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krikkrew
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: SamhainJ]
#19195771 - 11/27/13 10:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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A journal without physical evidence shouldn't and wouldn't hold up in court. You'd need physical, tangible evidence, not scribbling... or a confession, which would definitely be inadvisable on your part.
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: silverstem]
#19195823 - 11/27/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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anne halonium said: i dont see the issue. most peeps are growing by accident or chance anyway. all they have to do is adjust paradigms, instead of magical thinking about their grow skills and efforts, simply accept reality.
if their minds accept its a luck/ chance grow. no crime committed.
of course , the rub is anyone who grew one shroom by accident,is a absolute pro. at least in their own minds.
i wonder how many noobs lucked a grow, got nabbed, and then actually admitted to intent and skill?
lol, what a self burn by illusion.
that would never hold up in court... i know distribution on a fed level is manslaughter....
You're wrong manslaughter charges are for things like being drunk and backing over someone in your driveway possession is possession. you don't get a "possession/manufacture/distribution of a controlled substance charge for hitting someone with your car. Why in the hell would you get a manslaughter charge for possessing/manufacturing/distributing a controlled substance? IT'S A MYTH.
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: Halophorm]
#19195912 - 11/27/13 10:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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anne halonium said: i dont see the issue. most peeps are growing by accident or chance anyway. all they have to do is adjust paradigms, instead of magical thinking about their grow skills and efforts, simply accept reality.
if their minds accept its a luck/ chance grow. no crime committed.
of course , the rub is anyone who grew one shroom by accident,is a absolute pro. at least in their own minds.
i wonder how many noobs lucked a grow, got nabbed, and then actually admitted to intent and skill?
lol, what a self burn by illusion.
that would never hold up in court... i know distribution on a fed level is manslaughter....
You're wrong manslaughter charges are for things like being drunk and backing over someone in your driveway possession is possession. you don't get a "possession/manufacture/distribution of a controlled substance charge for hitting someone with your car. Why in the hell would you get a manslaughter charge for possessing/manufacturing/distributing a controlled substance? IT'S A MYTH.
I had a friend get manslaughter charges thrown at him along with 20 something other ones just for having a few ounces of mushrooms in his possession, and this was years ago. They dropped 99% of every charge and he got no jail time only probation and all the money associated with a run in with the law(mob)
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Bodhisatta said: Terrorism Bomb School Sandyhook Guns Fullyautomatic Rawmilk 911
OK NSA now that I have your attention if one of the smart fellows could have a read.
This whole site should be a testament to the legalization and decriminalization of hallucinogenics especially mushrooms. If we want America to stay ontop in the world for the years to come allow budding minds to get into science and technology by using a vehicle that has such awesome side effects as mushrooms do. Obviously nothing that's undermining society is coming from this place or you would have tried to shut it down eariler. Give up on the need to make money off of your citizens and let them grow. Let them learn how to be good at science not because of a boring school teacher but because of things like at home mycology. Maybe then we can be a nation of scientists and doers rather than government subsidy receivers.
Oh and while you're still here could you help me find that one porno with the chick in the pencil skirt and glasses that eventually lets her boss assfuck her? I know you have all those computers and shit it shouldn't be to hard. Thanks.
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silverstem
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: Halophorm]
#19195929 - 11/27/13 11:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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if someone dies tripping on mushrooms that you grew and they trace it back to you. then you can get charged with manslaughter.. a man already has gotten that charge before. google it...
they charge people with manslaughter for deaths caused by heroin also.
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: bodhisatta]
#19195936 - 11/27/13 11:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Plea not-guilty and when they let you go.. go get in your car and turn the kickers on
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: silverstem]
#19195954 - 11/27/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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silverstem said: if someone dies tripping on mushrooms that you grew and they trace it back to you. then you can get charged with manslaughter.. a man already has gotten that charge before. google it...
they charge people with manslaughter for deaths caused by heroin also.
I should say you'll get tried with attempted manslaughter
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Halophorm
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: silverstem]
#19195967 - 11/27/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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silverstem said: if someone dies tripping on mushrooms that you grew and they trace it back to you. then you can get charged with manslaughter.. a man already has gotten that charge before. google it...
they charge people with manslaughter for deaths caused by heroin also.
This is correct because It is a death by defect in product, However if you see perfectly grown mushrooms that don't kill anyone There is absolutely no way they can prove you killed someone negligently by selling an un adulterated product. same goes with mdma. even if the person that's been sold mdma takes too much and dies it's on them as overdose, if the product was un adulterated and autopsy tests find clean mdma.
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: Halophorm]
#19195974 - 11/27/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: Halophorm]
#19195977 - 11/27/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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silverstem said: if someone dies tripping on mushrooms that you grew and they trace it back to you. then you can get charged with manslaughter.. a man already has gotten that charge before. google it...
they charge people with manslaughter for deaths caused by heroin also.
This is correct because It is a death by defect in product, However if you see perfectly grown mushrooms that don't kill anyone There is absolutely no way they can prove you killed someone negligently by selling an un adulterated product. same goes with mdma. even if the person that's been sold mdma takes too much and dies it's on them as overdose, if the product was un adulterated and autopsy tests find clean mdma.
this is TV based law shit doesn't work like that IRL
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: bodhisatta]
#19195996 - 11/27/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bodhisatta said: Terrorism Bomb School Sandyhook Guns Fullyautomatic Rawmilk 911
OK NSA now that I have your attention if one of the smart fellows could have a read.
   
You are simply amazing lol. Love the, 'hey look at me' approach haha
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maddad
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Move to New Mexico, it is legal to grow them as long as your intent is for personal use only. I love it when states pass laws that say fuck the feds.
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: SamhainJ]
#19196043 - 11/27/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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SamhainJ said: Why would cops read a journal you have and arrest you if they were looking for yoyr room mate? I used to have a romm mate who was on parole and his PO could come search the house anytime she wanted, but never even asked to come into my room.. he would store all his pipes and rigs under my bed in case she showed up.. sounds kinda suspect to me..everybody knows growing is illegal..
Having search terms for a PO and a warrant to search the premises are two totally different things. If they had a warrant, anything that they find illegal, even if it's outside the scope of what they are looking for stated on the warrant, can be used against you.
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: bodhisatta]
#19196076 - 11/27/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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silverstem said: if someone dies tripping on mushrooms that you grew and they trace it back to you. then you can get charged with manslaughter.. a man already has gotten that charge before. google it...
they charge people with manslaughter for deaths caused by heroin also.
This is correct because It is a death by defect in product, However if you see perfectly grown mushrooms that don't kill anyone There is absolutely no way they can prove you killed someone negligently by selling an un adulterated product. same goes with mdma. even if the person that's been sold mdma takes too much and dies it's on them as overdose, if the product was un adulterated and autopsy tests find clean mdma.
this is TV based law shit doesn't work like that IRL
If there's no death how is it manslaughter?..... My father and my grandfather are both police officers this is one of their most "peevey" myths. selling mushrooms is distribution of a schedual 1 substance. thats the charge google it.
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: zenojis]
#19196091 - 11/27/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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zenojis said: I do not frequent this message board but I have recently dealt with law enforcement and felt the sting of laws I was ignorant of. Maybe what I have to say is common knowledge, maybe not. Hopefully I help someone out there with this post.
When I say "mushrooms" in this post I always mean "psilocybin mushrooms"
In the United States (specifically Utah, but most likely everywhere) it is ILLEGAL to INTEND to grow mushrooms. Let me clarify this: If you take a SIGNIFICANT STEP toward growing mushrooms, you ARE breaking the law. Saying you want to grow mushrooms is not enough, however ORDERING SPORES IS, preparing a grow medium could be if they can prove it was for mushrooms.
I know, it is ridiculous. However, I would not be posting this had I not just finished up in court because I "intended to grow psychedelic mushrooms"
Therefore, my recommendation to everyone is NEVER PLAN (without appropriate precautions) TO GROW. If you are going to grow mushrooms for personal use, it would probably be best that you maintain plausible deniability of ownership.
I did not tell anyone I was growing mushrooms but cops searched my home for other reasons and the only charge they could make stick was intent to cultivate mushrooms because of my journal.
There is an other, smaller, point to make here: Even if you are 100% quiet about what you are doing, doesn't mean someone can't accidentally stumble upon it. My house was searched not because of me but because of my roommate, had I known something like this could happen I wouldn't have attempted growing in the house.
You need to get yourself a lawyer
Unless you did something unimaginably stupid like talking to them, you're fine.
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: Juicin]
#19196198 - 11/27/13 12:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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fact is, the community teaches these teks, but fails to teach saftey, bio handling and security, along with legal issues.
it amounts to , "heres a mason and a turd and a spore syringe" some noobs get lucky, get a grow, share with some friends, and then the door is splintered in in a raid , obvious grow spread thru the house, and ,the poor noob is clueless how to respond.
this is almost like giving kids ad hoc 3d printers and a gun schematics then wondering why anyone got hurt when the ATF assaults the day care.
the community, needs higher standards, for safety security and bio handling. if we had higher standards, bad outcomes, would happen less.
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: Halophorm]
#19196342 - 11/27/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Halophorm said: If there's no death how is it manslaughter?..... My father and my grandfather are both police officers this is one of their most "peevey" myths. selling mushrooms is distribution of a schedual 1 substance. thats the charge google it.
Attempted manslaughter. It's something they tack on to hallucinogenic drugs often times. The charge gets dropped most of the time, but helps make you look even more terrible in front of a jury. You can even get child endangerment files along with distribution/intent charges if you live with any or sold to anyone under 18. They'll throw almost everything they can at you right away.
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anne halonium
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: bodhisatta]
#19196475 - 11/27/13 01:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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if the common public understood, what the pros here understand, it would be impossible to get an intent conviction, about 90% of the time.
assuming of course, no one said a word when questioned.
fact is , a good percent of grows, are done by people unaware of even the basics, or the power, or risks , of what they play with.
with a perfect storm , of a noob, a spore syinge, a corn mason, and bulk bucket, it is not only plausable, but LIKELY, he was an innocent bystander as the cops burst in to the canopy. at wich point. if noobs simply admitted they were clueless and honest about it, intent, would vanish.
in a rational world, the above makes sense. the real world isnt rational by any measure.
in reality, most noobs have no clue, luck out, and declare themsleves " breaking bad PHD mycologist" intent or not, and the cops are then on em for the dumbest of reasons. cops think anything they havent seen before is suspect, scientific grow equip, is obviously devils tools. noobs roll over on themselves out of false ego pride.
the whole punchline of the joke , the noob "gets" a few months later, while sitting in cage, " gee, i dont really know how to grow even after all"
once again, the community needs to raise standards , for skill, health , safety and legal issues. or it wont be the last noob we see this happen to.
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: anne halonium]
#19197631 - 11/27/13 06:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Normally I don't give shit like this a second thought. But right after I read this, my wife calls me at work and tells me that the cops were at the door, and I had my sterilizer in the kitchen. Was uber paranoid all morning, but they really just were investigating a murder a few houses down last night and were just doing their routine interviews. Never even came in.
Definitely gonna be more careful not to have any equipment out in the open from now on tho, never know who might show up.
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: zenojis]
#19197747 - 11/27/13 06:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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