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Pope denounces trickle down economics
#19197308 - 11/27/13 04:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It appears the new Pope is getting increasingly more popular among liberals, as he calls for socialism instead of capitalism across the globe. Many conservative Catholics are confused as their spiritual leader decouples from their ideology.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/pope-denounces-trickle-down-economics-which-has-never-been-confirmed-by-the-facts
http://www.infowars.com/jesuit-trained-pope-trashes-capitalism-in-call-for-worldwide-socialism/
As the average US citizen continues to struggle economically, and the inequality of wealth also continues to favor the rich at a alarming rate, the Pope might find plenty of support for his economic stance.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: qman] 7
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the pope should stick to spewing dogmatic religious bullshit. He doesn't know shit about economics.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: qman]
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qman said: It appears the new Pope is getting increasingly more popular among liberals, as he calls for socialism instead of capitalism across the globe. Many conservative Catholics are confused as their spiritual leader decouples from their ideology.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/pope-denounces-trickle-down-economics-which-has-never-been-confirmed-by-the-facts
http://www.infowars.com/jesuit-trained-pope-trashes-capitalism-in-call-for-worldwide-socialism/
As the average US citizen continues to struggle economically, and the inequality of wealth also continues to favor the rich at a alarming rate, the Pope might find plenty of support for his economic stance.
The pope preaching christian morals? What has the world come to?!?
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: qman] 1
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I am amazed that after all these years people are still loyal to a Pope/Ceasar in Rome. And after all the hindering of progress and genocide al inquisitions and mass murder they conducted in their religions name of the centuries people still want to participate in it, because they think the Pope is god's man on this planet...
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: psyconaught] 1
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: White Beard]
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qman said: It appears the new Pope is getting increasingly more popular among liberals, as he calls for socialism instead of capitalism across the globe. Many conservative Catholics are confused as their spiritual leader decouples from their ideology.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/pope-denounces-trickle-down-economics-which-has-never-been-confirmed-by-the-facts
http://www.infowars.com/jesuit-trained-pope-trashes-capitalism-in-call-for-worldwide-socialism/
As the average US citizen continues to struggle economically, and the inequality of wealth also continues to favor the rich at a alarming rate, the Pope might find plenty of support for his economic stance.
The pope preaching christian morals? What has the world come to?!?
Some people would question that socialism = christian morals.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: qman]
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: Ellis Dee] 1
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Ellis Dee said: I am amazed that after all these years people are still loyal to a Pope/Ceasar in Rome. And after all the hindering of progress and genocide al inquisitions and mass murder they conducted in their religions name of the centuries people still want to participate in it, because they think the Pope is god's man on this planet...
I can never over estimate the stupidity of humans.

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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: Icelander]
#19197632 - 11/27/13 06:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: qman]
#19197727 - 11/27/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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qman said: It appears the new Pope is getting increasingly more popular among liberals, as he calls for socialism instead of capitalism across the globe. Many conservative Catholics are confused as their spiritual leader decouples from their ideology.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/pope-denounces-trickle-down-economics-which-has-never-been-confirmed-by-the-facts
http://www.infowars.com/jesuit-trained-pope-trashes-capitalism-in-call-for-worldwide-socialism/
As the average US citizen continues to struggle economically, and the inequality of wealth also continues to favor the rich at a alarming rate, the Pope might find plenty of support for his economic stance.
The pope preaching christian morals? What has the world come to?!?
Some people would question that socialism = christian morals.
Well, yeah, but I'd say they don't know what they are talking about. Over and over jesus said things like giving away all your possessions to the poor if you want to enter the kingdom of heaven, you can't server mammon(riches) and god, the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, and later paul goes on about how money is the root of all evil. etc. etc. It's pretty clear where the bible stands in regards to treating the poor.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: White Beard] 1
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Voluntarily. It is also clear on that.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: psyconaught]
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psyconaught said: the pope should stick to spewing dogmatic religious bullshit. He doesn't know shit about economics.
What the FUCK? Dave Stockman denounced TDE, it's you clowns that cling to it for some unknown reason. All these year under it has sent hundreds of thousands of jobs overseas and given us the worst depression in 70 years.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: sweeper54]
#19197863 - 11/27/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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shitty government policies and overregulation sent the jobs over seas. Most wealthy people alive today are self made millionaires/billionaires who ran completely legitimate business's and provided a value to their customers. Why do you hate people who are more successful than you?
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: sweeper54] 1
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psyconaught said: the pope should stick to spewing dogmatic religious bullshit. He doesn't know shit about economics.
What the FUCK? Dave Stockman denounced TDE, it's you clowns that cling to it for some unknown reason. All these year under it has sent hundreds of thousands of jobs overseas and given us the worst depression in 70 years.
It's worked wonderfully for me. Trickle down has nothing to do with sending jobs overseas, unionism does. I'm not going to parse depression/recession because it is irrelevant. Government regulation has caused our economic woes. Hiring is down because of Obamacare and what hiring is going on is part time, trickle down had nothing to do with any of it.Quote:
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod] 1
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Is the pope trying to run for office or something?
He should stick to eating holy bread and drinking wine
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: Patlal]
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Maybe you should stick the Canadian economics.Quote:
Patlal said: Is the pope trying to run for office or something?
He should stick to eating holy bread and drinking wine
Maybe you should stick the Canadian economics.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: sweeper54]
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Patlal said: Is the pope trying to run for office or something?
He should stick to eating holy bread and drinking wine
Maybe you should stick the Canadian economics.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: psyconaught] 1
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psyconaught said: shitty government policies and overregulation sent the jobs over seas. Most wealthy people alive today are self made millionaires/billionaires who ran completely legitimate business's and provided a value to their customers. Why do you hate people who are more successful than you?
"shitty government polices and overregulation sent the jobs over seas."
Not really, we could have super governmental polices and much less regulations, and guess what? US workers still wouldn't be able to compete with third world labor costs, not even close.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: qman]
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no but there would be less barrier to entry in business creation. Therefore more jobs, etc, I really shouldn't need to explain this, the easier it is to do business the more people will start business's. Americans shouldn't be wasting time putting together barbie dolls anyway. We should be on the forefront of innovation and manufacturing. The government just makes it too damn difficult to do that.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
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psyconaught said: the pope should stick to spewing dogmatic religious bullshit. He doesn't know shit about economics.
What the FUCK? Dave Stockman denounced TDE, it's you clowns that cling to it for some unknown reason. All these year under it has sent hundreds of thousands of jobs overseas and given us the worst depression in 70 years.
It's worked wonderfully for me. Trickle down has nothing to do with sending jobs overseas, unionism does. I'm not going to parse depression/recession because it is irrelevant. Government regulation has caused our economic woes. Hiring is down because of Obamacare and what hiring is going on is part time, trickle down had nothing to do with any of it.Quote:
EAT the rich!
Bring it.
so why are the jobs leaving NON-union China? At lot of the jobs that left the US were NON-UNION.
Why won't you address the fact that the author of TDE says it was a failure?
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: What species are you, again?
Same as you.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: sweeper54]
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What the FUCK? Dave Stockman denounced TDE, it's you clowns that cling to it for some unknown reason. All these year under it has sent hundreds of thousands of jobs overseas and given us the worst depression in 70 years.
It's worked wonderfully for me. Trickle down has nothing to do with sending jobs overseas, unionism does. I'm not going to parse depression/recession because it is irrelevant. Government regulation has caused our economic woes. Hiring is down because of Obamacare and what hiring is going on is part time, trickle down had nothing to do with any of it.Quote:
EAT the rich!
Bring it.
so why are the jobs leaving NON-union China?
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At lot of the jobs that left the US were NON-UNION.
Trickle down wage inflation.Quote:
Why won't you address the fact that the author of TDE says it was a failure?
Because I don't care what he says. It has worked fabulously for me and my employees.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: Icelander]
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zappaisgod said: What species are you, again?
Same as you.
Are you sure?
Some people are stupid. Others are smart. It is moronic to assert that the whole species is stupid. Compared to what, exactly?
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: psyconaught]
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psyconaught said: no but there would be less barrier to entry in business creation. Therefore more jobs, etc, I really shouldn't need to explain this, the easier it is to do business the more people will start business's. Americans shouldn't be wasting time putting together barbie dolls anyway. We should be on the forefront of innovation and manufacturing. The government just makes it too damn difficult to do that.
"Americans shouldn't be wasting time putting together barbie dolls"
Why not? We have plenty of low skilled and uneducated US citizens that aren't capable of much more, it's better than becoming a permanent leech off the government. In fact, before jobs like these were sent overseas, most US workers supported themselves and payed taxes.
"We should be on the forefront of innovation and manufacturing."
In a perfect world, but today we have highly skilled and educated people that don't live in the US, they live in China and elsewhere, and they want to be on the forefront of innovation. Do you think highly skilled and educated workers are exclusive to just the US?
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
#19198173 - 11/27/13 08:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Voluntarily. It is also clear on that.
Voluntarily under threat of eternal torment.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: psyconaught]
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psyconaught said: the pope should stick to spewing dogmatic religious bullshit. He doesn't know shit about economics.
I would think any pope would know a shit load of economics... Kinda wealthy people become popes right? Pretty sure this church has some tradition of opposing usury.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: usulpsychonaut]
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I dont like the church at all and all popes are bullshit, but this Pope is way better in comparison with Benedict, who was the leader of the Magisterium and was the biggest fucking dogmatic biggot nazi of the past century.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: What species are you, again?
Same as you.
Are you sure?
Some people are stupid. Others are smart. It is moronic to assert that the whole species is stupid. Compared to what, exactly?
Yeah I'm pretty sure. To think I might not be is not very intelligent or rational imo? Seriously, how could one question I wasn't of the same species and be logical? That thinking would belong in the conspiracy forum. Statements or questions like yours is what clues me in to my belief of the irrationality of humans. Of course some are way more irrational than others imo. But I think a certain amount of human folly is universal and belongs to the species at large. It's not that I'm never impressed with a certain human but that's fairly rare and I never think they are fully rational in all areas especially emotionally.
I just watched an interesting documentary about four master mathematicians who worked on the same ideas having to do with infinity. They all ended up in asylums and committing suicide according to this program. Part of the problem was the times in which they were working as they turned out to be the correct ones but they were vilified by their peers and a public who couldn't emotionally except the paradigm shift that needed to occur with these ideas.
And so compared to what, imo is compared to what we usually claim about ourselves. But of course I'm speaking as one of the same species I believe to be irrational to a great deal. I certainly include myself here and I noticed this about myself when I was still fairly young.
And I never think in black and white terms that some are stupid and some are smart if I can help it because that's never turned out to be a completely rational way to view it.
It's pretty interesting if anyone wants to watch it. http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/dangerous-knowledge/
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: Icelander]
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I denounce trickle down Popes. You all know what they have on their mind, if recent history is any indication....
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Why is anyone talking about socialism? I don't see any quote from the pope mentioning socialism. Perhaps he is merely in great support of the free market such as I am, and doesn't place value on bullshit tax exemptions and corporate subsidies. Trickle down economics is fucking awful, and just benefits the rich. If no one touches the economy, it can truly flourish.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: HalfLight]
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle-down_economics
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Sounds like government meddling in business to me, and it's looked like it in the past.
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Not taxing business (tax breaks) is the opposite of meddling. I don't know what other "economic benefits" means.
Trickle down economics has nothing to do with the government at all. It is the idea that people who make a lot of money will spend a lot of money and employ others down the line who in turn will spend money that employs yet others. Wealth is not finite.
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zappaisgod said: Not taxing business (tax breaks) is the opposite of meddling. I don't know what other "economic benefits" means.
Trickle down economics has nothing to do with the government at all. It is the idea that people who make a lot of money will spend a lot of money and employ others down the line who in turn will spend money that employs yet others. Wealth is not finite.
The problem is the wealthy are not spending that money, they're hoarding it away and for most american it's not trickling down, if it was the middle-class would be doing better.
Get the money to the middle-class and they'll spend it and the rich will get richer also.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: Ellis Dee]
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Ellis Dee said: I am amazed that after all these years people are still loyal to a Pope/Ceasar in Rome. And after all the hindering of progress and genocide al inquisitions and mass murder they conducted in their religions name of the centuries people still want to participate in it, because they think the Pope is god's man on this planet...
I can never over estimate the stupidity of humans.

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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: sweeper54]
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zappaisgod said: Not taxing business (tax breaks) is the opposite of meddling. I don't know what other "economic benefits" means.
Trickle down economics has nothing to do with the government at all. It is the idea that people who make a lot of money will spend a lot of money and employ others down the line who in turn will spend money that employs yet others. Wealth is not finite.
The problem is the wealthy are not spending that money, they're hoarding it away and for most american it's not trickling down, if it was the middle-class would be doing better.
Get the money to the middle-class and they'll spend it and the rich will get richer also.
"they're hoarding it away and for most american it's not tricking down"
This is true, not only are the wealthy hoarding their money, banks are also hoarding their "reserves" and are not lending money. This is not likely to change, both the wealthy and the banks know one thing, the economy is too weak and risky to invest in, the hoarding will continue for years if not decades.
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Yes, also the current monetary policy (the rate of interest payed on reserves) provides no incentive for banks to make "risky" loans into the shaky economy.
It was recently suggested in a Federal Reserve meeting that the committee should consider reducing the rate payed on bank reserves, therefore potentially motivating the banks to make loans, as we all know, this won't work at all.
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Yes, also the current monetary policy (the rate of interest payed on reserves) provides no incentive for banks to make "risky" loans into the shaky economy.
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It was recently suggested in a Federal Reserve meeting that the committee should consider reducing the rate payed on bank reserves, therefore potentially motivating the banks to make loans, as we all know, this won't work at all.
How could they possibly lower the rates any more?
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: You do know that the government is forcing banks to keep more capital in reserve, right?
Yes, also the current monetary policy (the rate of interest payed on reserves) provides no incentive for banks to make "risky" loans into the shaky economy.
Good. The government shouldn't provide any incentives for anythingQuote:
It was recently suggested in a Federal Reserve meeting that the committee should consider reducing the rate payed on bank reserves, therefore potentially motivating the banks to make loans, as we all know, this won't work at all.
How could they possibly lower the rates any more?
I guess to 0. The banks then said if that happened they would consider negative yields on bank deposits.
I really doesn't matter, banks are in a multi year/decade repair process of their balance sheets, credit growth will remain dead for a very long time. They could try charging the banks for their excess reserves, it would make no difference.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: qman]
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qman said: It appears the new Pope is getting increasingly more popular among liberals, as he calls for socialism instead of capitalism across the globe. Many conservative Catholics are confused as their spiritual leader decouples from their ideology.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/pope-denounces-trickle-down-economics-which-has-never-been-confirmed-by-the-facts
http://www.infowars.com/jesuit-trained-pope-trashes-capitalism-in-call-for-worldwide-socialism/
As the average US citizen continues to struggle economically, and the inequality of wealth also continues to favor the rich at a alarming rate, the Pope might find plenty of support for his economic stance.
The pope preaching christian morals? What has the world come to?!?
Some people would question that socialism = christian morals.
Some people would question where "socialism" was advocated by Pope Francis.
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Ellis Dee said: I am amazed that after all these years people are still loyal to a Pope/Ceasar in Rome. And after all the hindering of progress and genocide al inquisitions and mass murder they conducted in their religions name of the centuries people still want to participate in it, because they think the Pope is god's man on this planet...
I can never over estimate the stupidity of humans.

That is an incredibly myopic view of Catholicism and history. Consider the catalog of saints that Catholicism has fostered, for instance. These people were devoted to spreading compassionate action, oftentimes leading to martyrdom or incurable sickness (e.g., leprosy). Moreover, incredibly bright people endorse Christianity and have since its inception (e.g., from scientists like Francis Collins to analytic philosophers like Paul Moser). Ultimately, Catholicism characterizes humans as sinful, so it is rather unsurprising to Catholics that empowered humans would wield their might in a wicked manner (e.g., Christians burning Jewish synagogues).
Next time it's Thanksgiving, count how many homeless people are being fed because of Christian charities.
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Since I am, seemingly, the only one who actually read Pope Francis's words, let me quote from him:
- Business is a vocation, and a noble vocation, provided that those engaged in it see themselves challenged by a greater meaning in life; this will enable them truly to serve the common good by striving to increase the goods of this world and to make them more accessible to all.
- The culture of prosperity deadens us; we are thrilled if the market offers us something new to purchase; and in the meantime all those lives stunted for lack of opportunity seem a mere spectacle; they fail to move us.
- When preaching is faithful to the Gospel, the centrality of certain truths is evident and it becomes clear that Christian morality is not a form of stoicism, or self-denial, or merely a practical philosophy or a catalogue of sins and faults. Before all else, the Gospel invites us to respond to the God of love who saves us, to see God in others and to go forth from ourselves to seek the good of others. Under no circumstance can this invitation be obscured! All of the virtues are at the service of this response of love. If this invitation does not radiate forcefully and attractively, the edifice of the Church’s moral teaching risks becoming a house of cards, and this is our greatest risk. It would mean that it is not the Gospel which is being preached, but certain doctrinal or moral points based on specific ideological options. The message will run the risk of losing its freshness and will cease to have "the fragrance of the Gospel".
- There are Christians whose lives seem like Lent without Easter.
- More than by fear of going astray, my hope is that we will be moved by the fear of remaining shut up within structures which give us a false sense of security, within rules which make us harsh judges, within habits which make us feel safe, while at our door people are starving and Jesus does not tire of saying to us: “Give them something to eat” (Mk 6:37).
- Loving others is a spiritual force drawing us to union with God; indeed, one who does not love others “walks in the darkness” (1 Jn 2:11), “remains in death” (1 Jn 3:14) and “does not know God” (1 Jn 4:8). Benedict XVI has said that “closing our eyes to our neighbour also blinds us to God”,[209] and that love is, in the end, the only light which “can always illuminate a world grown dim and give us the courage needed to keep living and working”.
Man, what a genocidal socialist that guy is!
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: qman]
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Pope actually talks about helping the poor. Conservatives freak out. Hilarity ensues.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: Smokey420]
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The pope is sitting on more money than god. Let the stupid cunt use his own money
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: cactologist]
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- Business is a vocation, and a noble vocation, provided that those engaged in it see themselves challenged by a greater meaning in life; this will enable them truly to serve the common good by striving to increase the goods of this world and to make them more accessible to all.
- The culture of prosperity deadens us; we are thrilled if the market offers us something new to purchase; and in the meantime all those lives stunted for lack of opportunity seem a mere spectacle; they fail to move us.
- When preaching is faithful to the Gospel, the centrality of certain truths is evident and it becomes clear that Christian morality is not a form of stoicism, or self-denial, or merely a practical philosophy or a catalogue of sins and faults. Before all else, the Gospel invites us to respond to the God of love who saves us, to see God in others and to go forth from ourselves to seek the good of others. Under no circumstance can this invitation be obscured! All of the virtues are at the service of this response of love. If this invitation does not radiate forcefully and attractively, the edifice of the Church’s moral teaching risks becoming a house of cards, and this is our greatest risk. It would mean that it is not the Gospel which is being preached, but certain doctrinal or moral points based on specific ideological options. The message will run the risk of losing its freshness and will cease to have "the fragrance of the Gospel".
- There are Christians whose lives seem like Lent without Easter.
- More than by fear of going astray, my hope is that we will be moved by the fear of remaining shut up within structures which give us a false sense of security, within rules which make us harsh judges, within habits which make us feel safe, while at our door people are starving and Jesus does not tire of saying to us: “Give them something to eat” (Mk 6:37).
- Loving others is a spiritual force drawing us to union with God; indeed, one who does not love others “walks in the darkness” (1 Jn 2:11), “remains in death” (1 Jn 3:14) and “does not know God” (1 Jn 4:8). Benedict XVI has said that “closing our eyes to our neighbour also blinds us to God”,[209] and that love is, in the end, the only light which “can always illuminate a world grown dim and give us the courage needed to keep living and working”.
Man, what a genocidal socialist that guy is!
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: The pope is sitting on more money than god. Let the stupid cunt use his own money
I believe that is what he's doing.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: Smokey420]
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ORLY? Call me when their net worth goes down.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
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I love the Pope he is from my country (Argentina) and has been very progressive in his time as pope. He likes to help the poor! What! Awesome that what its all about!
Check out this link he took away a mansion from a corrupt bishop and made it into a soup kitchen: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/10/28/241391104/bishop-of-bling-mansion-may-become-refuge-for-poor
I am an atheist but I love to see good people doing good things regardless of their faith. He is an example for all of us.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: rougescientist]
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Forcibly redistributing wealth is not charity or a good deed.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
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He is not forcibly redistributing wealth in the case of the corrupt bishop!
He took an abusive and corruptly acquired mansion that was funded and purchased by fraud, The pope is the leader of the Catholic faith and the bishop in this case was his employee. He is under investigation. Im not sure what your point is. Stolen money is not his to spend. This bishop was called the bishop of bling, had a $20,000 bathtub and spent $200,000 on a walk in closet. So its not really redistribution but more like justice pope style. That money is the property of the church, not sure what you mean by redistribution of your own money being bad. The pope can spend as he pleases and if he spends money on helping the desperately poor, I do not see a problem with that.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
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I respectfully disagree,
Here are my arguments against Trickle Down:
As far as the economic theory of Trickle Down. It has not been successful as a theory, the main assumption that fails the theory is that people with extreme amounts of capital will willingly re-invest or trickle down some of their profits to benefit the rest of us. If they did that they would not be at the top today. All they care about is cutting costs and increasing profits, thus making more money, and they will do this at any cost. I am not a communist or a welfare queen, I come from a well off family. My experiences have shown me that the top 0.1% are benefitting by evading taxes and placing the burden on the working rich. If you make 1million a year, you are well off but you have to give 35% of your income to the Gov't. While large multinational corps. get away with paying 8% or less with all the loopholes and offshore banking they pay much less than the actual corporate tax rate. This actually hurts us! IF walmart pays their employees shit, they end up on social welfare programs that take tax revenue to fund, so we end up paying for Walmarts profits. They decide to pay less so they get more $ in profits and shift the burden of paying a living wage to US. Your tax money is forcefully taken from you and redistributed currently. Then we spend 1/3 of that cash on the Military Industrial Complex to fight random wars and establish military bases all over the place. For What!
Here is link tracking money for different groups over time. You can see that the only one that benefits is the VERY top. Not you or me but BIG companies that operate around the world. You are supporting a theory and model that is detrimental to you. http://www.flickr.com/photos/82339134@N06/7644949862/lightbox/
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: Forcibly redistributing wealth is not charity or a good deed.
But it's OK for the wealthy to horde all the wealth
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: rougescientist]
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I don't think you know what trickle down means.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: sweeper54]
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If they acquired that wealth legitimately then its theirs to hoard. Besides wealth is not a zero sum game. Because one person happens to be wealthy does not mean that you have less.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: psyconaught]
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He will always have less. It pisses him off.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
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but thats his fault. Too bad he won't accept responsibility instead of blaming the successful.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: psyconaught]
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
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it is clearly bullshit the rich get more to buy more stuff instead of paying their employees getting more to buy more stuff hmmmm. lets see who would buy more a hundred employees or 1 rich person questions questions ???hmmmmmm??? youd have to be a fuckin idiot to not get that math and not see it's a shit sandwich they are giving people.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
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Basically trickle down economics sucks balls because the government doesn't know how to handle money. AT ALL. Truth is if there was no taxes, if everyone had a higher minimum wage (so they could pay for their lives and be able to SAVE some for emergency), then TDE would work amazingly. Until taxes roll in. The government throws our money around, and then we're now trillions of dollars in debt. The pension plan seems.to be busting and minimum wage is enough to live in a car. TDE doesn't work when everyone who's rich is smart enough to know the government and banks will crumble. What other choice do they have to just hold onto everything they've got?
It's either TDE or the government turns all fascist. No in between from what I can see.
Socialists can only keep pulling money out of their asses for so long.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: lighthouse09]
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lighthouse09 said: it is clearly bullshit the rich get more to buy more stuff instead of paying their employees getting more to buy more stuff hmmmm. lets see who would buy more a hundred employees or 1 rich person questions questions ???hmmmmmm??? youd have to be a fuckin idiot to not get that math and not see it's a shit sandwich they are giving people.
If the company owners paid the employees more the goods they produce would cost more and the company would lose business to competition and the company would sell fewer goods and employees would have to be let go and they wouldn't be able to buy anything except what the gummint let them buy.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: I don't think you know what trickle down means.
Where's the TRICKLE? They keep hoarding their money and the poor are getting poorer.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: sweeper54]
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The poor are getting poorer because they don't work at all. That has nothing to do with the rich
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: The poor are getting poorer because they don't work at all. That has nothing to do with the rich
As said by every middle class/upper class American. We all seem to start from the bottom mate.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: Mad Season]
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zappaisgod said: The poor are getting poorer because they don't work at all. That has nothing to do with the rich
As said by every middle class/upper class American. We all seem to start from the bottom mate.
I started from the bottom. Guess how I got out. Hint, the government had nothing to do with it.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
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So if you started from the bottom then I bet you went to public school??? If so you used the Gov't. Sorry dude. You ever use a highway to get to your job... Yea that is also gov't money that helped you get to the job. You put gas in your car.. Yea thats the Gov't giving money to the oil industry in subsidies to get us cheaper gas.. You ever sent a piece of mail with your job application.. mail system is gov't operated. I could go on....
If you went to private school you probably did not start from the bottom.....
This is the problem with you guys.. You think that you are so independent but in reality you are just like everyone else. We live in a SOCIETY not a free for all. We have vested interests in others. We need schools, we need a healthy workforce, we need public transit, we need a highway system, because all these factors contribute to our overall prosperity. So stop arguing against yourself you are only harming your interests and the future prosperity of your kids.
You are kinda wrong sir. REALLY wrong.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
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If the company owners paid the employees more the goods they produce would cost more and the company would lose business to competition and the company would sell fewer goods and employees would have to be let go and they wouldn't be able to buy anything except what the gummint let them buy.
Costco seems to be doing alright by paying their employees a good wage and providing health care to their employees. They have a much higher rate of loyalty, work harder because they are happy, steal less and don't miss work as much. Here is a link to back up my claim from The Harvard Business Review: http://hbr.org/2006/12/the-high-cost-of-low-wages/ar/1
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: rougescientist]
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then you should be supporting costco instead of other business's that don't treat employee's well. Utilize the market. But don't bring government into it. Ultimately if people actually cared about wal-mart employees they wouldn't shop there. Also you cannot compare every business model to what costco does.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: psyconaught]
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psyconaught said: then you should be supporting costco instead of other business's that don't treat employee's well. Utilize the market. But don't bring government into it. Ultimately if people actually cared about wal-mart employees they wouldn't shop there. Also you cannot compare every business model to what costco does.
Sure I agree. But, it shows that the costco model does work in practice. It also shows that its a model that operates at a profit in the market. And, it debunks the fear mongering that many use for political gain. Not saying that its a model that should be forced just saying that its possible, and we won't become a marxist state just because people are paid a good wage unlike what some would have you believe.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: rougescientist]
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The costco business model is different that most standard product vendors as they deal in bulk. Therefore it is not feasible to compare them to walmart or mcdonalds etc. You cannot shoe horn every business model into being able to afford the same labor costs.
I was actually reading the other day about how the walmart higher ups support the minimum wage hike. Why you may ask? Because they would be able to easily absorb the cost while smaller competitors will not, thus putting smaller mom and pop shops out of business. Regulations tend to safeguard corporate giants because they can easily comply, while smaller competitors often run at much smaller margins and cannot afford an increase in operating costs without either increasing the price of goods/services or laying off personnel.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: The poor are getting poorer because they don't work at all. That has nothing to do with the rich
This is about people who do work and still don't have enough you have already lost this argument when you say all poor people are lazy but that you yourself were poor once so you don't even respect yourself or have common sense. the poor are getting poorer because they get paid shit and yes everyone is make ing less these days but you may have been successful in the past but it is much much harder to do that today when you get paid less and everything is more expensive. Also i don't shop at walmart because they are douche bags, I almost always find a small business to support despite sometimes paying more for it because they actually deserve it and i realize they are people just like me not corporate assholes.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: rougescientist]
#19254434 - 12/10/13 09:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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rougescientist said: So if you started from the bottom then I bet you went to public school??? If so you used the Gov't. Sorry dude. You ever use a highway to get to your job... Yea that is also gov't money that helped you get to the job. You put gas in your car.. Yea thats the Gov't giving money to the oil industry in subsidies to get us cheaper gas.. You ever sent a piece of mail with your job application.. mail system is gov't operated.
This nonsense never ends. There is no gov't money. It is taken from citizens and a dwindling proportion of them at that. Every time I used the mail system I paid for a stamp. I went to a private high school on a merit scholarship because the gummint school sucked. You do know that gummint schools suck, right? Oil subsidies? Just becxause you don;t take oney from somebody doesn't mean you are giving them something. Since I didn't take your computer does that mean I gave you a computer?Quote:
I could go on....
If you went to private school you probably did not start from the bottom.....
Merit scholarship. My parents gave me 2 grand when I graduated college. That was itQuote:
This is the problem with you guys.. You think that you are so independent but in reality you are just like everyone else. We live in a SOCIETY not a free for all. We have vested interests in others. We need schools, we need a healthy workforce, we need public transit, we need a highway system, because all these factors contribute to our overall prosperity. So stop arguing against yourself you are only harming your interests and the future prosperity of your kids.
You are kinda wrong sir. REALLY wrong.
The government has done more to hinder my business endeavors than to facilitate them. Further, the vast majority of the population are net drains on the nation. My children would be better off under a non welfare state. They will make their own way. I have one at Boston Law school, one at Penn pursuing a PhD and another at the Parsons School of Design. You need to be protected from my children because you can't compete
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
#19254513 - 12/10/13 09:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Further, the vast majority of the population are net drains on the nation.
How is that even possible ? Would The nation be better off if the vast majority of the population left? Who's backs would rich people get richer off of? What income level do you have to be at to not fall into the net drain category ? Just wanna know where I'm at.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: qman]
#19255025 - 12/10/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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qman said: It appears the new Pope is getting increasingly more popular among liberals, as he calls for socialism instead of capitalism across the globe. Many conservative Catholics are confused as their spiritual leader decouples from their ideology.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/pope-denounces-trickle-down-economics-which-has-never-been-confirmed-by-the-facts
http://www.infowars.com/jesuit-trained-pope-trashes-capitalism-in-call-for-worldwide-socialism/
As the average US citizen continues to struggle economically, and the inequality of wealth also continues to favor the rich at a alarming rate, the Pope might find plenty of support for his economic stance.
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i does seem to have split a rift in the conservative religous people wich isn't hard they are so full of hate they are against but still with the pope and don't know wether to try and argue him because then they going against god plain and simple you can't say the pope isn't holy so.... he is forcing people to to think and not just follow their leaders or what they have been told by the gov. blindly at the very least.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: psilynut]
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Further, the vast majority of the population are net drains on the nation.
How is that even possible ? Would The nation be better off if the vast majority of the population left? Who's backs would rich people get richer off of? What income level do you have to be at to not fall into the net drain category ? Just wanna know where I'm at.
About the top 15%
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
#19255573 - 12/10/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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? Does household income count or does it have to be individual? How many of our armed service personnel fall into that 15% . Are they a net drain also?
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: psilynut]
#19255620 - 12/10/13 02:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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armed and social services they make shit and work at shit jobs.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: psilynut]
#19255633 - 12/10/13 02:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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psilynut said: ? Does household income count or does it have to be individual?
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How many of our armed service personnel fall into that 15% . Are they a net drain also?
None of them, as far as I know, and yes, they come under the category of expense.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: lighthouse09]
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lighthouse09 said: armed and social services they make shit and work at shit jobs.
when was the last time the armed services were engaged in a war actually necessary? Defense Spending is what most of the American Government spends at least, it seems the most obvious that they would have some fat to trim.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
#19262056 - 12/11/13 07:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Not taxing business (tax breaks) is the opposite of meddling. I don't know what other "economic benefits" means.
Trickle down economics has nothing to do with the government at all. It is the idea that people who make a lot of money will spend a lot of money and employ others down the line who in turn will spend money that employs yet others. Wealth is not finite.
This has been proven incorrect though. Demand is what is important. People won't hire more people than they need and they only need more people if people have money to buy stuff. The largest businesses are sitting on trillions and have no place to invest. The wealth is stagnating and that's a problem. The race to the bottom the world over will continue this trend.
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