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juggaloblink420
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Pinning before frosting layer is fully colonized
#19197257 - 11/27/13 04:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Used 5 quarts of spawn, 1 brick of coir, 3 quarts of fine verm and 4 quarts of water for my 19 gallon tub on the November 11'th while colonizing in indirect light.
Noticed a couple of days ago that the tubs were around 65-75% colonized and thought they would progress over the next week or so, next time I looked it had a couple pins going.
I believe the top layer just dried up or something and wasn't going to colonize so I went ahead and put them into fruiting.
What are some of you more experienced peoples opinions on it as of now, think the overlay is just dried up, or should I of waited until it was done, also do you think I should have any issues with contams?
When I stuffed with polyfil everything smelled pretty normal so i'm just not sure.

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Re: Pinning before frosting layer is fully colonized [Re: juggaloblink420]
#19197262 - 11/27/13 04:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's not overlay. Using a "frosting layer" often does this. It shouldn't cause a problem, but I personally like to just mix my spawn and sub completely together. The frosting layer just causes problems for no benefit.
You also didn't add enough water. I'd dunk that thing if I were you, or at least pour in a little water so it can absorb. For a brick of coir and 2 quarts of verm, you need 5 quarts of water. For what you used, I'd do 5 full quarts and then add probably 300 ml more water.
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Re: Pinning before frosting layer is fully colonized [Re: juggaloblink420]
#19197267 - 11/27/13 04:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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forget about the overlay it's not a cube issue, this is y alot of people are avoiding the top layer all together, you now have a casing layer lol
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Re: Pinning before frosting layer is fully colonized [Re: juggaloblink420]
#19197276 - 11/27/13 04:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Chances are it's contamination. I've never seen pins before 100% colonization unless I had contamination.
4 quarts of water to a brick of coir + 3 quarts of verm is a little low on water amount I would have done 4.5-5 quarts with that much verm added, but still it shouldn't have caused that big of a problem(should have still got to 100%) and then you can just mist away.
The 11th is more than two weeks now. It should have been at 100% of very friggen close by now so with how patchy it still looks I say contams
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Re: Pinning before frosting layer is fully colonized [Re: cronicr]
#19197282 - 11/27/13 04:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
cronicr said: forget about the overlay it's not a cube issue, this is y alot of people are avoiding the top layer all together, you now have a casing layer lol
Who say's they are cubes =P
also, the overlay is just outdated info then? It's ok to leave grain uncovered? And everyone thinks we're a-ok?
Sounds sweet.
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Re: Pinning before frosting layer is fully colonized [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19197297 - 11/27/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i see no contams but give Quote:
36fuckin5 said: It's not overlay. Using a "frosting layer" often does this. It shouldn't cause a problem, but I personally like to just mix my spawn and sub completely together. The frosting layer just causes problems for no benefit.
You also didn't add enough water. I'd dunk that thing if I were you, or at least pour in a little water so it can absorb. For a brick of coir and 2 quarts of verm, you need 5 quarts of water. For what you used, I'd do 5 full quarts and then add probably 300 ml more water.
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Re: Pinning before frosting layer is fully colonized [Re: cronicr]
#19197312 - 11/27/13 04:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, the last time I grew a couple months back, I used 5 quarts spawn, 3 quarts fine verm, 1 brick with 4.5 quarts of water and thought it was to much water, even though it gave me around 9 oz per tub. So this try it basically experimenting I guess. We will see soon ( I hope )
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Re: Pinning before frosting layer is fully colonized [Re: juggaloblink420]
#19197319 - 11/27/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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How the hell could it be too much water with results like that?
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Re: Pinning before frosting layer is fully colonized [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19197330 - 11/27/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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That was over 3 flush's haha, I just saw pooling so figured I would use less?
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Re: Pinning before frosting layer is fully colonized [Re: juggaloblink420]
#19197341 - 11/27/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh, well that makes sense. If you're gonna talk about yields per tub, we're usually talking first flush unless you make a distinction.
Pooling can be bad, but if you're using the proper amount of water and verm and you mix it well, it should work itself back in.
I can promise that if you used a standard ~650 gram brick (like the Eco Earth brand most of us use) and 3 quarts of verm that 4.5 quarts of water did NOT overhydrate it. It does need mixed very well after hydration, though. It takes me about 10-15 minutes per tub to mix it well, and I'm pretty fast at it.
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Re: Pinning before frosting layer is fully colonized [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19197378 - 11/27/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah it was eco earth, next time I will try another 3 tubs, 1 with 4 quarts, 1 with 4.5 and 1 with 5 and see which does better.
Mixing in a bucket is a pain in my ass haha, Come tax time I will be building a flowhood along with a All American Model #941 41.5 Qt. Pressure Cooker,and a clean room to start working with agar/isolates to finally get down to the nitty gritty.
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Re: Pinning before frosting layer is fully colonized [Re: juggaloblink420]
#19197392 - 11/27/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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So don't mix it in the bucket. Mix it in the tub.
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Re: Pinning before frosting layer is fully colonized [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19197488 - 11/27/13 05:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Frosting layer is counterproductive imo
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Re: Pinning before frosting layer is fully colonized [Re: Stromrider]
#19197644 - 11/27/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, come to think of it I can remember seeing you tell some other guy a year ago about how they are un-needed anymore. I just figured it was the "norm". We will see how it goes I guess. Thanks everyone!
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Re: Pinning before frosting layer is fully colonized [Re: juggaloblink420]
#19197704 - 11/27/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah you just ended up with a nutritous casing layer lol. I know cause i do the same thing. Ill stop on the next hehe.
Dont see any contams but it does look dry . You know what feild capacity is right? If not just search it. And grow on!
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Re: Pinning before frosting layer is fully colonized [Re: juggaloblink420]
#19198211 - 11/27/13 08:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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OK, we have a problem here with terminology.
'Frosting Layer' refers to the bad practice of leaving a layer of grains exposed on the surface.
Covering the exposed grains with a bit of coir or whatever substrate is the correct thing to do.
Coir often starts fruiting before it's fully colonized. Many times it's from looking at it too much, lowering the CO2 level which is a pinning trigger. RR
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Re: Pinning before frosting layer is fully colonized [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19198412 - 11/27/13 09:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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RR myself and many others growing cubes in monotubs are going to have to respectively disagree. Many of us have found no issues with mixing it all evenly and having a few exposed grains. Although we've found many issues with adding a thin layer of coir to the top of the mixture such as vastly increased colonization times and higher contamination rates
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Re: Pinning before frosting layer is fully colonized [Re: Stromrider]
#19198485 - 11/27/13 09:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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you seem to be on the right track
A picture to maybe help keep hopes high for your tub OP
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