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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: tealeaf]
#19193050 - 11/26/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/product/fluka/p1334?lang=en®ion=US
this apparently proves they can but I still have a hard time believing it, if there was an lsd sniffing dog, it would be in Portland, San Francisco, or Seattle.................Scotch Plains, NJ...............suuuuuuuuuuuuure
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: tealeaf]
#19193061 - 11/26/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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YA what if it was synthetic Lsd jesus christ chinese rap.
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: tealeaf]
#19193097 - 11/26/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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tealeaf said: http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/product/fluka/p1334?lang=en®ion=US
this apparently proves they can but I still have a hard time believing it, if there was an lsd sniffing dog, it would be in Portland, San Francisco, or Seattle.................Scotch Plains, NJ...............suuuuuuuuuuuuure
Right. Because even though PD's nationwide are buying tanks and armored troop carriers, a LSD sniffing dog is out of the question.
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#19193112 - 11/26/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Like I mentioned earlier, there should be a record of what this specific dog is certified in alerting on. It really shouldn't be too difficult to find out what dog was used and what the dogs certifications are. Anyone in NJ up for doing their own investigation of this case?
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19193712 - 11/26/13 07:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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No regular police k9 smells LSD.
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#19194085 - 11/26/13 08:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms is right. dogs can be "certified" to sniff LSD. accuracy, if any, is not an issue here; it could be used as legal evidence in court, whether legit, a false positive, or a conspiracy to plant evidence. i would not ever doubt the willingness of police to waste taxpayer dollars on new toys (or in this case, pets).
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: Carbon_Black]
#19194500 - 11/26/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I hope this dude's attorney is wise enough to ask the prosecution to provide documentation stating that the dog was trained(with proof) to alert on the odor of LSD. I would find it highly unlikely that the dog was trained to find LSD. If they can prove that the dog was not trained to alert to LSD I think it would at least give the guy a chance at getting the package throwin out. No package, no case. That's just my humble opinion though.
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: Boomers420]
#19195277 - 11/27/13 07:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Boomers420 said: I hope this dude's attorney is wise enough to ask the prosecution to provide documentation stating that the dog was trained(with proof) to alert on the odor of LSD. I would find it highly unlikely that the dog was trained to find LSD. If they can prove that the dog was not trained to alert to LSD I think it would at least give the guy a chance at getting the package throwin out. No package, no case. That's just my humble opinion though.
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yeah and then they go back to what I said.....There was faint cannabis residue from the person that packaged it......The dog wasn't talking to the police telling them what exactly it smelled.....
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: trampis]
#19195415 - 11/27/13 08:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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trampis said: This is very suspect. It's highly unlikely that there are many (if any) dogs trained to sniff out LSD, and the odds of the police just happening to have the rare dog that is on hand. Also, it would seem highly probable that anything sent through the mail would be vacuum sealed. This reeks of horseshit. The cops probably gave some signal to the dog that in turn made it give them the signal that it had detected something.
This. I have a feeling with a high powered attorney this case could go away for unlawful search. An anonymous tip is not grounds to do the type of operation that they did. That's one hell of a tip!
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: Magicman69]
#19195425 - 11/27/13 08:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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maybe we should all buy one of these dog testing kits things so we don't get nbomed.
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: Jesus Cristo] 1
#19195442 - 11/27/13 08:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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We'll take it to festivals.
Whenever it sniffs out NBOME it'll bark loudly and bite the nut sack of the person holding the drug.
Everyone will be hesitant about buying fake LSD ever again
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#19195470 - 11/27/13 08:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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allseeingike said: from what i understand dogs are trained to sniff out one thing at a time usually they go for the more popular drugs ( weed coke heroin etc) how did they no to get a dog specifically to sniff out lsd? and i am sure this was not crystal probably blotters or maybe another medium probably wasnt even that much lsd either but he sounds like he got set up
I think your understanding is wrong.
When the cops show up to do a drug search do they bring one dog or several?
While no-one claimed the dog was specially trained for LSD, it stands to reason since the cops showed up based on a package (sure seems like they received a tip) that they'd bring one trained for what they expected to find.
Further, since they had to borrow a dog from a not too local town it seems quite likely that they knew just what they would find.
exactly they knew what they where looking for making it more likely he was set up if it was just a suspicious package they would have no way to know hey i think its gonna be lsd in there.
this is scary though whats to stop anyone from shipping drugs to people they dont like and tipping off the cops
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: allseeingike]
#19195736 - 11/27/13 10:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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allseeingike said: this is scary though whats to stop anyone from shipping drugs to people they dont like and tipping off the cops
Nothing. And I think that's exactly what happened in this case. And there's no more serious crimes than drugs except premeditated murder. So anyone can be framed for the most serious crimes in our land and do nothing about it.
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19196742 - 11/27/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is only kind of related, but I was just wondering, on the online black market, are there groups of people that will test blotters and announce if they are actually LSD 25? If so, are these people knowledgeable and trustworthy (not just people advertising their product)?
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: HardTrippin]
#19197166 - 11/27/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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At one point early on in SRs life, back in 2009 I believe, they used to yes. A group would come in and buy a few hits, test to see if they were legit L and then if they tested, would drop and gauge the quality and ug. Now though, it don't go down like that bro.
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#19198746 - 11/27/13 11:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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People in this thread are thinking way too much like drug users and not enough like cops.
Obviously, most drug dogs aren't trained to sniff LSD, but they certainly can be. Is an inner city police agency going to get drugs for that purpose? Probably not. They don't see much LSD.
NJ, however, has MANY municipalities each with its own police force. Those police forces answer to city councils. All it takes for that police force to have an LSD sniffing dog is for someone to have a kid that took something that they THINK is LSD...POOF! The next dog they buy will have LSD certification.
It doesn't even take that. It just takes one news story mentioning LSD, the most dangerous drug in the world, being found within 200 miles...
Never underestimate the willingness of people to spend other people's money.
As far as whether this search is going to hold up...that's going to depend on many factors, most of which are not mentioned in the article.
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: Enlil]
#19198817 - 11/27/13 11:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well from what I understand they just made that Sigma Aldrich LSD scent a few years ago, and at least a few years ago only a dozen dogs had it nationwide. That could be different now and the news article that came from is "404 Not Found" now but I see it referenced all over the web after looking up the scent. no other companies I'm aware of offer an LSD scent formulation.
It doesn't really matter what the dog thinks it smelled though - just that it alerted to something. thats how they get probable cause. That won't be what gets it thrown out unfortunately. what will is the actual chemical analysis through GC/MS that shows the substance is not LSD and an innocent plea. if it actually is LSD or he pleas guilty / no contest, he's in trouble.
LEO don't need a search warrant to search a FedEx package - they just need FedEx's permission, which I'm guessing they didn't have so they called in the dog.
Out of probability I'm gonna say there's at least a 9/10 chance this was a false positive signal because they felt they had enough evidence from the tip that there'd be drugs in the package.
I had an OZ of dank nuggets with the scent reaking out of my pocket once and the dog didn't pick it up. 100mg of LSD is like tip of my finger. experience has shown me dogs don't smell that close. that is just one example I have of several where dogs didn't pick up the scent of drugs in much larger quantities than 100mg. (for instance, stacks of ~23-25 lb bricks of pot in the gas tank)
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: D.M.T]
#19198819 - 11/27/13 11:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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By the way the dog that sniffed this package is named Ollie if anyone knows how to look up his certifications. I do not.
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: D.M.T]
#19198823 - 11/27/13 11:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It doesn't have to be LSD. It just has to be a scheduled substance.
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: Enlil]
#19198831 - 11/27/13 11:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah that's my point. well, part of it. as well as that the dog merely gives probable cause - it doesn't mean he has to be correct.
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