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Terrance Mckenna's Archaic Revival
#19198909 - 11/28/13 12:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm sure lots of Shroomites out there have heard this lecture but it really speaks to me and I'd like to share it and possibly discuss it This lecture covers everything from the evolution of humankind to dmt elves, The different ramifications of certain entities seen through dmt.He explains the symbiosis between early humans and psychedelics. I think it's brilliant
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Im not sure i like McKenna I found he gave very irresponsible advice, and was egotistical about dosage and seemed almost for lack of a better term uneducated, and not spiritual or open minded.. ... He did however didn't have fear of talking about dmt, witch turned psychonauts on further. Just my subjective reality from what I've experienced... One thing I'm sure of s that everyone is different. I'm positive I've read in several articles stating he worked for CIA on a few occasions~
He Kinda sounds like a noob  But I guess were all noobs all on a journey somewhere...
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Re: Terrance Mckenna's Archaic Revival [Re: Lucid Toast]
#19200124 - 11/28/13 10:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lucid Toast said: Im not sure i like McKenna I found he gave very irresponsible advice, and was egotistical about dosage and seemed almost for lack of a better term uneducated, and not spiritual or open minded.. ... He did however didn't have fear of talking about dmt, witch turned psychonauts on further. Just my subjective reality from what I've experienced... One thing I'm sure of s that everyone is different. I'm positive I've read in several articles stating he worked for CIA on a few occasions~
He Kinda sounds like a noob  But I guess were all noobs all on a journey somewhere...
All that malarkey about him working for the CIA was garbage. A lot of it stems from Jan Irvin, who also made claims that Aldous Huxley, and similar prominent figures in the psychedelic community were working for various branches of US and British intelligence agencies. Irvin claims that their objective was to turn the masses on to psychedelics as a sort of programming for society.
And if you really think he is uneducated and close-minded, than I would have to say you are the noob. Just because you read an article somewhere doesn't make it true. Maybe try listening to some of his lectures or read one of his books and see just how "uneducated" he is. I mean just look at the people he hung out with, Ralph Abraham, Rupert Sheldrake, even his brother. All very smart and "traditionally" educated people.
I think he gets a bad rap because he was too far out. He's one of those people where you either get him or you don't. And I am sorry for all those who don't.
-------------------- I live in an aura of hope because I live in a twilight world of my own self-generated, cannabinated fantasy, and I forget that not everyone is so fortunate. - Terence McKenna
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Re: Terrance Mckenna's Archaic Revival [Re: maddad]
#19200345 - 11/28/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lucid Toast said: Im not sure i like McKenna I found he gave very irresponsible advice, and was egotistical about dosage and seemed almost for lack of a better term uneducated, and not spiritual or open minded.. ... He did however didn't have fear of talking about dmt, witch turned psychonauts on further. Just my subjective reality from what I've experienced... One thing I'm sure of s that everyone is different. I'm positive I've read in several articles stating he worked for CIA on a few occasions~
He Kinda sounds like a noob  But I guess were all noobs all on a journey somewhere...
All that malarkey about him working for the CIA was garbage. A lot of it stems from Jan Irvin, who also made claims that Aldous Huxley, and similar prominent figures in the psychedelic community were working for various branches of US and British intelligence agencies. Irvin claims that their objective was to turn the masses on to psychedelics as a sort of programming for society.
And if you really think he is uneducated and close-minded, than I would have to say you are the noob. Just because you read an article somewhere doesn't make it true. Maybe try listening to some of his lectures or read one of his books and see just how "uneducated" he is. I mean just look at the people he hung out with, Ralph Abraham, Rupert Sheldrake, even his brother. All very smart and "traditionally" educated people.
I think he gets a bad rap because he was too far out. He's one of those people where you either get him or you don't. And I am sorry for all those who don't.
that jan irvin guy irks me. i feel like he's had a paranoid trip that just rubbed him the wrong way or something. i didn't understand that claims he had for aldous huxley either. i think he's just an overparanoid smart tripper who's connecting dots that shouldn't be connected. i respect him for publishing the sacred mushroom and the cross though
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Re: Terrance Mckenna's Archaic Revival [Re: Jesus Cristo]
#19200365 - 11/28/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i respect him for publishing the sacred mushroom and the cross though
That was actually John M Allegro.
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Re: Terrance Mckenna's Archaic Revival [Re: Lucid Toast]
#19200437 - 11/28/13 11:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lucid Toast said: Im not sure i like McKenna I found he gave very irresponsible advice, and was egotistical about dosage and seemed almost for lack of a better term uneducated, and not spiritual or open minded.. ... He did however didn't have fear of talking about dmt, witch turned psychonauts on further. Just my subjective reality from what I've experienced... One thing I'm sure of s that everyone is different. I'm positive I've read in several articles stating he worked for CIA on a few occasions~
He Kinda sounds like a noob  But I guess were all noobs all on a journey somewhere...
Mckenna was uneducated?  No no, he really wasn't. The guy was extremely well versed in philosophy, history, ethnobotony, theology, shamanism, language, culture, technology. We wrote books and gave extensive lectures on all of these subjects throughout his life etc etc.
He's talked about how everybody is everybody and god and "spritiual" subjects before, you probably just haven't heard any of the lectures. He was also a huge skeptic, which is why he probably wasn't as spiritual as you think he should be. The way he talked about psychedelics and those states and what they mean are the funnest talks he had IMO. Mckenna was a cool cat.
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Re: Terrance Mckenna's Archaic Revival [Re: maddad]
#19200521 - 11/28/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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maddad said: All that malarkey about him working for the CIA was garbage. A lot of it stems from Jan Irvin, who also made claims that Aldous Huxley, and similar prominent figures in the psychedelic community were working for various branches of US and British intelligence agencies. Irvin claims that their objective was to turn the masses on to psychedelics as a sort of programming for society.
And if you really think he is uneducated and close-minded, than I would have to say you are the noob. Just because you read an article somewhere doesn't make it true. Maybe try listening to some of his lectures or read one of his books and see just how "uneducated" he is. I mean just look at the people he hung out with, Ralph Abraham, Rupert Sheldrake, even his brother. All very smart and "traditionally" educated people.
I think he gets a bad rap because he was too far out. He's one of those people where you either get him or you don't. And I am sorry for all those who don't.
Very well said! I recently downloaded 88 hours of his lectures after listening to a few on youtube and reading two of his books.
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Re: Terrance Mckenna's Archaic Revival [Re: Jesus Cristo]
#19200545 - 11/28/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lucid Toast said: Im not sure i like McKenna I found he gave very irresponsible advice, and was egotistical about dosage and seemed almost for lack of a better term uneducated, and not spiritual or open minded.. ... He did however didn't have fear of talking about dmt, witch turned psychonauts on further. Just my subjective reality from what I've experienced... One thing I'm sure of s that everyone is different. I'm positive I've read in several articles stating he worked for CIA on a few occasions~
He Kinda sounds like a noob  But I guess were all noobs all on a journey somewhere...
All that malarkey about him working for the CIA was garbage. A lot of it stems from Jan Irvin, who also made claims that Aldous Huxley, and similar prominent figures in the psychedelic community were working for various branches of US and British intelligence agencies. Irvin claims that their objective was to turn the masses on to psychedelics as a sort of programming for society.
And if you really think he is uneducated and close-minded, than I would have to say you are the noob. Just because you read an article somewhere doesn't make it true. Maybe try listening to some of his lectures or read one of his books and see just how "uneducated" he is. I mean just look at the people he hung out with, Ralph Abraham, Rupert Sheldrake, even his brother. All very smart and "traditionally" educated people.
I think he gets a bad rap because he was too far out. He's one of those people where you either get him or you don't. And I am sorry for all those who don't.
that jan irvin guy irks me. i feel like he's had a paranoid trip that just rubbed him the wrong way or something. i didn't understand that claims he had for aldous huxley either. i think he's just an overparanoid smart tripper who's connecting dots that shouldn't be connected. i respect him for publishing the sacred mushroom and the cross though
Let bill lay it down
im convinced McKenna was part of the CIA, because the CIA is the UNIVERSAL INTELLIGENCE not some government conspiracy bullshit. Jan Irvin is drowning in his own arrogance and hit a spot where he stopped evolving. DONT BE LIKE HIM, TRIP MORE THAN YOU READ
I am also in the CIA, so are you. Irvin is not.
bill
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Re: Terrance Mckenna's Archaic Revival [Re: LysergicX7]
#19200615 - 11/28/13 12:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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As far as I'm concerned his primates-on-shrooms theory is completely plausible and well worth testing. Planning to move to the Netherlands or Peru over the coming years, to be able to test that lifestyle.
Certainly it does feel like we're all craving / seeking periodic state changes, and failing to drop a good psychs, we often end up with poor substitutes. Booze, cigs, TV, porn, sugar rushes, what have you. Either that or a constant sense of not being fulfilled, not being whole. If indeed we're symbiotes with the   then this would make perfect sense. So would how awesome we feel when we do get them.
Also, love his slow chill hypnotic speech patterns. Great lecture.
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Re: Terrance Mckenna's Archaic Revival [Re: maddad]
#19201003 - 11/28/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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maddad said: He's one of those people where you either get him or you don't. And I am sorry for all those who don't.
That point makes it impossible for you to consider honest criticism. A lot of what he said was spot on, especially about our current society. The stoned ape theory is quite plausible too. But then there's also stuff where you honestly have to say he was wrong. He predicted something big to happen in 2012; it didn't happen. He proposed a "theory" about a "timewave" that no one understood, not even his brother, because it's not a proper theory but a wall of nice-sounding words. He was a very eloquent man, but, as his brother Dennis puts it, he didn't mind contradicting himself when it made his speech sound good. He has done a great job being a spokesperson for psychedelics and many people got interested in the subject because of him. But he's no god either and talked bullshit here and there
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Edited by woaronun (11/28/13 02:08 PM)
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Re: Terrance Mckenna's Archaic Revival [Re: woaronun]
#19201216 - 11/28/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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woaronun said: That point makes it impossible for you to consider honest criticism. A lot of what he said was spot on, especially about our current society. The stoned ape theory is quite plausible too. But then there's also stuff where you honestly have to say he was wrong. He predicted something big to happen in 2012; it didn't happen. He proposed a "theory" about a "timewave" that no one understood, not even his brother, because it's not a proper theory but a wall of nice-sounding words. He was a very eloquent man, but, as his brother Dennis puts it, he didn't mind contradicting himself when it made his speech sound good. He has done a great job being a spokesperson for psychedelics and many people got interested in the subject because of him. But he's no god either and talked bullshit here and there 
You may have to go back on the things you've read, and I only just recently started reading his material but I do recall his mentioning of something to happen in 2012. He WAS also asked what if nothing happened in 2012, and he responded by saying that humanity would just keep plunging down its route of death (in other words). I'm not sure about the other points he's made but perhaps there's more to it?
I mean he was a pretty eccentric fellow, you could be right completely.
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Re: Terrance Mckenna's Archaic Revival [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
#19201256 - 11/28/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well of course he was never short of an answer, but that was just one example anyway. All I'm saying is that he's not a saint, and I dislike the tendency of people to follow a leader just who sounds smart to them. If you have to admire one McKenna, admire Dennis McKenna - even if it's for this quote alone:
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Re: Terrance Mckenna's Archaic Revival [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
#19201275 - 11/28/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think I would have been way more pessimistic and feeling hopeless about our future as a species, had I not heard his talks.
In several lectures he mentions that yes our primate hierarchy, aided by technology that we're too ape-like to employ wisely, is indeed pushing us and the planet closer to a toxic waste dump run by nazis.
At the same time he correctly points out that the cavalry is coming. By sheer need we are now collectively grasping for the psychedelic solution, as one of the key pieces that might help us turn things around. If it works, we WILL turn it around. We'll learn to clean it all up, clean ourselves up, and learn to express our shadow sides more constructively than wars enslavement and rampant consumerism.
The psy trips can teach us how to create harmony and a balanced technological eco paradise that fulfills both body and mind, and we can indeed unite and head over to space, the oceans, the inner depths of ourselves, all of which are largely unexplored or misunderstood areas right now.
He's not perfect, nor a guru. He did get stuff wrong, like 2012. I still respect him as a fellow explorer. He took the journey and brought back gifts for us all, sharing them generously.
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Re: Terrance Mckenna's Archaic Revival [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
#19202503 - 11/28/13 08:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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woaronun said: That point makes it impossible for you to consider honest criticism. A lot of what he said was spot on, especially about our current society. The stoned ape theory is quite plausible too. But then there's also stuff where you honestly have to say he was wrong. He predicted something big to happen in 2012; it didn't happen. He proposed a "theory" about a "timewave" that no one understood, not even his brother, because it's not a proper theory but a wall of nice-sounding words. He was a very eloquent man, but, as his brother Dennis puts it, he didn't mind contradicting himself when it made his speech sound good. He has done a great job being a spokesperson for psychedelics and many people got interested in the subject because of him. But he's no god either and talked bullshit here and there 
You may have to go back on the things you've read, and I only just recently started reading his material but I do recall his mentioning of something to happen in 2012. He WAS also asked what if nothing happened in 2012, and he responded by saying that humanity would just keep plunging down its route of death (in other words). I'm not sure about the other points he's made but perhaps there's more to it?
I mean he was a pretty eccentric fellow, you could be right completely.
Let bill lay it down again...
The timewave shit IS COMING TRUE NOW. McKenna is one of the mushrooms mmain teachers for those that are capable of comprehending this futuristic mind-fuck of a man, which Is Terence. Watch your fucking mouth, woaronum. I say that in a humbling fashion.
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Re: Terrance Mckenna's Archaic Revival [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Read this thread if you like McKenna http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17192244
The forward was written by his brother Dennis, an Ethnopharmacologist who Terence always said was actually the more profound thinker. In many ways the theory this thread talks about it a radically different and more coherent/complete take on the "stoned-ape hypothesis".
It is mind blowing beyond belief.
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gushtunkinflupped said: Read this thread if you like McKenna http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17192244
The forward was written by his brother Dennis, an Ethnopharmacologist who Terence always said was actually the more profound thinker. In many ways the theory this thread talks about it a radically different and more coherent/complete take on the "stoned-ape hypothesis".
It is mind blowing beyond belief.
Hopefully I will be able to understand it, thank you for that!
bill
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Re: Terrance Mckenna's Archaic Revival [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#19202541 - 11/28/13 08:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Terence was a performer and artist. His main pojnt was to make people think and to question all ideas. He had a degree from Berkley and a world class library. He never claimed his ideas were true. He was just presenting funny ideas that make you think. Relax and get stoned and enjoy!
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Re: Terrance Mckenna's Archaic Revival [Re: lwheidt]
#19202550 - 11/28/13 08:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Its not that simple, man. Intelligence from 1 man, dead or alive, can teach the whole world if they would just listen. I believe McKenna is a futuristic alien being sent from the internet from the future to help people like myself.
he helps me to this day with problem solving and enhancing the speed-processing of my mind, I believe hes doing this through the internet. Maybe the internet is some kind of "future-portal" let down by the angels and demons of the after-life hyperspace?? Thatd be cool.
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Re: Terrance Mckenna's Archaic Revival [Re: maddad]
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Lucid Toast said: Im not sure i like McKenna I found he gave very irresponsible advice, and was egotistical about dosage and seemed almost for lack of a better term uneducated, and not spiritual or open minded.. ... He did however didn't have fear of talking about dmt, witch turned psychonauts on further. Just my subjective reality from what I've experienced... One thing I'm sure of s that everyone is different. I'm positive I've read in several articles stating he worked for CIA on a few occasions~
He Kinda sounds like a noob  But I guess were all noobs all on a journey somewhere...

bill
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Re: Terrance Mckenna's Archaic Revival [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Lucid Toast said: Im not sure i like McKenna I found he gave very irresponsible advice, and was egotistical about dosage and seemed almost for lack of a better term uneducated, and not spiritual or open minded.. ... He did however didn't have fear of talking about dmt, witch turned psychonauts on further. Just my subjective reality from what I've experienced... One thing I'm sure of s that everyone is different. I'm positive I've read in several articles stating he worked for CIA on a few occasions~
He Kinda sounds like a noob  But I guess were all noobs all on a journey somewhere...

bill
Agreed you are the uninformed one LucidToast
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The trialogues featuring rupert sheldrake and ralph abraham are particularly rewarding to watch.
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Re: Terrance Mckenna's Archaic Revival [Re: Muffinman1552]
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I forget which lecture Terrance did but Alex grey and many other notable psychedelic figures were all under one roof.
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Re: Terrance Mckenna's Archaic Revival [Re: Muffinman1552]
#19204703 - 11/29/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Muffinman1552 said: The trialogues featuring rupert sheldrake and ralph abraham are particularly rewarding to watch.
couldn't of said it better myself. If I do say so, myself!
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