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Re: Buddhism and opiates [Re: s240779]
    #19192856 - 11/26/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Buddhism is crack and opiates are great in gentle moderation.


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Re: Buddhism and opiates [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19193291 - 11/26/13 05:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

"and lastly, to refrain from using intoxicants to the point of heedlessness, loss of mindfulness, or loss of awareness. It does not say not to use them, and it is very explicit. It is interesting that it is worded that way: to not use intoxicants to the point of loss of consciousness or awareness. There is another translation of it, which says not to use intoxicants which remove that sense of attention or awareness."

personally i have found psychedelics to be more sobering in a sense. i dont think they really dull you at all, maybe make you more aware of things as a whole. then again that is very dose dependant, a lot can make you drop into a new dimension with dmt, and if you take enough lsd you can white out.

edit- i realize the OP was about opiates.


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Re: Buddhism and opiates [Re: claraclairvoyant]
    #19195331 - 11/27/13 07:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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claraclairvoyant said:
it's proven science that with each nod one becomes a little more enlightened.
:havesomescience:




:yesnod:


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Re: Buddhism and opiates [Re: claraclairvoyant]
    #19195377 - 11/27/13 08:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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claraclairvoyant said:
it's proven science that with each nod one becomes a little more enlightened.
:havesomescience:



:laugh2:

OP- you are on a VERY slippery slope. Everyone tells themselves they have control over the situation. After being on this forum as long as I have and having seen the struggles so many of my friends have been through with opiates, I would strongly suggest you check yourself before you wreck yourself.


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Re: Buddhism and opiates [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19196499 - 11/27/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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nicechrisman said:
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claraclairvoyant said:
it's proven science that with each nod one becomes a little more enlightened.
:havesomescience:



:laugh2:

OP- you are on a VERY slippery slope. Everyone tells themselves they have control over the situation. After being on this forum as long as I have and having seen the struggles so many of my friends have been through with opiates, I would strongly suggest you check yourself before you wreck yourself.




"They make me feel like I'm supposed to feel. All those promises of contentment and fulfillment we're sold by society, parents, and government never delivered much. Opiates make everything make sense and feel secure, balanced, and beautiful. They're the night time embrace of a lover that won't divorce you; all the paychecks from your employer that weren't eaten up by bills and taxes; it's the real graduation certificate that was magically supposed to make you a notch above the rest.

In short, I feel like being high on opiates is what the human game SHOULD feel like. I'm normal and healthy and happy when I'm high. Yes, yes. I know that's the trap and sets the long hard road towards addiction. I've managed it effectively for years."


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Re: Buddhism and opiates [Re: Alexestalex]
    #19197404 - 11/27/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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When I do opiates, I completely stop clinging to my desires and materialistic possessions. It's honestly one of the most liberating feelings imaginable. Everything feels so empty in the most pleasant way imaginable. I even stop clinging to other people's opinions of me, it just DOESN'T MATTER in the slightest. It's breathtaking. 

I just feel like the mindset opiates put me in is very buddhist like. Nothing can phase me, nothing can anger me, nothing can annoy me. Disappointment and jealousy are replaced with a blissful void. Every grudge I've ever held on, every wrong that somebody has done to me, and every shred of guilt I've built up over the years just disintegrates beautifully. 

Has anyone learnt any valuable life lessons with opiates? I feel like drug users generally believe that psychedelics are the only category of drugs that hold value and provide a method of enlightenment but opiates have definitely changed my world view. They've made me far more relaxed, mellow, and chill. It's not a bad thing per say, I'm loving it. :smile:




Just wait tell you try to quit but your in too deep..

You can't live the rest of your life high on opiates all your life. I've been using for 4 years straight, my parents found out in the worst possible way.. I passed out in the bathroom high as shit, lol.. Now, i either quit or get kicked out. Quitting is the hardest thing I've ever had to do. It's soooo tempting, but i remeber when i could control how often i used, and had the same mindset as you.. Opiates are magical, but for your own safety just take a break every now and then to prove your mental strength.

If you have a easy, and really really large source of opiates like i did, you get so used to taking it everyday that it just becomes normal everyday activity.. I NEEDED it to feel normal.

I quit and was sober from nov 10 ... But three days ago i got a chance to do some again, so.. I did. Of course. Life just totally changes i get blurry eyes, gut aches, your so used to being numbed of pain that when you stop every joint and bone hurts like you wouldn't believe. Restless legs, irritability, emotional detachment, list goes on.. The physical withdrawl is bad, but the craving for that magical feeling is what is the most impacting.

I should of never broke up those pills and started, but if i could go back I'd do it all over again:hellyeah:

Just mark my words young lad, opiates are magical, mystical chemicals, but one must treat with the utmost respect. Good luck on your journey, by the time people realize they're in too deep, it's too late.


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Re: Buddhism and opiates [Re: Dr.Dankhead] * 1
    #19197971 - 11/27/13 07:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

hey everybody,

i really appreciate the op's posting this; it's an interesting question to consider.  i've been an active, practicing buddhist for a few years and a daily meditator for a few more.  i'm no expert and no dharma teacher but will share my thoughts and feelings for what they're worth.  if you disagree with my views please share why, in case i'm mistaken.

i often see variations on the following view: "buddhism is about not being attached to desire and anger" or "the goal of buddhism is to be at complete peace with the moment" etc.

i see these views as approximately equivalent and also not entirely true, in part because they all seem to advocate attaining a temporary state of mind as way to salvation.

buddhist meditation is usually done for the purpose of resting one's awareness in the present moment.  why would we want to do such a thing?  i believe the understanding is that by resting our awareness in the present moment, we can see reality more clearly and eventually be free of ignorance, which is the root cause of all suffering.

this doesn't mean that the goal of buddhist meditation is to enter a temporary state in which we are at peace.  the goal of buddhist meditation is to put an end to ignorance, which is the cause of all suffering.

it's like if you were listening to music and your friend came up to you to say hi.  before you notice your friend, you're ignorant of her presence.  as soon as you become aware of her presence, you're free of that ignorance; it's gone and can't come back.

at the moment we're ignorant of the true nature of reality, which is selfless and excellent etc etc.  if we have the great fortune of seeing the true nature of reality, in that moment there will be no ignorance.  if such insight became our stable experience of reality, we would no longer have any suffering and would be enlightened.

that hasn't happened yet.  being blissed out on opiates may be a beneficial experience for a person seeking enlightenment; it's certainly cleared obstacles in my life and helped me to connect with the genuinely excellent reality of having human body and heart.  but because the experience was so good and also so transient, i became very attached to it and had to leave opiates behind for my own peace of mind.

the state of peace found in opiates does little to actually remove ignorance, the cause of all suffering; this is evidenced by the fact that the experience is so self-centered.  can you weep with compassion for the suffering of all sentient beings when you're on opiates?  what about on LSD?

variations on this question have helped me to clarify which drug experiences are helpful on my path and which are not so helpful.


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