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Rolling Out The Big Whoppers or Have Yourself A Donkey Burger * 1
    #19193961 - 11/26/13 08:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Post the scandalous lies and big whoppers that were made by Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Barrack Obama..... I'll start:

"If you like your insurance you can keep it.  Period."
"If you like your doctor you can keep him.  Period."
"You have to pass the bill to see what's in it"



bring the lies on.  Lets see how fast we can reach one-hundred lies, assinine statements, and bonehead gaffes from the D's.



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Re: Rolling Out The Big Whoppers or Have Yourself A Donkey Burger [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19194190 - 11/26/13 08:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

the lies of bush:

Said there were WMD's in Iraq.
Said Al Qaeda was in Iraq.
Operation Wide Receiver (selling guns to cartel members)
They had knowledge of a attack on American soil using airliners before 9/11 happened.
NSA Warrant-less Surveillance (2001-2007)
Literally stole the election from Al Gore
Lied about who he was connected with during Enron scandal.
Made false environmental/political claims to enact vicious policies.


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Re: Rolling Out The Big Whoppers or Have Yourself A Donkey Burger [Re: mindgnome] * 2
    #19194420 - 11/26/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

these are about the current administrations lies. Not Bush's. Oh and before you say it, no being against Obama does not mean you are for Bush.


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Re: Rolling Out The Big Whoppers or Have Yourself A Donkey Burger [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19194445 - 11/26/13 10:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hey there mister, you aren't supposed to be posting political threads, remember? It's bad for your failing health. You wouldn't want me to report this to your local death panel would you hmmm?


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Re: Rolling Out The Big Whoppers or Have Yourself A Donkey Burger [Re: mindgnome] * 2
    #19194554 - 11/26/13 10:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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the lies of bush:

Said there were WMD's in Iraq. "Acting on intelligence everyone else had.  The democrats saw the 'evidence' also"

Said Al Qaeda was in Iraq.  "They were."

Operation Wide Receiver (selling guns to cartel members) "Stopped when they found out they couldn't keep track of the weapons:

They had knowledge of a attack on American soil using airliners before 9/11 happened.  "What's the source"

NSA Warrant-less Surveillance (2001-2007) "Agreed"

Literally stole the election from Al Gore "he got more votes than gore in florida after about 20 recounts."

Lied about who he was connected with during Enron scandal. "evidence?"

Made false environmental/political claims to enact vicious policies.



"What Claims?"

Just because Bush was a dickwad also doesn't excuse Obama.


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Re: Rolling Out The Big Whoppers or Have Yourself A Donkey Burger [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19195445 - 11/27/13 08:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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"If you like your insurance you can keep it.  Period."
"If you like your doctor you can keep him.  Period."
"You have to pass the bill to see what's in it"





I don't see how any of these are lies.  Do you have any proof that he knew these statements were false when he made them?


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Re: Rolling Out The Big Whoppers or Have Yourself A Donkey Burger [Re: Enlil]
    #19195889 - 11/27/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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starfire_xes said:
"If you like your insurance you can keep it.  Period."
"If you like your doctor you can keep him.  Period."
"You have to pass the bill to see what's in it"





I don't see how any of these are lies.  Do you have any proof that he knew these statements were false when he made them?



i was under the impression that its a built in feature of the bill that plans below a certain threshold would be canceled?


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Re: Rolling Out The Big Whoppers or Have Yourself A Donkey Burger [Re: psyconaught]
    #19195917 - 11/27/13 11:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Does that make it any more likely that Obama knew the statements were false when he made them?  He didn't write the bill...he didn't analyze the bill in committee like Congress did.  If they all missed it, why would you assume that he was aware?


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Re: Rolling Out The Big Whoppers or Have Yourself A Donkey Burger [Re: Enlil]
    #19196024 - 11/27/13 11:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Does that make it any more likely that Obama knew the statements were false when he made them?  He didn't write the bill...he didn't analyze the bill in committee like Congress did.  If they all missed it, why would you assume that he was aware?




Ah, Rnlil, my friend, my very best friend.  Your lawyer skills are slipping sir, I made this qualifying statement later in the post.....

"Lets see how fast we can reach one-hundred lies, assinine statements, and bonehead gaffes from the D's."

But technically you are correct.  He could have been ignorant enough not to know the consequences of the bill, which means it would be more of an assinine statement.  A correct statement would be "I'm not sure if you can keep your doctor but I think you can."


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Re: Rolling Out The Big Whoppers or Have Yourself A Donkey Burger [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19196049 - 11/27/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Starfire, you added that "qualifying statement" after posting the alleged "lies" and pretty much implying that they were lies.

So, are you now saying that you don't know if those statements were lies?


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Re: Rolling Out The Big Whoppers or Have Yourself A Donkey Burger [Re: Enlil]
    #19196068 - 11/27/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Does that make it any more likely that Obama knew the statements were false when he made them?  He didn't write the bill...he didn't analyze the bill in committee like Congress did.  If they all missed it, why would you assume that he was aware?



good point. At the very least it was an ill informed and ignorant statement, technically not a lie however.


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Re: Rolling Out The Big Whoppers or Have Yourself A Donkey Burger [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #19196529 - 11/27/13 01:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Does that make it any more likely that Obama knew the statements were false when he made them?  He didn't write the bill...he didn't analyze the bill in committee like Congress did.  If they all missed it, why would you assume that he was aware?




While this doesn't prove Obama personally knew, it seems a tad unlikely that he did not.

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It turns out that in an obscure report buried in a June 2010 edition of the Federal Register, administration officials predicted massive disruption of the private insurance market.




http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/10/31/obama-officials-in-2010-93-million-americans-will-be-unable-to-keep-their-health-plans-under-obamacare/


I mean really... could the man who said this "this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal" about his winning the nomination, not know everything about everything?


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Re: Rolling Out The Big Whoppers or Have Yourself A Donkey Burger [Re: Enlil]
    #19196819 - 11/27/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Starfire, you added that "qualifying statement" after posting the alleged "lies" and pretty much implying that they were lies.

So, are you now saying that you don't know if those statements were lies?




i see your point.  so qualifying the responses before listing would be more....honest?


journalists do that thing all the time in the Lame stream to imply something that they can't prove is true or not.


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Re: Rolling Out The Big Whoppers or Have Yourself A Donkey Burger [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19196845 - 11/27/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I expect more from you, though.


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Re: Rolling Out The Big Whoppers or Have Yourself A Donkey Burger [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #19197618 - 11/27/13 06:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I sincerely doubt he ever even read the bill so going on record and asserting that he knew what was in it is an abject bald faced lie.


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