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Please help me Identify these grown mushrooms
#19194463 - 11/26/13 10:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I recently bought these from a friend. He said his boy grew them. My wife and I plan to eat an 1/8th each this saturdya. She has tripped twice, I never have. I have used LSD marijuana and MDMA, but never mushrooms. Here are the pictures- they are dried. Oh, one last question. I am on Cymbalta 30mg's a day- an SNRI- should I still be able to trip? I read SOME BUT NOT ALL have lessened effects on SSRI- but Cymbalta is an SNRI. Anyways here are the photos! Thanks in advance.

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Re: Please help me Identify these grown mushrooms [Re: rcm2110]
#19194467 - 11/26/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's Psilocybe cubensis.
I don't know anything about Cymbalta but someone else should be able to help.
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Re: Please help me Identify these grown mushrooms [Re: rcm2110]
#19194475 - 11/26/13 10:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cubensis, grown very recently and very well from the looks of them.
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Re: Please help me Identify these grown mushrooms [Re: Psilicon]
#19194493 - 11/26/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do you eat only the caps? Or do I just eat caps, stalks, and everything including powder left over in bag?
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Re: Please help me Identify these grown mushrooms [Re: rcm2110]
#19194504 - 11/26/13 10:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Every bit of it is active.
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Re: Please help me Identify these grown mushrooms [Re: Psilicon]
#19194517 - 11/26/13 10:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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SNRI cause an increase in seratonin levels, which is to say that it creates a stable level of seratonin. Psilocin causes seratonin levels to be uncontrolled this is what causes people to see or hear things they normally don't witness. These are what we call hallucinations. Psilocybin will likely not have any affect on you, if you are under the influence of SNRI, because the SNRI controls seratonin levels by increasing output. I would not recommend anyone mix the two. That being said, psilocin might even be something you could ask a doctor about, as far as a possible alternative. However, if you are taking SNRI for depression and they are working for you, then you are probably having a better time than me on psilocin, to be honest.
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Re: Please help me Identify these grown mushrooms [Re: jet li]
#19194546 - 11/26/13 10:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Soooo basically do not eat the mushrooms? I have heard of people taking Effexor and Cymbalta and still tripping. I thought SNRI Was Selective Norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor- not Selective Serotonin Reuptake inhibitor (SSRI)
or should I just eat them and see what happens?
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Re: Please help me Identify these grown mushrooms [Re: rcm2110]
#19194559 - 11/26/13 10:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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They increase Serotonin and Norephinephrine. While SSRI is Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors, SNRI is actually Serotonin (and) Norephinephrine Reuptake Inhibitors.
Serotonin is for mood, and Norephinephrine is for alertness, with much the same affect as amphetamines.
If you presciption says Selective Norephinephrine, instead os Serotonin-Norephinephrine, then logically they would not combat the affects of Psilocin, because Norephinephrine is just a hormone which increases alertness, and does not affect Serotonin. But I've never heard of SNRI as an acronym for Selective Norephinephrine Reuptake Inhibitors.
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Re: Please help me Identify these grown mushrooms [Re: jet li]
#19194588 - 11/26/13 10:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok, thank you for your replies sir. I am finding conflicting information on the site. Some people have tripped well on SNRI/SSRI while others do not at all. Either way, this is what I am doing. Discontinuing Cymbalta use as of today as my trip date is in four days. This should allow the drug to diminish itself in the body as it has a 12 hour half life. I have come off my medication before. I just get a little grouchy nothing severe. So do you think there is no hope? I truly want to experience the magic of these shrooms. Am I shit out of luck? Or should I just eat 4.5 grams instead of 3.5 grams? I have used lsd extensively along side with MDMA, so I have some experience with hallucinogens DXM as well- but never mushies. HELP ME LOL! I want to experience this!
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Re: Please help me Identify these grown mushrooms [Re: rcm2110]
#19194599 - 11/26/13 10:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well I don't know your condition well enough and I am not a real expert on brains and chemicals, so I really wouldn't feel comfortable telling you what to put or not put into your body, but if you have had severe depression and SNRI help you to cope, then it might not be a good idea to discontinue using SNRI. Then again, perhaps a psilocin experience could be a better long term solution? I would tell anyone who has not had any severe depression to definitely do it, though. Be aware that psilocin causes serotonin levels to be uncontrolled, Essentially, they could case serotonin levels to drop significantly, in turn possibly causing an episode of depression.
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Re: Please help me Identify these grown mushrooms [Re: jet li]
#19194624 - 11/26/13 11:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I never have had severe depression. It was for nerve damage- another use of Cymbalta. I am going to do it anyways with thte hopes it works. Im going from 3.5 to 4.5 grams I think just to be sure I can embark on this journey. I will report back
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Re: Please help me Identify these grown mushrooms [Re: rcm2110]
#19194633 - 11/26/13 11:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah unless you have been on high doses of SNRI for a long period of time, it should be safe to cut back, but the irony is that the use of them could cause depression by discontinuing them. That's kinda depressing in and of itself...a serotonin withdrawal, if you will.
The decision is yours, and you'd probably be better off asking your doctor. He or she would probably be more than happy to explain the probable results of cutting back on SNRI.
Also, since Psilocin has also been studied for its effects on hippocampal neurons and resulted in positive neural generation under certain types of dosing, you might bring that up with your doctor, as it poses as a strong candidate where an increase in hippocampal neuron generation is desired.
Edited by jet li (11/26/13 11:20 PM)
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Re: Please help me Identify these grown mushrooms [Re: jet li]
#19194655 - 11/26/13 11:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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jet li said:
Yeah unless you have been on high doses of SNRI for a long period of time, it should be safe to cut back, but the irony is that the use of them could cause depression by discontinuing them. That's kinda depressing in and of itself...a serotonin withdrawal, if you will.
The decision is yours, and you'd probably be better off asking your doctor. He or she would probably be more than happy to explain the probably results of cutting back on SNRI.
Also, since Psilocin has also been studied for its effects on hippocampal neurons and resulted in possitive neural generation, you might bring that up with your doctor, as it poses as a strong candidate where an increase in hippocampal neuron generation is desired.

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That's kinda depressing in and of itself...a serotonin withdrawal, if you will.
Tell me about it..
-------------------- ~~~~~~***Psilocybin Mushrooms***~~~~~~ _________A Practical Guide To Psilocybin Mushrooms_________ "Think about the species, not your scale". -NeoSporen "Mr. Joust, I see you don't actually partake in the psilocin, but it looks like it may partake in you!" -Gojira
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Re: Please help me Identify these grown mushrooms [Re: rcm2110]
#19194692 - 11/26/13 11:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would assume if the reason for taking SNRI is for nerve damage, then maybe just maybe it is Selective Norephinephrine..., rather than Serotonin-Norephinephrine...since I don't really know how serotonin would play any role in increasing neural responsiveness, while Norephinephrine would be used to increase muscle and neural activity. Do you have the Rx label where you can read what it is?
But, when you say you get grumpy after cutting off the SNRI, that suggests it contain Serotonin, and you are experiencing a drop in Serotonin....OR you are possibly just having hormonal imbalance issues, by cutting off Norephinephrine. Aarrghhh. I'm going to bed. LOL. report back with what your doctor says.
Edited by jet li (11/26/13 11:42 PM)
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Re: Please help me Identify these grown mushrooms [Re: jet li]
#19194816 - 11/27/13 12:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't think that psilocin actually increases levels of serotonin in the brain, rather it interacts with the brain by binding to serotonin receptors. The increase of serotonin molecules caused by SSRIs or SNRIs quite literally crowds out the psilocin molecules, decreasing the number of available binding sites, and muting the effects of the mushrooms. I believe this is the reason people on SSRIs or SNRIs generally have a higher tolerance to mushrooms, as well as the reason that there is cross tolerance with LSD, as that acts on serotonin receptors as well.
I take a fairly high dose of Zoloft, an SSRI, and have a very high threshold for mushrooms. 3g (of cubensis) will do almost nothing for me
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Re: Please help me Identify these grown mushrooms [Re: raceme]
#19194838 - 11/27/13 12:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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raceme said: SNRIs quite literally crowd out the psilocin molecules, decreasing the number of available binding sites.
Yes, this. But I wasn't saying the Psilocin causes an increase in Serotonin. I was saying certain dosage of Psilocin has shown in studies to increase Hippocampal neurogenesis.
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Re: Please help me Identify these grown mushrooms [Re: jet li]
#19194870 - 11/27/13 12:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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raceme said: SNRIs quite literally crowd out the psilocin molecules, decreasing the number of available binding sites.
Yes, this. But I wasn't saying the Psilocin causes an increase in Serotonin. I was saying certain dosage of Psilocin has shown in studies to increase Hippocampal neurogenesis.
well the study says directly on the dentate gyrus
-------------------- ~~~~~~***Psilocybin Mushrooms***~~~~~~ _________A Practical Guide To Psilocybin Mushrooms_________ "Think about the species, not your scale". -NeoSporen "Mr. Joust, I see you don't actually partake in the psilocin, but it looks like it may partake in you!" -Gojira
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Re: Please help me Identify these grown mushrooms [Re: Joust]
#19194877 - 11/27/13 12:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes, in lab rats. But it is believed that primates/humans are different in that we have basal dendrites which pass information from dentate gyrus neurons to cell bodies outside the dentate gyrus.
Which sorta takes us back to another discussion we were having somewhere in this forum, regarding the limited learning capabilities based on that study. But it only suggests this absolute limit in the studies mammals being lab rats. Not to jump to any conclusions or anything, but it is easy to imagine the difference in a much more intelligent being like homo sapiens.
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Re: Please help me Identify these grown mushrooms (moved) [Re: rcm2110]
#19195629 - 11/27/13 09:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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This thread was moved from Mushroom Hunting and Identification.
Reason: Fits better here
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Re: Please help me Identify these grown mushrooms (moved) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#19195648 - 11/27/13 09:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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just eat the god damn fungus and report back
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