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Having conversations while in a lucid dream....
#19194939 - 11/27/13 01:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've been lucid dreaming for a long time now, since around 1st grade or so (along with sleep walking and night terrors when I was young, and sleep paralysis and out of body "like" experiences time to time as I got older). I was told by my aunt that it was possible to control my dreams, once I knew this was possible it was something that came natural to me. And ever since then I've been able to lucid dream, usually at the very least once a week. Sometimes I'll go weeks with out becoming lucid (I still dream nightly and almost always remember most of them when waking up, I'm just not lucid), I'll also go through periods of having them very frequently . And the "lucidity" of the dreams, how much control I have, varies with time.
I'll often have conversations with people that are in my dream, and most of these conversations that I'm speaking about specifically are with people that I do not know in my "awake" life. They're just random people I cross paths with in my dreams. Putting this into very basic layman's terms, it is said that random activity from the brain "sorting itself out" at night is what gives rise to dreams, right?...Correct me if I'm wrong....So my dreams are essentially composed of a bunch of fragments of my "self", things from my experiences in life up to this point. Bits and pieces from things that I have seen, heard, felt in a tactile sense, felt emotionally, etc.
Well when I am lucid during these conversations with random people in my dreams...I listen to what they're saying, then think of what I want to say in response, then listen to them as they reply back, how a conversation goes just as if awake. IT REALLY TRIPS ME OUT (and intrigues me) that my brain is creating both sides of this conversation/dialog, but I'm consciously listening and only consciously thinking of my part of the conversation/dialog. I don't have to think of what they're going to say, I listen....
So my whole point to this thread I guess, is to ask if my brain is just creating the other persons part of the conversation/dialog completely under my consciousness? If that makes any sense?...
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Re: Having conversations while in a lucid dream.... [Re: openmind]
#19195039 - 11/27/13 03:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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you are enjoying yourself in imagining that out of posting in forums
you could be sick from having no sense of positive connections with else
which explain why it makes more sense for you that all posts are something that you can use as you want and that could be directed according to your wills ..
I am inventing that reply of course, which in a way prove that you are not the only one, you couldn't thought that about yourself to write it down
Edited by absols (11/27/13 03:57 AM)
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Re: Having conversations while in a lucid dream.... [Re: openmind]
#19195078 - 11/27/13 04:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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absols said: you are enjoying yourself in imagining that out of posting in forums
you could be sick from having no sense of positive connections with else
which explain why it makes more sense for you that all posts are something that you can use as you want and that could be directed according to your wills ..
I am inventing that reply of course, which in a way prove that you are not the only one, you couldn't thought that about yourself to write it down

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openmind said: I've been lucid dreaming for a long time now, since around 1st grade or so (along with sleep walking and night terrors when I was young, and sleep paralysis and out of body "like" experiences time to time as I got older). I was told by my aunt that it was possible to control my dreams, once I knew this was possible it was something that came natural to me. And ever since then I've been able to lucid dream, usually at the very least once a week. Sometimes I'll go weeks with out becoming lucid (I still dream nightly and almost always remember most of them when waking up, I'm just not lucid), I'll also go through periods of having them very frequently . And the "lucidity" of the dreams, how much control I have, varies with time.
I'll often have conversations with people that are in my dream, and most of these conversations that I'm speaking about specifically are with people that I do not know in my "awake" life. They're just random people I cross paths with in my dreams. Putting this into very basic layman's terms, it is said that random activity from the brain "sorting itself out" at night is what gives rise to dreams, right?...Correct me if I'm wrong....So my dreams are essentially composed of a bunch of fragments of my "self", things from my experiences in life up to this point. Bits and pieces from things that I have seen, heard, felt in a tactile sense, felt emotionally, etc.
Well when I am lucid during these conversations with random people in my dreams...I listen to what they're saying, then think of what I want to say in response, then listen to them as they reply back, how a conversation goes just as if awake. IT REALLY TRIPS ME OUT (and intrigues me) that my brain is creating both sides of this conversation/dialog, but I'm consciously listening and only consciously thinking of my part of the conversation/dialog. I don't have to think of what they're going to say, I listen....
So my whole point to this thread I guess, is to ask if my brain is just creating the other persons part of the conversation/dialog completely under my consciousness? If that makes any sense?...
-OM
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I suppose that question cannot really be answered by us. I too have had quite a few lucid dreams and have had talks with random dream people, but never thought to ask.
you should ask your dream characters whats up. would be interesting to call them out haha i'll try and remember to ask next time I have a lucid dream as well
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Re: Having conversations while in a lucid dream.... [Re: openmind]
#19195127 - 11/27/13 05:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes, the other people and your self in the dream are being formed from fragments of your experience (triggered from recent events and resolved by your process of understanding recent events and the combinations and layers of correspondences).
the conversation "scripts" are also from fragments of experience, both sides; however dreaming is formation and resolving, not simple replay.
even if it has to do with the brain making better connections from what happened in the day/week/year, the fragments that are being sifted through are emerging from a seething mass of images, sounds, sensations and ideas, and associations that can go back ages.
what I mean by that is (even if you can sometimes predict the story) each new dream is an unfolding process - it is new "becoming" and "being" even that is recycles bits of experience energy-matter the dream world has real world dynamism (if not real world physics).
that said, I find that much of dreaming is in very short segments or tableau like scenes, and as I am waking, I may be replaying a scene several times, i.e. re-dreaming, re-rendering and maybe trying to change the outcomes.
I especially re-dream if something embarrassing occurred in the dream and I "need" it to progress differently to keep my dignity; but that is not the same as knowing - in advance of any replay - what is going to happen the first time:
Dreams are equally creation, a lot of stuff really does happen for the first time in dreams, the composition (of the dream) is from the totality of self - oceanic-ally seething and powered by association.
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Re: Having conversations while in a lucid dream.... [Re: openmind]
#19195136 - 11/27/13 05:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yup I know what you're talking about. It really is like your talking to someone in real life, they have the correct body language and everything. There's a difference between talking to someone in a lucid dream rather than your average dream. In average dreams its like they are robotic, dull and just lacking in personality. In lucid dreams you might as well actually be having a conversation with someone.
Based on some of my dreams I believe the lucid ones have something to do with some sort of collective subconscious we all share.
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Re: Having conversations while in a lucid dream.... [Re: openmind]
#19208874 - 11/30/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is a great book for teaching how to do Jungian Active Imagination, and conduct this conversational process with dream characters while you are awake. It 'seems' as if 'you' are playing both sides of the conversation, but (1) it it a matter of Psyche, (2) the brain is not the Psyche, but transmits from the Psyche, and (3) what 'you' or 'I' actually is is a lot more than what the conscious ego believes we are.
http://www.amazon.com/Inner-Work-Creative-Imagination-Integration/dp/B004UM0Z3Q/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1385846979&sr=8-4&keywords=inner+work%2C+robert+johnson
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Re: Having conversations while in a lucid dream.... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#19211048 - 12/01/13 01:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have always wanted to do this. I smoke too much pot now to even hope to recall more than a few fragments my dreams, but I was really into lucid dreaming academically when I was younger. The few times I have become lucid were brief and I was not able to maintain awareness for more than a few moments.
I'm intensely curious about what my dream characters might have to say. Most of what I remember from dreams are striking visual images but not too many conversations. I would also like to explore a house or structure in a lucid dream which I've heard can represent your psyche. I have interesting nightmares about getting lost and finding odd things in vast labyrinthine multifloor structures, like schools or office buildings or houses with endless rooms, that I would like to get to the bottom of.
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Re: Having conversations while in a lucid dream.... [Re: Mr Person]
#19231034 - 12/05/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well when I am lucid during these conversations with random people in my dreams...I listen to what they're saying, then think of what I want to say in response, then listen to them as they reply back, how a conversation goes just as if awake. IT REALLY TRIPS ME OUT (and intrigues me) that my brain is creating both sides of this conversation/dialog, but I'm consciously listening and only consciously thinking of my part of the conversation/dialog. I don't have to think of what they're going to say, I listen....
ive had really developed conversations with people (mostly friends of mine) in lucid dreams, where i have been trying to convince them them that they are all really figments of my imagination. weird
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Re: Having conversations while in a lucid dream.... [Re: spazmodog]
#19236000 - 12/06/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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woops double post
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Re: Having conversations while in a lucid dream.... [Re: spazmodog]
#19236004 - 12/06/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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spazmodog said:
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Well when I am lucid during these conversations with random people in my dreams...I listen to what they're saying, then think of what I want to say in response, then listen to them as they reply back, how a conversation goes just as if awake. IT REALLY TRIPS ME OUT (and intrigues me) that my brain is creating both sides of this conversation/dialog, but I'm consciously listening and only consciously thinking of my part of the conversation/dialog. I don't have to think of what they're going to say, I listen....
ive had really developed conversations with people (mostly friends of mine) in lucid dreams, where i have been trying to convince them them that they are all really figments of my imagination. weird
Interesting, I've had them explain to me that they are me after I asked them if they were. They "He" then went on to explain the effects of state of mind, key words, and other such silliness on the dream worlds. I say worlds because the mind can layer dreams and have them progress, regress, or pause in "time".
The mind is truly amazing, that's why I believe meditation and bouts of mindfulness are so important to sneak into our busy lives.
So yes, you are having a conversation with aspects of your subconscious in lucid dreams...they can take many forms and the conversations sometimes aren't held with words at all!
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