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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: Lynnch]
    #19193400 - 11/26/13 06:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So, to bring the thread full circle, THAT is why I think the republican party is a joke. They run on the idea that government is bad and spends too much, all the while still taking their paychecks, perpetuating the system, and of course, allowing spending for the things they want. It just comes off as hollow. Wouldn't it be better if they used their time and power to affect positive change to the country instead of creating this self-fulfilling prophecy that government doesn't get anything done?  Whatever you come up with, we DO have government for a reason. Everywhere you look there is some kind of government program in effect that you totally rely on without thinking twice about. I think it would be better if Republicans accepted this, and joined in on solving the problems of our society instead of refusing to acknowledge that they have ample power and resources to do so.
It would have been better if republicans had presented an alternative healthcare bill.


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: Lynnch]
    #19193408 - 11/26/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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And yet, using healthcare as an example, they fucked millions of people who had healthcare. The system they chose has clearly demonstrated that big government is incapable of managing much of anything.

The more power given to them, the more they take beyond what people would want. You look to those who caused the problems to solve the problems.





They "fucked" millions of people with a shitty insurance policy.




I had an insurance policy I was perfectly happy with.  It was better than what I hear is being offered now.  In 35 days it will be gone.  Way back many years ago I learned in Poli Sci that the only person who can say what is in your interest is you.  I'll be the person who decides if my insurance is shitty, not some bureaucrat cunt or knowitall kid who has never paid a bill in his life.




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Actually, they are quite different. When a community bands together it's because they wish to do certain things willingly, whereas a government doesn't very often give a fuck what you or the community wants. You'll do it or face the consequences.



:facepalm: a representative government made up of individual people who very much give a fuck what the people who vote for them want.






There is not one shred of evidence to support this.


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: Lynnch]
    #19193415 - 11/26/13 06:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Wouldn't it be better if they used their time and power to affect positive change to the country instead of creating this self-fulfilling prophecy that government doesn't get anything done?




They are. Just not in the way you would like. On fiscal matters I'm glad they are trying to stop as much spending as possible.

A sharply divided government is what we need, what we have, what was intended and hopefully... what will remain.


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19193424 - 11/26/13 06:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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a representative government made up of individual people who very much give a fuck what the people who vote for them want.




There is not one shred of evidence to support this.




And a great deal of evidence to the contrary.


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19193435 - 11/26/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Ah yes, the current talking point.

Got any thoughts of your own?




Do you?


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: Mush4Brains] * 1
    #19193445 - 11/26/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yup. I've been expressing them throughout the discussion.

So you have none. That's a shame.


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19193475 - 11/26/13 06:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Wouldn't it be better if they used their time and power to affect positive change to the country instead of creating this self-fulfilling prophecy that government doesn't get anything done?




They are. Just not in the way you would like. On fiscal matters I'm glad they are trying to stop as much spending as possible.






There is not one shred of evidence to support this, either.  Bush was no conservative.

Lynnch seems to be laboring under the misapprehension that a nation of 300 million people is somehow a community with common interests.  It most certainly is not.  That was why we had states.  States and counties and cities and towns and neighborhoods.  I can go 5 miles in any direction except South (Ocean) and find a community whose interests are vastly different from my community's, whose interests are not always mine.  Government is best left local except for the necessary big things.  This clusterfuck of a meddling federal government imposing its inept will on each and every person is an abomination.  There is not one single reason why they should be involved in this health insurance clusterfuck.

As to Patlal's absurd notion that is expressed in the title of this thread I offer this rebuttal.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/11/republicans-2014-midterms-cnn-poll-100386.html

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With just a 2-point lead, the GOP edges out Democrats 49 to 47 percent among registered voters in the 2014 generic ballot for Congress, according to the CNN/ORC poll, which asked voters whether they would vote for the Democratic or Republican in their district, without mentioning specific names.





Note the CNN spin of just a 2 point lead.  How you like me now?  I never fail to get a chuckle out of Canadians who think they know a fucking thing about the United States.  Except when I pity them.


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19193484 - 11/26/13 06:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Polls are polls.

I'm waiting for the result


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19193495 - 11/26/13 06:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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And yet, using healthcare as an example, they fucked millions of people who had healthcare. The system they chose has clearly demonstrated that big government is incapable of managing much of anything.

The more power given to them, the more they take beyond what people would want. You look to those who caused the problems to solve the problems.





They "fucked" millions of people with a shitty insurance policy.




Yes, cause a 30 year old gay man needs maternity coverage :rolleyes:. I must admit, the schadenfreude from watching these fucks spin like tops to cover their lies is so good it's fattening.


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: setb]
    #19193499 - 11/26/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Yes, cause a 30 year old gay man needs maternity coverage :rolleyes:. I must admit, the schadenfreude from watching these fucks spin like tops to cover their lies is so good it's fattening.




:yesnod:


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: setb]
    #19193508 - 11/26/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

30 year old males aren't getting maternity coverage.


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: setb]
    #19193513 - 11/26/13 06:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Yes, cause a 30 year old gay man needs maternity coverage :rolleyes:. I must admit, the schadenfreude from watching these fucks spin like tops to cover their lies is so good it's fattening.




That is a beautiful line.  Consider it stolen.


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: Juicin]
    #19193620 - 11/26/13 06:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Republicans will be lucky to win the white house once more in my lifetime.

The demographics of the party are terrible. They do poorly among young people, women, and minorities. Their only reliable demographic voting block is older white men. They may win the legislature back in the short term, but their policies turn off the majority of the nation. And the Rand Pauls and Mitch McConnelsl of the world will be ridiculed into insignificance.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/11/20/ted_cruz_vs_cnn_anchor_on_obamacare_i_appreciate_your_trying_to_lecture_me.html

like this, lol




    I agree with the demographic argument. I've posted on here before that every election cycle, the American electorate gets %2 less white. There is no way they can sustain themselves as a party of white men, their wives and their widows. In marketing terms, they have to re-brand themselves. I think their only chance is to stay to the fiscally conservative side (but not as much as now), while dumping most of the social conservative agenda. You can be against crime, but which crimes. They have already lost the culture war, but that wing of the party can not accept this. It would take about 20 years to make the shift.
    Until then, the Dems keep the Presidency and the Senate.


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19193652 - 11/26/13 07:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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30 year old males aren't getting maternity coverage.




Perhaps you should look into the "standards" of oabamacare.


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #19194005 - 11/26/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

RON PAUL!!!


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: setb]
    #19194014 - 11/26/13 08:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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30 year old males aren't getting maternity coverage.




Perhaps you should look into the "standards" of oabamacare.




Maternity coverage is mandatory, yes.  That doesn't mean men are getting maternity coverage, simply that they are paying for women's maternity coverage as part of their premiums.

This is super basic shit, and if you can't get this right, than why would I ever trust anything you say?


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #19194258 - 11/26/13 09:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't support fascism.


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: mindgnome]
    #19194583 - 11/26/13 10:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't support fascism.





then why do support the Federal Government taking over the healthcare industry.  Why do you like handouts to energy companies (Fisker, Solyandra) and Auto companies being 'owned' by the government.  that's the very definition of facism.

And why do you support Big Nanny Government Up Your Ass trying to tell you how to live your life?  what to eat, think, and breathe?


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19195044 - 11/27/13 04:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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30 year old males aren't getting maternity coverage.




Perhaps you should look into the "standards" of oabamacare.




Maternity coverage is mandatory, yes.  That doesn't mean men are getting maternity coverage, simply that they are paying for women's maternity coverage as part of their premiums.

This is super basic shit, and if you can't get this right, than why would I ever trust anything you say?




Are you just deliberately misunderstanding what I am saying? Why should a 30 year old gay man or a 60 year old woman be forced to pay for maternity coverage? Read it again: why should people that will never have babies be forced to pay for coverage they don't need?

If you want maternity coverage, get a plan that covers it.

Paying for coverage that you will never use makes your premiums unnecessarily expensive, which shows that dear leader blatantly and repeatedly lied about people's costs going down. Costs are going way, way up. Massachusetts does the same crap, which is why their pre-Obamacare premiums were the highest in the nation. Their plans are full of crap most people don't need and will never use.


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19195051 - 11/27/13 04:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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You should read more. Conservative politics seem to be on the upswing in many countries.




Like what? The Golden Dawn party in Greece?

The richest nations in the world all employ socialism. Is that a coincidence? They all just lucked out even though the entire premise of the system is a failure?


Fact is, jobs ate disappearing and will continue to do so. This isn't the frontier anymore, and when the means of production fall into fewer and fewer hands, it's kinda hard to tell people to go out and produce. The world is too small for capitalism anymore.



just gotta wait till the rest of the world comes to get their debts repayed to them by force.




Yeah right.

If you're hinting at China, theyd much rather have us as a trade partner than a war adversary, regardless the cost.




Yeah, this is why they are making increasingly aggressive moves such as sending spy ships to Hawaii and extending their airspace uncomfortably close to Japan.

This is also why they stopped buying our debt and are trying to get other nations to trade in their currency.


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