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Crystal G



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Thinking About Becoming a Private Investigator
#19199112 - 11/28/13 01:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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So I currently work in an industry where a lot of agents or consumers or corporations in my industry would use private investigators to determine fraud and things of that nature. I thought it would be a good thing due to my experience in this work field and background in political science to add private investigative services as a 2nd job.
I'm reading here, that I am going to need 3 years, or 6,000 total hours of compensated experience in investigative work: http://www.bsis.ca.gov/forms_pubs/pi_fact.shtml
The problem is, the only thing I can think of is police or military. I don't want to sign my life away to the military, and I don't want to apply for the police. I don't have any criminal record, but I'm sort of afraid they will give me a lie detector test on me and find out all the drug crimes I have done in the past. Everything could come crashing down if they do this, so I don't even way to try personally.
I know that I could easily volunteer for one particular police department, and volunteers or "reserve officers" would not be subjected to lie detector tests. However, the application clearly states that it must be COMPENSATED work so that leaves that out of the question.
What are some other ways I can have paid investigative work that would count towards this application, without applying for a police or military academy?
According to this form, these are the following types of work that are NOT credited as investigative work: http://www.bsis.ca.gov/forms_pubs/pi_app.pdf
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The following activities WILL NOT be accepted as qualifying experience: 1. Experience gained as an independent contractor. 2. The serving of legal process or other documents. 3. Activities relating to the search for heirs or similar searches which involve only a search of public records or other reference sources in the public domain. 4. The transportation or custodial attendance of persons in the physical custody of a law enforcement agency. 5. The provision of bailiff or other security services to a court of law. 6. The collection or attempted collection of debts by telephone or written solicitation after the debtor has been located. 7. The repossession or attempted repossession of personal property after that property has been located and identified.
So I guess the only other thing I can think of is being a repo guy or debt collector that hunts down people who have warrants or are escaping debts. What other jobs are options?
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Re: Thinking About Becoming a Private Investigator [Re: Crystal G]
#19199573 - 11/28/13 07:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's a tough racket to break into unless you're an ex-cop. There are "schools" that show you the ropes, and they usually have placement services to help you get a gig...still it's going to take a long time to get your 6000 hours part time.
Also, from my experience with investigators, they are pretty underpaid and work long, boring hours.
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Re: Thinking About Becoming a Private Investigator [Re: Enlil] 5
#19200864 - 11/28/13 01:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I cant believe people still think Crystal G is a real person, LoL
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Re: Thinking About Becoming a Private Investigator [Re: Enlil]
#19200979 - 11/28/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: It's a tough racket to break into unless you're an ex-cop. There are "schools" that show you the ropes, and they usually have placement services to help you get a gig...still it's going to take a long time to get your 6000 hours part time.
Also, from my experience with investigators, they are pretty underpaid and work long, boring hours.
Yea that's what I've been finding too. All the "investigator" jobs are also for ex-cops. GAY. And they get only paid like $20 an hour, wtf? I always thought they got paid bank but I must be thinking about the amount that people pay to the actual agency.
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Re: Thinking About Becoming a Private Investigator [Re: Crystal G]
#19201066 - 11/28/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have decided it would be much better and more pertinent to my career if I became a market analyst, instead of investigator. Thanks anyway. IDK why but I just thought it would be fun to be a professional stalker. But I guess I could do that as my hobby anyway.
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Re: Thinking About Becoming a Private Investigator [Re: Crystal G]
#19213485 - 12/01/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cool Narrative what grade did you get in freshman english?
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Re: Thinking About Becoming a Private Investigator [Re: 2859558484] 5
#19213572 - 12/01/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Someone with your capitalisation and punctuation skills should probably not be criticizing other people's English skills.
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Re: Thinking About Becoming a Private Investigator [Re: Crystal G]
#19214493 - 12/01/13 08:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Funny you should post this.
About two months ago, my daughter best friend ( she is about 20 years old) her father committed suicide.
He was a private investigator whose job is was to work on commercial fraud.
The police found this guy out parked on a back road where he had his head blown off my what appears a self inflicted head wound.
Police see it as suicide.
Family is convinced it was murder.
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Re: Thinking About Becoming a Private Investigator [Re: Vitalux]
#19214505 - 12/01/13 08:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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People have a hard time accepting a family member's suicide. It's very common for them to suspect foul play.
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Re: Thinking About Becoming a Private Investigator [Re: Enlil]
#19239097 - 12/06/13 11:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Enlil said: People have a hard time accepting a family member's suicide. It's very common for them to suspect foul play.
Statistically, is it common for people to commit suicide parked in a car on a dirt road though? I always thought the bedroom, bathtub, or garage were the most common places to commit suicide? I just find the place his body was found to be very... eccentric.
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Enlil said: Someone with your capitalisation and punctuation skills should probably not be criticizing other people's English skills.
LOL!!!! I have no idea what he found wrong with my (casual form) English.
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Re: Thinking About Becoming a Private Investigator [Re: Crystal G]
#19239700 - 12/07/13 06:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Statistics have a purpose, but they aren't very valuable as a predictor of any single outcome or analyzing a single past event. People go out to the boonies and shoot themselves all the time. A good portion of suicides are done away from the home when the victim has a family and doesn't want them to find him/her.
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Re: Thinking About Becoming a Private Investigator [Re: Enlil]
#19240664 - 12/07/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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yup I live out in the country and I can think of several suicides where people drove out onto a country road / off the road to do it. one of my best friends hung himself in the woods in high school.
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Re: Thinking About Becoming a Private Investigator [Re: D.M.T]
#19240725 - 12/07/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why would anyone take time out of their own lives to watch other people live theirs? You really wanna invade peoples privacy like that for the sake of making a living? You couldn't pay me enough to sit outside someones work or home, for hours on end, spying for some insecure spouse... or whatever purpose some asshole thinks is necessary. stupid idea.
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Re: Thinking About Becoming a Private Investigator [Re: sprinkles]
#19240800 - 12/07/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is that all you think investigators do? What a sad, ignorant, little world you must live in.
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Re: Thinking About Becoming a Private Investigator [Re: Enlil]
#19240843 - 12/07/13 01:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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my bad.. I didn't read the entire post. I believe everyone has a right to privacy no matter who they are. I can see it being useful in insurance fraud, but thats about it.
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Re: Thinking About Becoming a Private Investigator [Re: sprinkles]
#19242173 - 12/07/13 06:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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sprinkles said: Why would anyone take time out of their own lives to watch other people live theirs? You really wanna invade peoples privacy like that for the sake of making a living? You couldn't pay me enough to sit outside someones work or home, for hours on end, spying for some insecure spouse... or whatever purpose some asshole thinks is necessary. stupid idea.
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PI's are used to investigate fires or arson, insurance fraud, disability fraud, the government even uses welfare investigators to catch people who abuse welfare and commit fraud, the IRS uses them to investigate people who are committing market fraud, corporations hire them for a variety of reasons, the police often use private investigators when they don't have enough man power or are too overworked to spend time following one sole person, and they are also used by attorneys to help find evidence for a legal team.
You must be watching too much of the show Cheaters. Spying on spouses is actually a very small fraction of investigative work (most people cannot afford private investigation services just because they suspect their partner of cheating, and will find other methods to find out whether their partner is cheating or not, such as snooping through phone records), and even in the cases they hire investigators to spy on spouses, they are often doing it for the purpose of divorce proceedings.
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Re: Thinking About Becoming a Private Investigator [Re: Enlil]
#19259271 - 12/11/13 09:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Enlil said: People have a hard time accepting a family member's suicide. It's very common for them to suspect foul play.
True
My thoughts were that ....one should really think about what occupation in the long run will make them happy.
Often the information that private investigators collect could completely ruin peoples lives. If they are collecting information on criminal activities, those same criminals could simply kill the investigator.
Plus, in some ways, ....a lot of people in society see a private investigator as a kind of filthy, lower than a snakes belly rat.
I recall some years back I was at a party and this guy who was drinking started bragging about how he was a private investigator and he would catch people that were faking disability insurance claims.
Turns out someone at the party had been denied his insurance money due to being spied on by a private investigator. So the guy jumped up beat the guy that was bragging. It was so ugly. At one point the investigator was on the ground holding his groin ( due to being kicked in the nuts) and the other guy kicked him so hard in the face that all his front teeth were kicked completely out of his face. The guy was spitting his teeth out.
Then the guy kept kicking the guy in the head over and over again until the guy was totally unconscious.
Than at the end, to add final insult to the beaten cocksucker on the ground, the guy who beat him up, pulled out his cock and pissed all over the guy as he lay there unconscious.
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Re: Thinking About Becoming a Private Investigator [Re: Vitalux]
#19259364 - 12/11/13 09:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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My father was followed by PIs in vans and helicopters for years because of his disability claim.
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sloantbone said: Plus, in some ways, ....a lot of people in society see a private investigator as a kind of filthy, lower than a snakes belly rat.
There are good and bad in every profession, though. As I recall, you seem to share the same opinion about lawyers.
The funniest part about your story is that the guy was obviously trying to defraud the insurance company. How disabled could he be if he has the ability to kick some ass like that?
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Re: Thinking About Becoming a Private Investigator [Re: Vitalux]
#19263864 - 12/12/13 12:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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sloantbone said:
Plus, in some ways, ....a lot of people in society see a private investigator as a kind of filthy, lower than a snakes belly rat.
No they don't? Private investigators where I come from have more social status than high school teachers or police officers.
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Re: Thinking About Becoming a Private Investigator [Re: Crystal G]
#19265167 - 12/12/13 10:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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not everyone comes from where you say you come from dude
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