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Offlinemaddad
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Re: What they don't tell you about enlightenment [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19197088 - 11/27/13 03:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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nicechrisman said:
Still gotta chop wood and carry water




Very well said. The Tao Te Ching was a huge influence on me.

Enlightenment is not a state of being that you achieve, or another plane of existence. To me it is understanding your role in this universe, in the here and now. That is what we are all after I assume? To some day find the place where we belong infinitely, in our own minds. What ruins Buddhism for me is that the teachings of the Buddha are to follow your own path, but instead a religious practice was put into place. And now everyone is stuck on his path. The thing is not to get hung up on tradition and methods. Find what works for YOU! Everything will fall into place.


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I live in an aura of hope because I live in a twilight world of my own self-generated, cannabinated fantasy, and I forget that not everyone is so fortunate. - Terence McKenna


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Re: What they don't tell you about enlightenment [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #19197137 - 11/27/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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EternalCowabunga said:
The gurus don't tell you that you will still need to have a job and work long hours if you want to survive
They don't tell you that shitty stuff will still happen to you all the time
You will still experience loss, pain, humiliation and other negative emotions

You may not be able to change lifelong habits
The upside is that these things will only strengthen the love you have for yourself and others

Just my 2 cents




"before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water... after enlightenment chop wood, carry water." -ancient proverb

enlightenment is unobstructed perception not some magic that will fix all of your problems and make life a breeze, if you were expecting that than you were chasing an illusion from the beginning.

The ability to take responsibility for your life and the circumstances you find yourself in is a step in the right direction.


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Re: What they don't tell you about enlightenment [Re: Libertin]
    #19197338 - 11/27/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Libertin said:
Hmm... enlightenment seems like a slippery concept. How do you recognise it? Am I enlightened? How would I know? I guess I'm not because if I was then I would 'just know'.  :rolleyes:



I suspect you would not "know it" in a conventional, intellectual sense.  Your actions and deeds, however, would reflect it.

Ever have a stretch in your life when things just fell into place, and even the shitty stuff worked out in the end?  When you felt like you were "in the groove"?  When your "pulse" seemed in sync with the pulse of the universe?

If yes, then you've experienced "enlightenment."


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Re: What they don't tell you about enlightenment [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #19199102 - 11/28/13 01:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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EternalCowabunga said:
The gurus don't tell you that you will still need to have a job and work long hours if you want to survive
They don't tell you that shitty stuff will still happen to you all the time
You will still experience loss, pain, humiliation and other negative emotions

You may not be able to change lifelong habits
The upside is that these things will only strengthen the love you have for yourself and others

Just my 2 cents





I don't understand, why would you think that you wouldn't need to have a job?


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Re: What they don't tell you about enlightenment [Re: Deviate]
    #19201753 - 11/28/13 05:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Who needs a job when you've ascended into the 5th dimension?


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Re: What they don't tell you about enlightenment [Re: Deviate]
    #19201763 - 11/28/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Deviate said:
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EternalCowabunga said:
The gurus don't tell you that you will still need to have a job and work long hours if you want to survive
They don't tell you that shitty stuff will still happen to you all the time
You will still experience loss, pain, humiliation and other negative emotions

You may not be able to change lifelong habits
The upside is that these things will only strengthen the love you have for yourself and others

Just my 2 cents





I don't understand, why would you think that you wouldn't need to have a job?




cause jobs are just an illusion of maya, maaaaan.

And da gurus get to sit on their asses all day doing jack shit. :hissyfit:


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Re: What they don't tell you about enlightenment [Re: all this beauty] * 1
    #19202013 - 11/28/13 06:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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all this beauty said:
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nicechrisman said:
Once science has proven something, it is no longer paranormal. Electricity used to be paranormal, so was gravity and things like radio waves, etc.



Exactly.

So all I'm asking is for ONE "paranormal" event to be conclusively established by a group of individuals who have not surrendered their innate powers of intellect and discernment (i.e., scientists). 

ONE scientifically confirmed event, and this debate will be over and finished forever.

Scientifically confirm ONE case of levitation.  Or ONE case of a "ghost" sighting.  Or ONE case of ESP.  Etc. etc.

Oh my fuckin' god...  is this asking for too fuckin' much:ooo:




I saw a show where they attached this machine to a cats head and they were able to make out a fuzzy picture.  This was years ago.  We need technology to record the subjective experience and tools to probe the mind.  That is where this is happening.


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Re: What they don't tell you about enlightenment [Re: all this beauty]
    #19208258 - 11/30/13 11:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

One instant of total awareness is one instant
of perfect freedom and enlightenment.


-The Wisdom Deity, Manjusri


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"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
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"Experience always goes beyond ideas"


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Re: What they don't tell you about enlightenment [Re: Sse]
    #19229741 - 12/05/13 12:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The enlightened folks I know cannot be touched or influenced by poisonous emotions.  They examine all harmful actions with a clear mind.


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Re: What they don't tell you about enlightenment [Re: Allisterem]
    #19229813 - 12/05/13 01:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds positively other worldly. :nicesmile:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: What they don't tell you about enlightenment [Re: Icelander]
    #19229841 - 12/05/13 02:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: What they don't tell you about enlightenment [Re: Allisterem]
    #19230023 - 12/05/13 04:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Allisterem said:
The enlightened folks I know cannot be touched or influenced by poisonous emotions.  They examine all harmful actions with a clear mind.




Your enlightened folks are more enlightened than my enlightened folks, then.

:unwanted:


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Re: What they don't tell you about enlightenment [Re: Icelander]
    #19235905 - 12/06/13 10:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Sounds positively other worldly. :nicesmile:




That's the best part about it, they're very worldly.  The ones who talk of "5th dimensions and love love love and light brothers and sisters!" are worlds apart.  :grin:


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Re: What they don't tell you about enlightenment [Re: viktor]
    #19235912 - 12/06/13 10:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think the definition of "Enlightened" has been stretched so much as to be meaningless.


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Re: What they don't tell you about enlightenment [Re: Allisterem] * 1
    #19245024 - 12/08/13 01:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

the only definition of enlightenment that matters is your own, reinvent it to suit your highest concept of yourself and work towards actualizing whatever that may be.


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