in truth, that's why people are so keen on inventing shit and bring it into existence.




look, you are desperately willing to justify evil as not being, in thinking being smart by saying that existence is anyway true ..

NO

what is to condition is by definition NOT TRUE

what is done before for now, is clearly stating that now do not exist .. truth is elsewhere that only who are relatively true act out of all as being present
what is present cannot be but always free, that is how true reality or reality as there cant be false reality, it would be life so not reality .. so that is how reality is always what is objectively free constant thing of plural different ends and beings

and no again, for your second stance, meaning to deform my propos.. on the contrary the absence of something existing would be only one .. the will to abuse the presence of else, by forcing any confusion with or force it to be a thing to manipulate for powers on existence being fact.. , is the reason of dualism at the oneness wills that are not true

like creating the paradoxe and thinking that they can handle it for the veracity of powers over truth

keeping lying in saying that there is nothing while doing what is existing known as a thing forced.. cant be a source of someone as a creator of anything

when you reject what you know existing then you cannot ever exist.. so you are never one anyway ...but as we say one same will forced life by killing any other will, but not on their own ... you are totally insane and keep killing more for pretending existing

that is how dualism is the edges of what you are, so truth conceived it in freedoms ways ..

but actually you are anything there reversed that you would invent how you are being superior and to many other things you must invent ... and you cant stay steady on one thing to do because you cant you are not true ...

and for the third one, it is crap ..

everything is not existing ... truth only exist, so what is a plus, so what is free ... only reality can look as a thing but not the things you see, also reality of different plus positive communications ways to freedom of all and any still out..


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