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TheSacrednessOfGeo
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How do i obtain bigger fruitsI
#19198104 - 11/27/13 08:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am growing penis envy and from the pics ive see they can get huge. which is what i want im growing them in a martha with deep aluminum trays with 50/50 peat and verm casing. but i havent used limestone on it yet. do i need bigger trays? i want bigger fruits
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PussyFart
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Fruit size is mostly dependant on moisture content and genetics....
The next flush's fruits will always most likely be bigger in size....
Telling us your casing layer material does not help much, what is the substrate?
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SamhainJ
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First flush often produces blobs... as far as peat/verm without lime.. buy a jiffy mix seedstarteR or equivilent, its got lime in it..
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TheSacrednessOfGeo
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Re: How do i obtain bigger fruitsI [Re: PussyFart]
#19198163 - 11/27/13 08:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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im using organic rye seed for substrate. breaking it up even for the substrate layer than layering it with peat/verm i use about 2 quart jars for a container ill post pics. my second flushes have been a little bigger but there are less fruits.
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slartibartfast
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I grow them in tubs and generally have 8-16 q total substrate and spawn and the fruits are usually a decent size with many mushrooms drying out to 5g and a few ending up in the 10-12g range. the largest i have ever had was a 160g freshie but i gave that to a friend and don't know what it dried out too. plenty of moisture and a decent amount of substrate should lead to quite a few big fruits. Someday i want to be able to hand over to a friend an OZ of shrooms made up of just one mushroom but so far no go. Best of luck with the grow. Slart
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TheSacrednessOfGeo
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slartibartfast said: I grow them in tubs and generally have 8-16 q total substrate and spawn and the fruits are usually a decent size with many mushrooms drying out to 5g and a few ending up in the 10-12g range. the largest i have ever had was a 220g freshie but i gave that to a friend and don't know what it dried out too. plenty of moisture and a decent amount of substrate should lead to quite a few big fruits. Someday i want to be able to hand over to a friend an OZ of shrooms made up of just one mushroom but so far no go. Best of luck with the grow. Slart
So your using a monotub? do you use agar? i want my fruits that big. im desprate for it. can you tell me what are your processes?
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anne halonium
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if ya just want massive, grow with pasturized fert straw , cased, in kiddie pools. uses tons of energy, and tons of air, and ya have to water it with a 5 gallon sprayer, but, ya can get hundreds of CD sized caps.
this was a favorite stunt of ours in the 80s throw down plastic, or it ruins the floors. and thats plastic inside the pool and outside. they often crack stuffing them thru bedroom doors. the secret is to get the larger ones, and fold them in half. they are only good for one run . end of season, they are often on sale. stock up. this does not work so well in cold areas in the winter, as subs that size require massive energy to change temp. be prepared , to run the whole room like an FC. and it requires about 4 box fans at minimum for air. done right, they dont trich.
your on your own for disposal when crop is done. urbanites, might wanna think about that one.
however, we no longer do all that. eventually we realized, other types of teks, and dense canopy clones, of medium size, actually gave more weight, in the surface area/ sub size, and time / energy/ cost equation.
IMO , massive ones , have no power advantage. the contest is weight.
therefore, we shoot for power clone dense canopy , identical, medium size crops.
that, or ya could try viagra.
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TheSacrednessOfGeo
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what do you mean by canopy clones
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Genetics, proper moisture, light and flush #. As mentioned in PE later flushes are more likely to produce monsters. I've seen some 5th or 6th flushes that only produced 2-5 fruits but they were giants.
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anne halonium
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TheSacrednessOfGeo said: what do you mean by canopy clones
dense canopy clones...........

these were done violet tek style, in pint masons. they flushed 5 times like that.
point is, size IMO, is less important than weight, and consistancy.
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TheSacrednessOfGeo
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StygianKnight said: Genetics, proper moisture, light and flush #. As mentioned in PE later flushes are more likely to produce monsters. I've seen some 5th or 6th flushes that only produced 2-5 fruits but they were giants.
i heard you were suppose to throw them out after the third flush due to the risk of conatms? is that not true
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anne halonium
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StygianKnight said: Genetics, proper moisture, light and flush #. As mentioned in PE later flushes are more likely to produce monsters. I've seen some 5th or 6th flushes that only produced 2-5 fruits but they were giants.
i heard you were suppose to throw them out after the third flush due to the risk of conatms? is that not true
contrary to popular belief, all grows dont end in trich. we commonly go 4-5 flushes, and usually even then, remove containers only because they are to small yield to continue.
clean ops, are clean ops, by any methods.
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StygianKnight said: Genetics, proper moisture, light and flush #. As mentioned in PE later flushes are more likely to produce monsters. I've seen some 5th or 6th flushes that only produced 2-5 fruits but they were giants.
i heard you were suppose to throw them out after the third flush due to the risk of conatms? is that not true
contrary to popular belief, all grows dont end in trich. we commonly go 4-5 flushes, and usually even then, remove containers only because they are to small yield to continue.
clean ops, are clean ops, by any methods.
after the second flush the myc on the top starts looking dark blue and matted is that bad or normal. ive been misting after flushes heavily until the next set of pins. do i need to lay down a fresh thin layer everytime because ive just been being careful and not pulling too much dirt up so i dont have to keep pasturizing casing
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Just looked over my notes and overstated the weight of the biggest fruit as it was 160 and not 220 but to answer your questions yes i do use agar but i have not made an effort to clone the largest fruits mostly to try and improve the pin set. Monotubs are my current fave but that is mostly due to my being away from my mushroom room for a couple days at a time most weeks and needed a way to grow that does not depend on timers or daily maintenance. I have had good success using fruiting chambers in the past with humidity from an ultrasonic humidifier. My methods are pretty run of the mill and to start go multispore and then clone a few of the better fruits to agar, from there either inoculate the grain jar (have used WBS and currently Barley as it is very cheap for me to get) with 2 or 3 agar wedges or make a mycellial slurry syringe from an entire plate and then incubate at temps in the low 70's till fully colonized. I have been using pasteurized coir as of late and usually go for a high spawning rate of 1/1 or 1/2 spawn to coir (or coir mixed with verm) then let things run for 7-10 days then introduce fruiting conditions and in 10-12 days pins start forming and 7-10 days later harvest the beasts. PE is my favorite strain and while a bit slow it is worth the wait. Slart
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I would agree with Anne that total yield is more important for the most part but their is something exiting about growing monster fruits, it gets into your blood and just like Giant pumpkin or other giant vegetables they do give you the gee wiz feeling, However as i mentioned i don't try to clone for fruit size alone but consider fruiting density and a general vigor of a particular isolate to be more important. Slart
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