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zenojis
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Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal.
#19195071 - 11/27/13 04:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I do not frequent this message board but I have recently dealt with law enforcement and felt the sting of laws I was ignorant of. Maybe what I have to say is common knowledge, maybe not. Hopefully I help someone out there with this post.
When I say "mushrooms" in this post I always mean "psilocybin mushrooms"
In the United States (specifically Utah, but most likely everywhere) it is ILLEGAL to INTEND to grow mushrooms. Let me clarify this: If you take a SIGNIFICANT STEP toward growing mushrooms, you ARE breaking the law. Saying you want to grow mushrooms is not enough, however ORDERING SPORES IS, preparing a grow medium could be if they can prove it was for mushrooms.
I know, it is ridiculous. However, I would not be posting this had I not just finished up in court because I "intended to grow psychedelic mushrooms"
Therefore, my recommendation to everyone is NEVER PLAN (without appropriate precautions) TO GROW. If you are going to grow mushrooms for personal use, it would probably be best that you maintain plausible deniability of ownership.
I did not tell anyone I was growing mushrooms but cops searched my home for other reasons and the only charge they could make stick was intent to cultivate mushrooms because of my journal.
There is an other, smaller, point to make here: Even if you are 100% quiet about what you are doing, doesn't mean someone can't accidentally stumble upon it. My house was searched not because of me but because of my roommate, had I known something like this could happen I wouldn't have attempted growing in the house.
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highc
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: zenojis] 1
#19195083 - 11/27/13 04:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Good thing no one here intends to grow
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: highc]
#19195098 - 11/27/13 04:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's always a accident.
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Skinty
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: budmanman]
#19195152 - 11/27/13 05:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sorry to hear the law fucked you. What was the sentence (or whatever the US term is)?
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SynKyd
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: Skinty]
#19195162 - 11/27/13 05:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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that sucks, man. Sorry to hear you got pinched and especially because of someone else's problems. I'm definitely buying a microscope today!
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: SynKyd]
#19195287 - 11/27/13 07:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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SinysterKyd said: that sucks, man. Sorry to hear you got pinched and especially because of someone else's problems. I'm definitely buying a microscope today!
That's a good idea.
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SizlChest
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: Psilicon]
#19195330 - 11/27/13 07:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, and ingesting those mushrooms and sitting in your house for six hours exploring inner self was going to destroy society.....how backwards is the world in which we live....
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Stargaze
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: SizlChest]
#19195343 - 11/27/13 07:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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zenojis said: I do not frequent this message board but I have recently dealt with law enforcement and felt the sting of laws I was ignorant of. Maybe what I have to say is common knowledge, maybe not. Hopefully I help someone out there with this post.
When I say "mushrooms" in this post I always mean "psilocybin mushrooms"
In the United States (specifically Utah, but most likely everywhere) it is ILLEGAL to INTEND to grow mushrooms. Let me clarify this: If you take a SIGNIFICANT STEP toward growing mushrooms, you ARE breaking the law. Saying you want to grow mushrooms is not enough, however ORDERING SPORES IS, preparing a grow medium could be if they can prove it was for mushrooms.
I know, it is ridiculous. However, I would not be posting this had I not just finished up in court because I "intended to grow psychedelic mushrooms"
Therefore, my recommendation to everyone is NEVER PLAN (without appropriate precautions) TO GROW. If you are going to grow mushrooms for personal use, it would probably be best that you maintain plausible deniability of ownership.
I did not tell anyone I was growing mushrooms but cops searched my home for other reasons and the only charge they could make stick was intent to cultivate mushrooms because of my journal.
There is an other, smaller, point to make here: Even if you are 100% quiet about what you are doing, doesn't mean someone can't accidentally stumble upon it. My house was searched not because of me but because of my roommate, had I known something like this could happen I wouldn't have attempted growing in the house.
You may want to consider being much more careful. If I were to grow mushrooms I certainly wouldn't have a roommate. I'd never talk about it, show it off etc.
Your roommate sounds like he might be a fool, he obviously adds a good measure of risk to your situation.
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StygianKnight
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: Stargaze]
#19195383 - 11/27/13 08:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sucks you had to deal with the pigs.
'Intent' laws are pretty common, the same goes for many other substances, intent to use them illegally is good enough. For example, in some places a whippet cracker & Balloon can be intent to use nitrous illegally. Another thing to watch out for is paraphernalia laws, things with drug residue on them can be considered illegal even if they aren't used for that drug anymore and this includes scales.
As you mentioned your journal, it's also a good idea to remove psilocybin and other telltale names from things.
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mthawkins
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: StygianKnight]
#19195419 - 11/27/13 08:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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no one here is growing anything. We're all scientists using spores for microscopy
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mushcrab
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: mthawkins]
#19195444 - 11/27/13 08:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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dam that's shity homie maby u shoulda had covered ur ass and worte them as edibales in ur jornal and had some edibals going amongst ur lot that's what I would do if I was going to grow
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silverstem
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: mushcrab]
#19195492 - 11/27/13 09:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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ordering spores is not intent to grow.. it isnt even against the law in most states..
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anne halonium
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: mushcrab]
#19195493 - 11/27/13 09:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i dont see the issue. most peeps are growing by accident or chance anyway. all they have to do is adjust paradigms, instead of magical thinking about their grow skills and efforts, simply accept reality, wich is," it was luck"
if their minds accept its a luck/ chance grow. no crime committed.
of course , the rub is anyone who grew one shroom by accident,is a absolute pro. at least in their own minds.
i wonder how many noobs lucked a grow, got nabbed, and then actually admitted to intent and skill?
lol, what a self burn thru ego illusion.
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silverstem
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: anne halonium]
#19195504 - 11/27/13 09:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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anne halonium said: i dont see the issue. most peeps are growing by accident or chance anyway. all they have to do is adjust paradigms, instead of magical thinking about their grow skills and efforts, simply accept reality.
if their minds accept its a luck/ chance grow. no crime committed.
of course , the rub is anyone who grew one shroom by accident,is a absolute pro. at least in their own minds.
i wonder how many noobs lucked a grow, got nabbed, and then actually admitted to intent and skill?
lol, what a self burn by illusion.
that would never hold up in court... i know distribution on a fed level is manslaughter....
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SamhainJ
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: silverstem]
#19195573 - 11/27/13 09:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why would cops read a journal you have and arrest you if they were looking for yoyr room mate? I used to have a romm mate who was on parole and his PO could come search the house anytime she wanted, but never even asked to come into my room.. he would store all his pipes and rigs under my bed in case she showed up.. sounds kinda suspect to me..everybody knows growing is illegal..
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mushcrab
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: SamhainJ]
#19195632 - 11/27/13 09:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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SamhainJ said: Why would cops read a journal you have and arrest you if they were looking for yoyr room mate? I used to have a romm mate who was on parole and his PO could come search the house anytime she wanted, but never even asked to come into my room.. he would store all his pipes and rigs under my bed in case she showed up.. sounds kinda suspect to me..everybody knows growing is illegal..
it is kinda odd that they went thru ur stuff when they wernt looking for ur and had no reason to go thru ur stuff from what u make it out to be so maby there is something that could be done on ur behalf maby like invasion of privacy or something lol
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Josh.0
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: SamhainJ]
#19195650 - 11/27/13 09:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Stupendous-Yappi
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: mushcrab]
#19195654 - 11/27/13 09:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Search warrants have a limited scope. All your stuff being out in a 'common' area is one thing but if they searched your room it could be an illegal search.
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Josh.0
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: mushcrab]
#19195658 - 11/27/13 09:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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mushcrab said:
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SamhainJ said: Why would cops read a journal you have and arrest you if they were looking for yoyr room mate? I used to have a romm mate who was on parole and his PO could come search the house anytime she wanted, but never even asked to come into my room.. he would store all his pipes and rigs under my bed in case she showed up.. sounds kinda suspect to me..everybody knows growing is illegal..
it is kinda odd that they went thru ur stuff when they wernt looking for ur and had no reason to go thru ur stuff from what u make it out to be so maby there is something that could be done on ur behalf maby like invasion of privacy or something lol
prob too late,he fessed up to it..and was sentenced accordingly
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SamhainJ
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Re: Intent to grow mushrooms is illegal. [Re: Josh.0]
#19195680 - 11/27/13 10:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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But let me get this straight, you didnt have a grow in progress or any jars prepared or anything.. just what you wrote in a journal? I could write in a journal about killing somebody..but if there was no body or someone with a matching name missing, they really couldnt use it against me..
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