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So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving?
#19198942 - 11/28/13 12:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok so as a lot of you may know (hopefully you Americans at least) Thanksgiving is tomorrow. I've always thought of Thanksgiving as a great holiday to come together to see family, enjoy a good meal together, and fall asleep on the couch in a food coma surrounded by loved ones watching football.
But I have to say I found myself thinking about the history behind Thanksgiving-the pilgrims feast with the Native Americans etc. I'm not too great with my colonial history so correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the pilgrims end up screwing over the Native Americans...you know like killing a bunch of them, robbing their graves etc.?? I did a little internet research and from what I found I'm still not sure if this is just a conspiracy theory, a legitimate theory, or a definite fact, so I'd love it if someone would point me in the right direction.
But the real point of my post lies here. Say the pilgrims did end up doing these horrible things later on, does that mean Thanksgiving is an illegitimate holiday? I'm not sure exactly where I side but I tend to think that Thanksgiving can still be a good thing if we don't get caught up too much in the history and just enjoy the metaphor of giving and being thankful for what we have in this crazy life.
Anyway happy Thanksgiving to all my fellow 'muricans out there! Stuff your faces and please, please don't get sucked into the corporate trap that is black friday...but hopefully that goes without saying at a great place like the shroomery am I right?
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: neuroshaman]
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: TrentBoyett] 3
#19198964 - 11/28/13 12:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jeez happy thanksgiving to you too
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: neuroshaman]
#19198970 - 11/28/13 12:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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...also you said "didn't the pilgrims end up screwing over the pilgrims..."
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: neuroshaman]
#19198971 - 11/28/13 12:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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We won. All right? We came in and we killed them and we took their land. That's what conquering nations do. It's what Caesar did, and he didn't go around saying, "I came, I conquered, I felt really bad about it." The history of the world isn't people making friends. We had better weapons, and we massacred them. End of story.
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: abltsandwich]
#19198975 - 11/28/13 12:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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So we shouldnt thank the natives and maybe give some land back?
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: abltsandwich]
#19198976 - 11/28/13 12:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hmm...I can honestly say I've never thought it that way and I'm not sure why because it's perfectly true, very Hobbesian. But then again, isn't killing all the Indians a necessary evil and not necessarily the type of stuff that's used to make a holiday?
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: TrentBoyett]
#19198980 - 11/28/13 12:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ah, thanks piggy it is fixed
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: abltsandwich] 4
#19198986 - 11/28/13 12:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: neuroshaman]
#19199002 - 11/28/13 12:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The whole Pilgrim vs Indian thing isn't so black and white. Neither was the whole slavery thing.
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: Johnny Depp]
#19199003 - 11/28/13 12:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am most definitely not one of those types, I love that I don't have to worry about dying each time I get strep throat. By the way Johnny, love your movies! I recently saw the Rum Diaries and really enjoyed it (heheh for those of you who cannot seem to take a joke: no I am, in fact, not actually that stupid)
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: Johnny Depp]
#19199008 - 11/28/13 12:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Johnny Depp said: Well we won AND, we made it better. I mean, unless you're one of those types that's pines for the "good ole days" when people scratched out an existence and died of things like bacterial infection, parasites, exposure, starvation, and childbirth. Oh btw- I'm thankful for modern medicine. Happy Turkeyday!
The native americans weren't dying of those thngs in mass numbers until the white men came here...
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: neuroshaman] 2
#19199012 - 11/28/13 12:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Most major American holidays are kind of fucked up. Either historically or by the customs we perform.
Halloween is fucking whack, you dress little kids up to look like little walking nightmares and send them off to run around in the streets and ask strangers for candy.... 
Christmas is a greedy mess centered around money
Easter is about worshiping a fucking zombie
fourth of July celebrates the war that killed more American's than any other in history
thanksgiving celebrates the native American genocide
Fuck it, get drunk and eat food.
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: neuroshaman]
#19199014 - 11/28/13 12:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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One of those types? Wtf. Get real u fuckin greed driven assholes. We made it better for usand over populated and made a fuckin wreck of the land..we also gave birth to greed which led to so many fucked up crimes. In no case is stealing land and killing innocent people ok. They were here first.
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: berdinwall] 2
#19199035 - 11/28/13 01:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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berdinwall said: One of those types? Wtf. Get real u fuckin greed driven assholes. We made it better for usand over populated and made a fuckin wreck of the land..we also gave birth to greed which led to so many fucked up crimes. In no case is stealing land and killing innocent people ok. They were here first.
You can't argue as to whether it made things better or worse because you aren't some fucking omnipotent being. So it's a pointless argument.
Honestly, I would love america so much if there was a fraction of the amount of people and especially if most the gold and precious gems/minerals had not already been prospected. That's my game but it's slim pickings since people have been mining the land for hundreds of years.
But on the other side, if we hadn't come in here and stolen all this land, I probably wouldn't exist and neither would you.
So fuck it, be thankful for something and get over the past... that you didn't live in.... or have any part in.... or have any reason to bitch or argue about....
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: berdinwall]
#19199043 - 11/28/13 01:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Calm down there big guy. By saying I'm not one of those types I just meant I'm not the type that thinks we should live in huts and that modern medicine is bad. I'm still on the fence here. But consider this-the world revolves around changing of power. Yeah we fucked over the Native Americans. But I'm sure plenty of Native American tribes fucked over one another during their time. The truth I'm getting behind all of this is the fact that we have to be realistic here. I'm definitely not saying I'm happy about this or want it to be this way, but it has become a fact that violence is a part of human nature in their struggle for power.
A lot of people out there can't live peacefully and be happy with what we have without wanting more for themselves. Sadly that's just the way it is. Until maybe everyone in the world gets dosed with a whopping thumbprint...that'd be the day
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: neuroshaman]
#19199079 - 11/28/13 01:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well yeah of course its over n im not saying this holiday should be discontinued.its a good practice to be thankful. Some ppl in here just came across as completely ungrateful and actually almost on some unjustified power trip shit. U 2 cleared your stance up though Im with you for the most part
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: berdinwall]
#19199087 - 11/28/13 01:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeaaa the meaning and origin behind Thanksgiving are pretty twisted...but disregarding that, the way I see it, its a time to eat dinner with close family and chill, doesn't seem all that bad. Kinda boring to be honest, I don't make that big a deal out of it. Its more or less an obligation for me to attend but its not a terrible one
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: ganjfather]
#19199137 - 11/28/13 02:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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ganjfather said: Most major American holidays are kind of fucked up. Either historically or by the customs we perform.
Halloween is fucking whack, you dress little kids up to look like little walking nightmares and send them off to run around in the streets and ask strangers for candy.... 
Christmas is a greedy mess centered around money
Easter is about worshiping a fucking zombie
fourth of July celebrates the war that killed more American's than any other in history
thanksgiving celebrates the native American genocide
Fuck it, get drunk and eat food.
good post.
its all in how you look at it.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19198388
honestly i think the point is trying to better our selfs and be grateful for what we have and to spread the love like almost all holidays.
even if the government prays on it to suck what they can out of us.
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: neuroshaman]
#19199182 - 11/28/13 02:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanksgiving is cool. A good day to give thanks on stuff in yo life.
Peace.
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: neuroshaman]
#19199228 - 11/28/13 03:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm 50% native American and I find your ignorance racist
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: fee]
#19199233 - 11/28/13 03:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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fee said: I'm 50% native American and I find your ignorance racist 
i thought you were like 5% NA.
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
#19199245 - 11/28/13 03:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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No 50%, my dad was full blood
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] 1
#19199249 - 11/28/13 03:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've got no beef with the holiday itself. I love the idea of any excuse to drink and gorge myself with friends and family. edit: and yeah blah blah blah the great injustices done to the people who were already here before Europeans decimated their population. I am in no way disputing that. I just think if you forget the bogus history lesson about the pilgrams and NAs all coming together happily ever after and just focus on enjoying the company of your loved ones, then it's actually not bad at all.
Personally the holiday season drives me fucking bonkers, though. I went to the grocery store over the weekend and damn near had a panic attack because of the holiday rush, forget any sort of mall(I hate those, anyway, for some bizarre reason).
The closer we get to Christmas the more vicious, greedy and commercially driven people seem to get, it really freaks me out.
It's probably also a manifestation of that mild anxiety problem I sometimes have .
But seriously, New Years Eve is where it's at, for me.
Edited by pirate-blues (11/28/13 03:22 AM)
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#19199255 - 11/28/13 03:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I get seriously upset when a person of a certain race gets butthurt over some bullshit that happened to someone they never met and have never lived or went through anything that's in today's standards out if the norm.
Yeah get pissy and mad about something that may or may not happened since we all know how inaccurate and biased history is.
Go on get mad that someone that shared your skin tone was maybe a slave or a king or a tree dweller.
Fucking morons. Ahhhhhhh
This shit gets me so bitchy
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: pirate-blues]
#19199261 - 11/28/13 03:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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fee said: No 50%, my dad was full blood
oh, okay, sorry about that!

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pirate-blues said: I've got no beef with the holiday itself.
I have turkey with it, dough.
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pirate-blues said: I love the idea of any excuse to drink and gorge myself with friends and family.

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pirate-blues said: edit: and yeah blah blah blah
Yes!!!
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pirate-blues said:the great injustices done to the people who were already here before Europeans decimated their population. I am in no way disputing that. I just think if you forget the bogus history lesson about the pilgrams and NAs all coming together happily ever after and just focus on enjoying the company of your loved ones, then it's actually not bad at all.
Agreed. What's done is done. Let's move on and not do that kind of thang again!
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pirate-blues said: Personally the holiday season drives me fucking bonkers, though. I went to the grocery store over the weekend and damn near had a panic attack because of the holiday rush, forget any sort of mall(I hate those, anyway, for some bizarre reason).
The closer we get to Christmas the more vicious, greedy and commercially driven people seem to get, it really freaks me out.
It's probably also a manifestation of that mild anxiety problem I sometimes have .
You need to learn how to turn grocery shopping into a show. Laughing at things is a good way to get over anxiety.
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: neuroshaman]
#19199263 - 11/28/13 03:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
#19199437 - 11/28/13 05:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanksgiving: be thankful for what you have. Black Friday: trample over each other for consumer goods because you apparently lied yesterday.
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: Quawonk]
#19199474 - 11/28/13 06:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I had planned on sitting this Thanksgiving out and just staying home because I don't enjoy spending large amounts of time with my relatives who see me and my dad as black sheep of the family, not to mention all the shit that's happened this year, they can't wait to lecture me on all the things I'm doing wrong with my life. 
Sounds cynical but whatever, my dad won't even be there and I'd rather just go hang out with him. I really don't care for Thanksgiving. Nobodies ever really thankful for anything.
The only reason I decided to go is I have no groceries and I'm pretty hungry.
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: neuroshaman]
#19199619 - 11/28/13 07:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think it's kinda a bullshit holiday, but it's also a feasting holiday, which I love. I love getting together with my family and eating massive amounts of delicious foods. I make the most of it. Just like Christmas.
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: nicechrisman] 1
#19199682 - 11/28/13 07:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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happy all you can eat
I don't give a shit, birthdays, holidays, religion days, every day is the same to me
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: neuroshaman]
#19199703 - 11/28/13 08:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The entire holiday season for me is usually either boring or stressful.
I don't think much about what happened in the past because I'm not really celebrating anything. I'm just eating and drinking.
basically Thanksgiving = (unless I'm at my conservative christian grandmother's house in which case it is thanksgiving = )
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: ReginaldPMcpoop]
#19199772 - 11/28/13 08:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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My closest family is three thousand miles away and my closest friend is a six hour drive away.
So no Turkey or friends or family for me today
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: fee]
#19199943 - 11/28/13 09:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well happy thanksgiving anyways, you turkey
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: ganjfather]
#19200000 - 11/28/13 09:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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berdinwall said: One of those types? Wtf. Get real u fuckin greed driven assholes. We made it better for usand over populated and made a fuckin wreck of the land..we also gave birth to greed which led to so many fucked up crimes. In no case is stealing land and killing innocent people ok. They were here first.
You can't argue as to whether it made things better or worse because you aren't some fucking omnipotent being. So it's a pointless argument.
Honestly, I would love america so much if there was a fraction of the amount of people and especially if most the gold and precious gems/minerals had not already been prospected. That's my game but it's slim pickings since people have been mining the land for hundreds of years.
But on the other side, if we hadn't come in here and stolen all this land, I probably wouldn't exist and neither would you.
So fuck it, be thankful for something and get over the past... that you didn't live in.... or have any part in.... or have any reason to bitch or argue about....
Christmas was made because the church wanted people to follow their religion and pagan religions stayed popular in part due to festivals in the winter. Even the Christmas tree was of pagan origin and, in Christmas was originally in Christmas celebrations was hung upside down to represent the cross.
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: NotTheDevil]
#19200069 - 11/28/13 10:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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What the fuck is thanksgiving? I'm just preparing for black friday the greatest holiday in the world. AND GUESS WHAT! Some store are staring the sales today!
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
#19200078 - 11/28/13 10:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've always worked on Black Friday. It would be interesting to just get REALLY high and chill on a bench in a major mall and watch the shitshow with complete detachment.
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: nicechrisman]
#19200092 - 11/28/13 10:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm not scheduled to work black friday, just on call in case they need me, so I probably just won't pick up the phone, ain't dealin with that shit.
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: neuroshaman]
#19200259 - 11/28/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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neuroshaman said: Say the pilgrims did end up doing these horrible things later on, does that mean Thanksgiving is an illegitimate holiday?
No. Holiday's can't be legitimate or illegitimate. The mythological origins of Thanksgiving are effectively useless, but regardless they involve none of the horrible things you mention. Nobody associates thanksgiving with genocide except for haters or racists filled with white guilt.
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: DieCommie]
#19200294 - 11/28/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanksgiving is a good holiday, the natives weren't originally trying to kill us and we weren't trying to kill them.
The problem was land scarcity in Europe and upper class greed. The Indians were greedy too, they didn't want us here in large numbers.
We have the same problem today. All the poor people are used to fight rich people wars, but at heart we want to be happy and just want to eat food with our families.
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: DieCommie]
#19200614 - 11/28/13 12:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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neuroshaman said: Say the pilgrims did end up doing these horrible things later on, does that mean Thanksgiving is an illegitimate holiday?
No. Holiday's can't be legitimate or illegitimate. The mythological origins of Thanksgiving are effectively useless, but regardless they involve none of the horrible things you mention. Nobody associates thanksgiving with genocide except for haters or racists filled with white guilt.
I think I agree with you. We should enjoy Thanksgiving for what it is and concentrate on the good things we have. Oh, and don't get too stoned before you carve the bird...wouldn't want to lose a finger on this lovely day
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: neuroshaman]
#19200646 - 11/28/13 12:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It not even held close to the date of the first thanksgiving and also the first thanksgiving didn't even have turkey. So really we aren't even trying to celebrate what it was but we are celebrating what it is.
O yeah there where aliens there also, I dun sceenz it on the magic picture moving box
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: fee]
#19200648 - 11/28/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: nicechrisman]
#19200844 - 11/28/13 01:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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this is the first thanksgiving i'll be spending alone, by choice. i don't want to travel that's mainly why i'll be alone i could hang with some friends probably but fuck it. i just want to work out and read. not a very social person 
all I remember from the last few thanksgivings I spent with my ex and everyones families and i just got sick of the all the food and loafing around (at the time I was really motivated and didn't have shit to show for it so all the excess was kind of a mind fuck for me). I always slipped away from the crowds to smoke a bowl and play vidja games.
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: neuroshaman]
#19201020 - 11/28/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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well he shit on her chest, so why am wrong to shit on everyone of their chests, including their families? It's only fair.
On a more serious note, the natives respected the land, and would never entertain the thought of owning her. This is what makes them a superior race.
We traded the chance for lives of simplicity and satisfaction for overly long lives of needless complexity and emptiness. Go buy another bag of fries and a chain wallet to try to fill that hole. If mother nature says I shouldn't live past 30, then I'll be damned if I'm going to question her. In our quest to cheat death and fulfill our fantasy of eternal life, we have cheapened it irreparably, our lives like butter over too much bread.
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: thereallyrealgod]
#19201058 - 11/28/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sweet I'm superior to you then and now give master a BJ, and no teeth this time.
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: lazyfingers]
#19201073 - 11/28/13 02:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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lazyfingers said: Thanksgiving is a good holiday, the natives weren't originally trying to kill us and we weren't trying to kill them.
The problem was land scarcity in Europe and upper class greed. The Indians were greedy too, they didn't want us here in large numbers.
We have the same problem today. All the poor people are used to fight rich people wars, but at heart we want to be happy and just want to eat food with our families.
The pilgrims were little children about to starve and freeze to death, the indians pitied them and took mercy on them.
The Indians were greedy for what? Not desiring the raping of their land and the destruction of their values, the trashing of their sacred home?
I guess up is down, Justin Bieber is the pinnacle of artistic achievement, children in 3rd w countries are lucky to be sweat shop slaves. How's the weather in the twilight zone?
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: thereallyrealgod]
#19201086 - 11/28/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your a racist fuckwad
You sir should be banned. Calling me or my ancestors "Indians" is the same fucking thing as calling a black guy that other word that means black.
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: neuroshaman]
#19201102 - 11/28/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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neuroshaman said: Say the pilgrims did end up doing these horrible things later on, does that mean Thanksgiving is an illegitimate holiday?
No. Holiday's can't be legitimate or illegitimate. The mythological origins of Thanksgiving are effectively useless, but regardless they involve none of the horrible things you mention. Nobody associates thanksgiving with genocide except for haters or racists filled with white guilt.
I think I agree with you. We should enjoy Thanksgiving for what it is and concentrate on the good things we have. Oh, and don't get too stoned before you carve the bird...wouldn't want to lose a finger on this lovely day 
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: thereallyrealgod]
#19201139 - 11/28/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The premise of thanksgiving is kinda fucked considering it refers to rape, murder, and pillage. Instead of celebrating that folly, I take it as a day to appreciate all the wonderful blessings in my life. Word of the day: Grateful
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#19201156 - 11/28/13 02:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks giving is about being thankful for a good year's harvest but believe what you want.
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: fee]
#19201459 - 11/28/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: 404]
#19201499 - 11/28/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You fucking racist
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: fee]
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: fee]
#19201625 - 11/28/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You fucking racist

posting a graemlin is not bannable. fucking pussified culture
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: JesusIsLord]
#19201688 - 11/28/13 05:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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A family get-together is probably nice... though the tradition of bird-necropheliah seems rather strange tome...
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: JesusIsLord] 1
#19201695 - 11/28/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't give a shit, birthdays, holidays, religion days, every day is the same to me 
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You fucking racist

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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: neuroshaman]
#19201716 - 11/28/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I use thanksgiving as an opportunity to get really stoned and just chill out and be thankful for a day... plus the munchies
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: themckid]
#19201723 - 11/28/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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haha, like you need an excuse
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: spazmodog]
#19201730 - 11/28/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You fucking racist

posting a graemlin is not bannable. fucking pussified culture


no it looks pretty clear fee is all butthurt cuz that dude said indian.
or he's just being very convincingly butthurt and sarcastic.
we may never know
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: spazmodog]
#19201741 - 11/28/13 05:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Erm, for those bringing modern medicine into the argument, that is irrelevant. Natives did not start dying in large numbers till the disease was brought to their land by the Europeans.
I'm thankful for everything I have, but I do believe that humanity took a seriously wrong turn as soon as the Spanish colonization of the New World began.
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: JesusIsLord]
#19202355 - 11/28/13 07:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you read the thread you'd have known that Fee is 50% Native American, thus him making a joke saying "ban" because StateOfMind404 put the crying Native American graemlin is logical.
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Re: So what do you shroomerites think about thanksgiving? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
#19202363 - 11/28/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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