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Triple_Six
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Is it really necessary to soak?
#19196752 - 11/27/13 02:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I understand the purpose of soaking fully colonized cakes. However, I have read a simple tech that advises simply birthing pinning cakes straight into the FC. Either with or without casing. Perhaps this would require more frequent misting? Any thoughts?
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cronicr



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Re: Is it really necessary to soak? [Re: Triple_Six]
#19196759 - 11/27/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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fruit size is dependent on genetics/available moisteure and pins are fine to dunk so i would dunk. with out the roll yes you just need to keep a closer eye on your moisture on the surface
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Re: Is it really necessary to soak? [Re: Triple_Six] 2
#19196762 - 11/27/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not dunking for 24hours after birthing is fail.
So is not rolling the cakes in dry verm after the soak....
Dunk and roll them, then place in a properly built SGFC.
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sharpshroomer98
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Re: Is it really necessary to soak? [Re: Triple_Six]
#19196768 - 11/27/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Coming from experience, I had twelve cakes. One, I put right into the chamber. The other 11, I dunked for 24 hours in a large pot.
Guess the results? The one I didn't dunk had zero growth, due to not enough moisture. Mushies are 90% water.
Dunking cakes IMO is completely nessecary.
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Re: Is it really necessary to soak? [Re: PussyFart]
#19196774 - 11/27/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can get away with just birthing your cakes and fruiting without dunking and rolling, but your results will likely not make you very happy.
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sharpshroomer98 said: Coming for experience, I had twelve cakes.
sorry that almost had me floored
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sharpshroomer98
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Re: Is it really necessary to soak? [Re: cronicr]
#19196790 - 11/27/13 02:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Simply offering insight. My bad 
Didn't realize that you had to do a few hundred grows before offering advice lol.,, I'll keep that in mind
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cronicr



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no no don't get me wrong bud i'm not saying anything like that, just irony and i'm childish most of the time ...we goood?
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sharpshroomer98 said: Didn't realize that you had to do a few hundred grows before offering advice lol.,, I'll keep that in mind
Around here, you really do. There's so much bullshit info spread around that you'll get reamed if you post something incorrect. After all, this is generally where people come first to find info on growing mushies.
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sharpshroomer98
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Re: Is it really necessary to soak? [Re: cronicr] 1
#19196813 - 11/27/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh we good, I know how ruthless these forums can get. I just gotta remember to put my big boy underwear on before I log in
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Josh.0
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Re: Is it really necessary to soak? [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19196817 - 11/27/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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sharpshroomer98 said: Coming from experience, I had one hundered and twelve cakes. One, I put right into the chamber. The other 111, I dunked for 24 hours in a large pot.
Guess the results? The one I didn't dunk had zero growth, due to not enough moisture. Mushies are 90% water.
Dunking cakes IMO is completely nessecary.
Good luck 
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cronicr



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Re: Is it really necessary to soak? [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19196827 - 11/27/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said:
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sharpshroomer98 said: Didn't realize that you had to do a few hundred grows before offering advice lol.,, I'll keep that in mind
Around here, you really do. There's so much bullshit info spread around that you'll get reamed if you post something incorrect. After all, this is generally where people come first to find info on growing mushies.
Yeah I get it, I've seen it happen in my readings. RR or Frank will have a tek or thread going and you see a new guy like myself chime in and it just doesn't resinate on the same level as their experienced advice. I'll try to keep to myself till I've been in the water a bit longer.
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sharpshroomer98
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Re: Is it really necessary to soak? [Re: Josh.0]
#19196833 - 11/27/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Josh.0 said:
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sharpshroomer98 said: Coming from experience, I had one hundered and twelve cakes. One, I put right into the chamber. The other 111, I dunked for 24 hours in a large pot.
Guess the results? The one I didn't dunk had zero growth, due to not enough moisture. Mushies are 90% water.
Dunking cakes IMO is completely nessecary.
Good luck 
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Lol thanks josh xD
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cronicr



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don't fret about it, best way to learn is to get involved, worse comes to worse and you spit some wrong info out people like 36 are always around to correct you just don't take it to heart when they do, he's a bit of a drunk prick but he's honest and could/should be a tc
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Re: Is it really necessary to soak? [Re: cronicr]
#19196896 - 11/27/13 02:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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cronicr said:people like 36 are always around to correct you just don't take it to heart when they do, he's a bit of a drunk prick but he's honest and could/should be a tc
I've been a little better lately about not being a dick, I think. But yeah, I can be when I want to. It's usually just when people don't take them time to help themselves to an easy answer though.
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Josh.0
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Re: Is it really necessary to soak? [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19196949 - 11/27/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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This posts title should read: "IS IT REALLY NECESSARY TO WATCH RR's FREE VIDEO CLIPS WITH SOUND ON"?
really tho OP, most of us here have seen this play out 1,000,000,000x before. your cake(s) are pinning and you dont want to F up the pins whatever you do,so you post...then we tell you dunking pinning cakes for 24h is ok worst comes to worst they get knocked off..well the good news is, moar will grow in due time..
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Stromrider
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Re: Is it really necessary to soak? [Re: Josh.0]
#19197518 - 11/27/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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When it comes to cakes they must be dunked for best results. No amount of misting will substitute a dunk. The reason is because of how dense the cakes are. Bulk substrates can just be misted heavily and the water will soak right in. This is not the case with cakes. They are so dense they require a long (24 hour) dunk to hydrate fully. 8, 10, or 12 hours won't do it. If you don't believe me get some gram scales and weigh the cake after a 12 hour dunk and then weigh it again after 24 hours.
Mushrooms are 90% water so the most important thing for them to grow to their full potential is to have an adequate water supply
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Re: Is it really necessary to soak? [Re: Stromrider]
#19197542 - 11/27/13 05:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you don't dunk, your first flush will be pins and aborts. Your cakes need to be rehydrated after colonization and consolidation.
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Re: Is it really necessary to soak? [Re: cronicr]
#19197876 - 11/27/13 07:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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cronicr said: don't fret about it, best way to learn is to get involved, worse comes to worse and you spit some wrong info out people like 36 are always around to correct you just don't take it to heart when they do, he's a bit of a drunk prick but he's honest and could/should be a tc
word and just as rr says were all noobs
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