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Chicago Seeks E-Cigarette Ban in Public Places
    #19199408 - 11/28/13 05:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

http://gma.yahoo.com/chicago-seeks-e-cigarette-ban-public-places-202438699--abc-news-topstories.html
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Chicago's City Council will be asked today to consider a proposal to prohibit the use of battery-operated smoking devices anywhere that the use of cigarettes and other tobacco products are already forbidden, according to Chicago Health Commissioner Dr. Bechara Choucair.

The ban is championed by Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel as well as several other local elected officials and numerous public health groups. The proposal will be studied by a Council subcommittee and then put up for a vote in December.

The proposed ban would amend an existing ordinance regulating tobacco use in public spaces, Choucair said. If passed, it would go into effect some time in January 2014. A prohibition on the sale of flavored tobacco products within 500 feet of schools would also go into effect within 6 months of passage.

Recommended: 5 Things You Need to Know About E-Cigarettes

Choucair said the ban aims to protect children from any tobacco use, including electronic cigarettes, which contain nicotine and other chemicals. E-cigarettes come in flavors such as cotton candy, gummy bear and dozens of other flavors and colors designed to appeal to children, he said.

A Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study found nearly 1.8 million young people had tried e-cigarettes and that the number of e-smokers among U.S. middle and high school students doubled between 2011 and 2012. Choucair said this increase is alarming considering the products have only been available for a short time.

"Currently it's legal for a 14-year-old kid to walk into any store and buy these things, no questions asked," he said. "We think that's wrong and we want to change it."

The Chicago ban would make it illegal to sell e-cigarettes to minors within city limits. Retailers would also be required to apply for a sales license to sell e-smoke products and they could only be sold from behind the counter, the same as other tobacco products, Choucair said.

Recommended: Once A Novelty, E-Cigarettes Now Mainstream

Erika Sward, vice president of the American Lung Association, said she applauds the proposed ban.

"The Lung Association wants to make sure public health is protected and we believe this is an important step to continuing that," Sward said.

Beyond her concern that e-cigarettes could serve as a gateway to other tobacco use, Sward said that some of the initial studies looking at the dangers of second-hand e-vapors are troubling.

"We certainly believe we have come a long way in protecting people from the dangers of cigarette smoke in public places," she said. "We don't want to have people now exposed to e-cigarette second-hand emissions until we know more about them."

Surprisingly, Thomas Kiklas, co-owner of e-cigarette maker inLife and co-founder of the Tobacco Vapor Electronic Cigarette Association, said the ban is logical and he supports it.

"The FDA says they are to be regulated as tobacco products and as such, any tobacco regulations should also apply to e-cigarettes at this point in time," Kiklas said, referring to a 2011 federal court decision that gives the Food and Drug Administration the authority to regulate e-smokes under existing tobacco laws rather than as a medication or medical device.

The agency has hinted it could begin regulating e-smokes as soon as this year. The only action the FDA has taken to date regarding e-cigarettes is issuing a letter in 2010 to distributors warning them to cease making various unsubstantiated marketing claims. Kiklas said the majority of companies follow the marketing guidelines.

Sward said she hoped the Chicago ban on e-smoking in public places would spur other cities to consider similar legislation.

Boston already has a ban on e-smoking in the workplace, she said. Amtrak bans the use of the devices on trains, and the Federal Aviation Administration prohibits them on flights.

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E-cigarette devices work much like a miniature version of the smoke machines that operate behind rock bands. When you "vape" -- that's the term for puffing on an e-cig -- a heating element boils the e-liquid until it produces a vapor. There is no conclusive evidence either way regarding the safety of the habit.

The Tobacco Vapor Electronic Cigarette Association estimates about 4 million Americans now use battery-powered cigarettes. They project sales of the devices to cross the 1 billion mark by the end of this year.

Choucair said he expects the proposed ban to pass. It is part of a larger initiative to reduce tobacco use in the city that includes increasing the cigarette sales tax and a citywide anti-smoking ad campaign.




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Re: Chicago Seeks E-Cigarette Ban in Public Places [Re: cycline] * 6
    #19199516 - 11/28/13 06:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Fucking nazis.


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Re: Chicago Seeks E-Cigarette Ban in Public Places [Re: Constantine]
    #19199536 - 11/28/13 06:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

one thing wrong with that article....a 14 year old can NOT buy e ciggs or the refills. at least not in any state i've been to lately.
you need to be 18 or in some places, 21 to buy ANY tobacco product.


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Re: Chicago Seeks E-Cigarette Ban in Public Places [Re: istandalone]
    #19199584 - 11/28/13 07:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

An e-cig isn't a tobacco product....at least under many state laws. 



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Re: Chicago Seeks E-Cigarette Ban in Public Places [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #19199728 - 11/28/13 08:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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cotton candy, gummy bear and dozens of other flavors and colors designed to appeal to children, he said.




Why do they always think this shit targets children, they must think adults want flavors like month-old fish, used diaper, and stale beer.

Nazi shit no kidding :death:


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Re: Chicago Seeks E-Cigarette Ban in Public Places [Re: tealeaf]
    #19200108 - 11/28/13 10:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

We get a little bit of freedom back and they rip it away.
I wonder how long till this catches on ?


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Re: Chicago Seeks E-Cigarette Ban in Public Places [Re: tealeaf]
    #19200134 - 11/28/13 10:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Who says only kids like different flavors? Hell, I'm vaping Gummi Bear right now, and I'm in my 30s!


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Re: Chicago Seeks E-Cigarette Ban in Public Places [Re: Enlil]
    #19200161 - 11/28/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Enlil said:
An e-cig isn't a tobacco product....at least under many state laws. 






This is correct.
Last I read only about half the states had some e-cig regulations concerning age.

It tends to be a self regulating industry as far as reputable retailers go.


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Re: Chicago Seeks E-Cigarette Ban in Public Places [Re: OgreLokon]
    #19200177 - 11/28/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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OgreLokon said:
Who says only kids like different flavors? Hell, I'm vaping Gummi Bear right now, and I'm in my 30s!






Chicago Health Commissioner Dr. Bechara Choucair, that's who, and everyone else that is trying to "save the children".
In those situations the best thing to do is email, or contact them on their twitter feed https://twitter.com/choucair and politely explain how ex smoking don't want to vape something that tastes like a cigarette.


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Re: Chicago Seeks E-Cigarette Ban in Public Places [Re: 4runner]
    #19200325 - 11/28/13 11:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I can understand a ban indoors....I guess. But...I thought the whole point of the e cig was so people could get their fix in public?


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Re: Chicago Seeks E-Cigarette Ban in Public Places [Re: Shining Cosmos]
    #19200404 - 11/28/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The reason I started using e-cigs was not to vape anywhere but rather stop smoking cigs for health reasons.
I think people that vape should be just as considerate as those with cigarettes. While it's not the same I don't really want marlboro smoke blowing over me nor do i want to smell the blueberry waffle crunch vapor wafting by me either.

It's a transitional time. Yes it's a bit silly.

what can ya do, only try and educate I guess :shrug:


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Re: Chicago Seeks E-Cigarette Ban in Public Places [Re: 4runner]
    #19200519 - 11/28/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Is there even a sign for this stuff? I mean one could argue that the no smoking signs in an area apply, or don't apply to e-cigs.

Kudos to anyone who switched from regular smokes to e-cigs. Not sure if they're better / worse for you, but they certainly stink less for teh rest of us :biggrin:

As for banning, I'd definitely ban the active promotion of tobacco products in general, as they're proven to be VERY addictive. If regular smokes can't be pushed and advertised, then IMO e-cigs shouldn't be pushed either. And if they make an injectable, snortable or eye-droppable form of nicotine, it should apply to that as well.


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Re: Chicago Seeks E-Cigarette Ban in Public Places [Re: Spacerific]
    #19200738 - 11/28/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Is there even a sign for this stuff? I mean one could argue that the no smoking signs in an area apply, or don't apply to e-cigs.




Not that I have seen. The problem comes from people thinking they have an e-cig/personal vaporizer and puff with immunity and a vibe of douchiness like those that drive hybrid cars like they are saving the world.

I don't mind sensible regulations.

What I do mind is big pharma and tobacco money trying to demonize them and in a way that regulates them either in a prescription type scenario, or raising some kind of "standards" that only Phillip Morris and R.J. Reynolds can afford to produce them. Of course, as mentioned earlier the problem with people thinking candy and dessert flavors are made for kids, when in fact, ex smokers getting there taste buds and smell back enjoy these flavors.


Oh as far as the advertising, yeah I don't see a problem with stopping that. You can find the info online and enough people know about them so.. I don't see a harm in that.

Now, if we can just stop the advertising for prescription drugs as well, that would be grand.

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In the last five years, 544 suicides and 1,869 attempted suicides have been reported to the FDA as “adverse events” in connection with Chantix, according to documents obtained by America Tonight under the Freedom of Information Act.

http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/america-tonight/america-tonight-blog/2013/11/21/fda-anti-smokingdrugchantixlinkedtomorethan500suicides.html





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Re: Chicago Seeks E-Cigarette Ban in Public Places [Re: 4runner]
    #19200775 - 11/28/13 01:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Personally I find e-cigs almost as retarded as regular smokes, so at the very least think they shouldn't be advertised.

For instance at the mall close to where I live, there's this counter with a big fucking sign about e-cigs, placed right at the end of an escalator. This is next to a cafe where a bunch of high schoolers go after class. I find this crap completely vulgar. Whoever approved that e-cig stand there had no fucking idea what they were doing, nor gave a shit about anybody's health nor the design of the mall that employed them.


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Re: Chicago Seeks E-Cigarette Ban in Public Places [Re: Spacerific]
    #19200819 - 11/28/13 01:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Now that's silly :lol:

Of course seeing your views on the subject, I see where you are coming from.
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Re: Chicago Seeks E-Cigarette Ban in Public Places [Re: 4runner] * 1
    #19200832 - 11/28/13 01:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

meh. I figured this was going to happen eventually. I've enjoyed vaping at work while it lasted.


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Re: Chicago Seeks E-Cigarette Ban in Public Places [Re: morrowasted]
    #19200928 - 11/28/13 01:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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meh. I figured this was going to happen eventually. I've enjoyed vaping at work while it lasted.




Yeah, I work for the State of Oregon and I can't even use one anywhere on the property, which is fun, since I work winter months. Oh well, at least rain and snow don't put em out like it does a cig.


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Re: Chicago Seeks E-Cigarette Ban in Public Places [Re: 4runner]
    #19200947 - 11/28/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

There's probably something to be said against banning in general, as a form of shaping people's behavior.

Blowing weird odors in other people's faces, vaping in crowded areas? Not cool.

Vaping at work if one works alone in an office, or generally where nobody else is bothered at all, that's a bit extreme.


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Re: Chicago Seeks E-Cigarette Ban in Public Places [Re: Spacerific]
    #19202880 - 11/28/13 10:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't give a shit, I'll still vape my e-cig at work even if they ban 'em.  My boss vapes too, so I doubt he'll even care.  :smirk:


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