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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: qman]
    #19209307 - 11/30/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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It appears the new Pope is getting increasingly more popular among liberals, as he calls for socialism instead of capitalism across the globe. Many conservative Catholics are confused as their spiritual leader decouples from their ideology.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/pope-denounces-trickle-down-economics-which-has-never-been-confirmed-by-the-facts

http://www.infowars.com/jesuit-trained-pope-trashes-capitalism-in-call-for-worldwide-socialism/

As the average US citizen continues to struggle economically, and the inequality of wealth also continues to favor the rich at a alarming rate, the Pope might find plenty of support for his economic stance.




The pope preaching christian morals? What has the world come to?!?




Some people would question that socialism = christian morals.




Some people would question where "socialism" was advocated by Pope Francis.


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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19209328 - 11/30/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I am amazed that after all these years people are still loyal to a Pope/Ceasar in Rome. And after all the hindering of progress and genocide al inquisitions and mass murder they conducted in their religions name of the centuries people still want to participate in it, because they think the Pope is god's man on this planet...

I can never over estimate the stupidity of humans.

:picard:




That is an incredibly myopic view of Catholicism and history. Consider the catalog of saints that Catholicism has fostered, for instance. These people were devoted to spreading compassionate action, oftentimes leading to martyrdom or incurable sickness (e.g., leprosy). Moreover, incredibly bright people endorse Christianity and have since its inception (e.g., from scientists like Francis Collins to analytic philosophers like Paul Moser). Ultimately, Catholicism characterizes humans as sinful, so it is rather unsurprising to Catholics that empowered humans would wield their might in a wicked manner (e.g., Christians burning Jewish synagogues).

Next time it's Thanksgiving, count how many homeless people are being fed because of Christian charities.


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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: cactologist] * 1
    #19209344 - 11/30/13 05:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Since I am, seemingly, the only one who actually read Pope Francis's words, let me quote from him:

  • Business is a vocation, and a noble vocation, provided that those engaged in it see themselves challenged by a greater meaning in life; this will enable them truly to serve the common good by striving to increase the goods of this world and to make them more accessible to all.
  • The culture of prosperity deadens us; we are thrilled if the market offers us something new to purchase; and in the meantime all those lives stunted for lack of opportunity seem a mere spectacle; they fail to move us.
  • When preaching is faithful to the Gospel, the centrality of certain truths is evident and it becomes clear that Christian morality is not a form of stoicism, or self-denial, or merely a practical philosophy or a catalogue of sins and faults. Before all else, the Gospel invites us to respond to the God of love who saves us, to see God in others and to go forth from ourselves to seek the good of others. Under no circumstance can this invitation be obscured! All of the virtues are at the service of this response of love. If this invitation does not radiate forcefully and attractively, the edifice of the Church’s moral teaching risks becoming a house of cards, and this is our greatest risk. It would mean that it is not the Gospel which is being preached, but certain doctrinal or moral points based on specific ideological options. The message will run the risk of losing its freshness and will cease to have "the fragrance of the Gospel".
  • There are Christians whose lives seem like Lent without Easter.
  • More than by fear of going astray, my hope is that we will be moved by the fear of remaining shut up within structures which give us a false sense of security, within rules which make us harsh judges, within habits which make us feel safe, while at our door people are starving and Jesus does not tire of saying to us: “Give them something to eat” (Mk 6:37).
  • Loving others is a spiritual force drawing us to union with God; indeed, one who does not love others “walks in the darkness” (1 Jn 2:11), “remains in death” (1 Jn 3:14) and “does not know God” (1 Jn 4:8). Benedict XVI has said that “closing our eyes to our neighbour also blinds us to God”,[209] and that love is, in the end, the only light which “can always illuminate a world grown dim and give us the courage needed to keep living and working”.


Man, what a genocidal socialist that guy is!


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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: qman]
    #19237814 - 12/06/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Pope actually talks about helping the poor.
Conservatives freak out. Hilarity ensues.
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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: Smokey420]
    #19237820 - 12/06/13 06:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The pope is sitting on more money than god.  Let the stupid cunt use his own money


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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: cactologist]
    #19237823 - 12/06/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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cactologist said:
Since I am, seemingly, the only one who actually read Pope Francis's words, let me quote from him:

  • Business is a vocation, and a noble vocation, provided that those engaged in it see themselves challenged by a greater meaning in life; this will enable them truly to serve the common good by striving to increase the goods of this world and to make them more accessible to all.
  • The culture of prosperity deadens us; we are thrilled if the market offers us something new to purchase; and in the meantime all those lives stunted for lack of opportunity seem a mere spectacle; they fail to move us.
  • When preaching is faithful to the Gospel, the centrality of certain truths is evident and it becomes clear that Christian morality is not a form of stoicism, or self-denial, or merely a practical philosophy or a catalogue of sins and faults. Before all else, the Gospel invites us to respond to the God of love who saves us, to see God in others and to go forth from ourselves to seek the good of others. Under no circumstance can this invitation be obscured! All of the virtues are at the service of this response of love. If this invitation does not radiate forcefully and attractively, the edifice of the Church’s moral teaching risks becoming a house of cards, and this is our greatest risk. It would mean that it is not the Gospel which is being preached, but certain doctrinal or moral points based on specific ideological options. The message will run the risk of losing its freshness and will cease to have "the fragrance of the Gospel".
  • There are Christians whose lives seem like Lent without Easter.
  • More than by fear of going astray, my hope is that we will be moved by the fear of remaining shut up within structures which give us a false sense of security, within rules which make us harsh judges, within habits which make us feel safe, while at our door people are starving and Jesus does not tire of saying to us: “Give them something to eat” (Mk 6:37).
  • Loving others is a spiritual force drawing us to union with God; indeed, one who does not love others “walks in the darkness” (1 Jn 2:11), “remains in death” (1 Jn 3:14) and “does not know God” (1 Jn 4:8). Benedict XVI has said that “closing our eyes to our neighbour also blinds us to God”,[209] and that love is, in the end, the only light which “can always illuminate a world grown dim and give us the courage needed to keep living and working”.


Man, what a genocidal socialist that guy is!



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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19237834 - 12/06/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The pope is sitting on more money than god.  Let the stupid cunt use his own money




I believe that is what he's doing.


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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: Smokey420]
    #19237869 - 12/06/13 06:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

ORLY?  Call me when their net worth goes down.


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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19249486 - 12/09/13 10:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I love the Pope he is from my country (Argentina) and has been very progressive in his time as pope. He likes to help the poor! What! Awesome that what its all about!

Check out this link he took away a mansion from a corrupt bishop and made it into a soup kitchen:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/10/28/241391104/bishop-of-bling-mansion-may-become-refuge-for-poor

I am an atheist but I love to see good people doing good things regardless of their faith. He is an example for all of us.


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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: rougescientist]
    #19249493 - 12/09/13 10:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Forcibly redistributing wealth is not charity or a good deed.


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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19249527 - 12/09/13 10:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

He is not forcibly redistributing wealth in the case of the corrupt bishop!

He took an abusive and corruptly acquired mansion that was funded and purchased by fraud, The pope is the leader of the Catholic faith and the bishop in this case was his employee. He is under investigation. Im not sure what your point is. Stolen money is not his to spend. This bishop was called the bishop of bling, had a $20,000 bathtub and spent $200,000 on a walk in closet. So its not really redistribution but more like justice pope style. That money is the property of the church, not sure what you mean by redistribution of your own money being bad. The pope can spend as he pleases and if he spends money on helping the desperately poor, I do not see a problem with that.


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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19249616 - 12/09/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I respectfully disagree,

Here are my arguments against Trickle Down:

As far as the economic theory of Trickle Down. It has not been successful as a theory, the main assumption that fails the theory is that people with extreme amounts of capital will willingly re-invest or trickle down some of their profits to benefit the rest of us. If they did that they would not be at the top today. All they care about is cutting costs and increasing profits, thus making more money, and they will do this at any cost.
I am not a communist or a welfare queen, I come from a well off family. My experiences have shown me that the top 0.1% are benefitting by evading taxes and placing the burden on the working rich. If you make 1million a year, you are well off but you have to give 35% of your income to the Gov't. While large multinational corps. get away with paying 8% or less with all the loopholes and offshore banking they pay much less than the actual corporate tax rate. This actually hurts us! IF walmart pays their employees shit, they end up on social welfare programs that take tax revenue to fund, so we end up paying for Walmarts profits. They decide to pay less so they get more $ in profits and shift the burden of paying a living wage to US. Your tax money is forcefully taken from you and redistributed currently. Then we spend 1/3 of that cash on the Military Industrial Complex to fight random wars and establish military bases all over the place. For What! 


Here is link tracking money for different groups over time. You can see that the only one that benefits is the VERY top. Not you or me but BIG companies that operate around the world. You are supporting a theory and model that is detrimental to you.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/82339134@N06/7644949862/lightbox/


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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19250624 - 12/09/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Forcibly redistributing wealth is not charity or a good deed.




But it's OK for the wealthy to horde all the wealth


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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: rougescientist]
    #19250631 - 12/09/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think you know what trickle down means.


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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: sweeper54]
    #19250641 - 12/09/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If they acquired that wealth legitimately then its theirs to hoard. Besides wealth is not a zero sum game. Because one person happens to be wealthy does not mean that you have less.


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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: psyconaught]
    #19250652 - 12/09/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

He will always have less.  It pisses him off.


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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19250658 - 12/09/13 03:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

but thats his fault. Too bad he won't accept responsibility instead of blaming the successful.


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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: psyconaught]
    #19250680 - 12/09/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Everybody with a mullet knows he is trash


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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19250788 - 12/09/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

it is clearly bullshit the rich get more to buy more stuff instead of paying their employees getting more to buy more stuff hmmmm. lets see who would buy more a hundred employees or 1 rich person questions questions ???hmmmmmm???
youd have to be a fuckin idiot to not get that math and not see it's a shit sandwich they are giving people.


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Re: Pope denounces trickle down economics [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19250818 - 12/09/13 03:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Basically trickle down economics sucks balls because the government doesn't know how to handle money. AT ALL. Truth is if there was no taxes, if everyone had a higher minimum wage (so they could pay for their lives and be able to SAVE some for emergency), then TDE would work amazingly. Until taxes roll in. The government throws our money around, and then we're now trillions of dollars in debt. The pension plan seems.to be busting and minimum wage is enough to live in a car. TDE doesn't work when everyone who's rich is smart enough to know the government and banks will crumble. What other choice do they have to just hold onto everything they've got?

It's either TDE or the government turns all fascist. No in between from what I can see.

Socialists can only keep pulling money out of their asses for so long.


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