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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: lighthouse09]
    #19250884 - 12/09/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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it is clearly bullshit the rich get more to buy more stuff instead of paying their employees getting more to buy more stuff hmmmm. lets see who would buy more a hundred employees or 1 rich person questions questions ???hmmmmmm???
youd have to be a fuckin idiot to not get that math and not see it's a shit sandwich they are giving people.




:facepalm:If the company owners paid the employees more the goods they produce would cost more and the company would lose business to competition and the company would sell fewer goods and employees would have to be let go and they wouldn't be able to buy anything except what the gummint let them buy.


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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19251300 - 12/09/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't think you know what trickle down means.




Where's the TRICKLE? They keep hoarding their money and the poor are getting poorer.

"SHOW ME THE TRICKLE"


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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: sweeper54]
    #19251393 - 12/09/13 05:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The poor are getting poorer because they don't work at all.  That has nothing to do with the rich


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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19251421 - 12/09/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The poor are getting poorer because they don't work at all.  That has nothing to do with the rich



As said by every middle class/upper class American. We all seem to start from the bottom mate.


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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: Mad Season]
    #19251505 - 12/09/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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zappaisgod said:
The poor are getting poorer because they don't work at all.  That has nothing to do with the rich



As said by every middle class/upper class American. We all seem to start from the bottom mate.



I started from the bottom.  Guess how I got out.  Hint, the government had nothing to do with it.


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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19252089 - 12/09/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So if you started from the bottom then I bet you went to public school??? If so you used the Gov't. Sorry dude.
You ever use a highway to get to your job... Yea that is also gov't money that helped you get to the job.
You put gas in your car.. Yea thats the Gov't giving money to the oil industry in subsidies to get us cheaper gas..
You ever sent a piece of mail with your job application.. mail system is gov't operated.
I could go on....

If you went to private school you probably did not start from the bottom.....

This is the problem with you guys.. You think that you are so independent but in reality you are just like everyone else. We live in a SOCIETY not a free for all. We have vested interests in others. We need schools, we need a healthy workforce, we need public transit, we need a highway system, because all these factors contribute to our overall prosperity. So stop arguing against yourself you are only harming your interests and the future prosperity of your kids.

You are kinda wrong sir. REALLY wrong.


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Invisiblerougescientist
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19252204 - 12/09/13 07:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:facepalm:If the company owners paid the employees more the goods they produce would cost more and the company would lose business to competition and the company would sell fewer goods and employees would have to be let go and they wouldn't be able to buy anything except what the gummint let them buy.




Costco seems to be doing alright by paying their employees a good wage and providing health care to their employees. They have a much higher rate of loyalty, work harder because they are happy, steal less and don't miss work as much.
Here is a link to back up my claim from The Harvard Business Review:
http://hbr.org/2006/12/the-high-cost-of-low-wages/ar/1


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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: rougescientist]
    #19252237 - 12/09/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

then you should be supporting costco instead of other business's that don't treat employee's well. Utilize the market. But don't bring government into it. Ultimately if people actually cared about wal-mart employees they wouldn't shop there. Also you cannot compare every business model to what costco does.


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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: psyconaught]
    #19252301 - 12/09/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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then you should be supporting costco instead of other business's that don't treat employee's well. Utilize the market. But don't bring government into it. Ultimately if people actually cared about wal-mart employees they wouldn't shop there. Also you cannot compare every business model to what costco does.




Sure I agree. But, it shows that the costco model does work in practice. It also shows that its a model that operates at a profit in the market. And, it debunks the fear mongering that many use for political gain. Not saying that its a model that should be forced just saying that its possible, and we won't become a marxist state just because people are paid a good wage unlike what some would have you believe.


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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: rougescientist]
    #19252332 - 12/09/13 08:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The costco business model is different that most standard product vendors as they deal in bulk. Therefore it is not feasible to compare them to walmart or mcdonalds etc. You cannot shoe horn every business model into being able to afford the same labor costs.

I was actually reading the other day about how the walmart higher ups support the minimum wage hike. Why you may ask? Because they would be able to easily absorb the cost while smaller competitors will not, thus putting smaller mom and pop shops out of business. :themoreyouknow: Regulations tend to safeguard corporate giants because they can easily comply, while smaller competitors often run at much smaller margins and cannot afford an increase in operating costs without either increasing the price of goods/services or laying off personnel.


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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19252586 - 12/09/13 09:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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zappaisgod said:
The poor are getting poorer because they don't work at all.  That has nothing to do with the rich




This is about people who do work and still don't have enough you have already lost this argument when you say all poor people are lazy but that you yourself were poor once so you don't even respect yourself or have common sense. the poor are getting poorer because they get paid shit and yes everyone is make ing less these days but you may have been successful in the past but it is much much harder to do that today when you get paid less and everything is more expensive.
Also i don't shop at walmart because they are douche bags, I almost always find a small business to support despite sometimes paying more for it because they actually deserve it and i realize they are people just like me not corporate assholes.


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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: rougescientist]
    #19254434 - 12/10/13 09:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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rougescientist said:
So if you started from the bottom then I bet you went to public school??? If so you used the Gov't. Sorry dude.
You ever use a highway to get to your job... Yea that is also gov't money that helped you get to the job.
You put gas in your car.. Yea thats the Gov't giving money to the oil industry in subsidies to get us cheaper gas..
You ever sent a piece of mail with your job application.. mail system is gov't operated.


  This nonsense never ends.  There is no gov't money.  It is taken from citizens and a dwindling proportion of them at that.  Every time I used the mail system I paid for a stamp.  I went to a private high school on a merit scholarship because the gummint school sucked.  You do know that gummint schools suck, right? Oil subsidies?  Just becxause you don;t take oney from somebody doesn't mean you are giving them something.  Since I didn't take your computer does that mean I gave you a computer?
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I could go on....

If you went to private school you probably did not start from the bottom.....




Merit scholarship.  My parents gave me 2 grand when I graduated college.  That was it
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This is the problem with you guys.. You think that you are so independent but in reality you are just like everyone else. We live in a SOCIETY not a free for all. We have vested interests in others. We need schools, we need a healthy workforce, we need public transit, we need a highway system, because all these factors contribute to our overall prosperity. So stop arguing against yourself you are only harming your interests and the future prosperity of your kids.

You are kinda wrong sir. REALLY wrong.




The government has done more to hinder my business endeavors than to facilitate them.  Further, the vast majority of the population are net drains on the nation.  My children would be better off under a non welfare state.  They will make their own way.  I have one at Boston Law school, one at Penn pursuing a PhD and another at the Parsons School of Design.  You need to be protected from my children because you can't compete


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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19254513 - 12/10/13 09:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Further, the vast majority of the population are net drains on the nation. 




How is that even possible ?  Would  The nation be better off if the vast majority of the  population left? Who's backs would rich people get richer off of? What income level do you have to be at to not fall into the net drain category ? Just wanna know where I'm at.


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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: qman]
    #19255025 - 12/10/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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It appears the new Pope is getting increasingly more popular among liberals, as he calls for socialism instead of capitalism across the globe. Many conservative Catholics are confused as their spiritual leader decouples from their ideology.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/pope-denounces-trickle-down-economics-which-has-never-been-confirmed-by-the-facts

http://www.infowars.com/jesuit-trained-pope-trashes-capitalism-in-call-for-worldwide-socialism/

As the average US citizen continues to struggle economically, and the inequality of wealth also continues to favor the rich at a alarming rate, the Pope might find plenty of support for his economic stance.




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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #19255125 - 12/10/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i does seem to have split a rift in the conservative religous people wich isn't hard they are so full of hate they are against but still with the pope and don't know wether to try and argue him because then they going against god plain and simple you can't say the pope isn't holy so.... he is forcing people to to think and not just follow their leaders or what they have been told by the gov. blindly at the very least.


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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: psilynut]
    #19255293 - 12/10/13 12:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Further, the vast majority of the population are net drains on the nation. 




How is that even possible ?  Would  The nation be better off if the vast majority of the  population left? Who's backs would rich people get richer off of? What income level do you have to be at to not fall into the net drain category ? Just wanna know where I'm at.




About the top 15%


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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19255573 - 12/10/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

? Does household income count or does it have to be individual?
How many of our armed service personnel fall into that 15% . Are they a net drain also?


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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: psilynut]
    #19255620 - 12/10/13 02:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

armed and social services they make shit and work at shit jobs.


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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: psilynut]
    #19255633 - 12/10/13 02:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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? Does household income count or does it have to be individual?




Tax payers
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How many of our armed service personnel fall into that 15% . Are they a net drain also?




None of them, as far as I know, and yes, they come under the category of expense.


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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: lighthouse09]
    #19258451 - 12/11/13 01:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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armed and social services they make shit and work at shit jobs.




when was the last time the armed services were engaged in a war actually necessary? Defense Spending is what most of the American Government spends at least, it seems the most obvious that they would have some fat to trim.


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