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#19193746 - 11/26/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Big Government--let me add greedy government--has an analogy to drugs that fits perfect.
Big Government creates the symptoms--corruption, weak growth, growing poor and dependant class, high prices, stifling regulations, and loss of freedom--that requires the people addicted to big government to grovel on their bended hands and knees before their Elitists Masters in Washington, D.C., begging for another scrap to be thrown from the table of the Elite, and then wag their tails and obey like good little puppy dogs as they await the next scrap. They only have to sacrifice their pride, dignity, and freedom to keep the scraps coming--the scraps of which, cost them a vote for the guy who gives out Free Stuff.
On the other hand, the big Elitist Government Goons are addicted to the spending that allows them to keep a stock of bones to throw to the good little puppy dogs, and allows them to keep the votes coming in.
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: starfire_xes]
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Have you ever been to a country with a small govt . It's kinda weird. 13 years ago I went to a country in South America with no social services at all . No public education . Very little tax revenue. If you couldn't pay to send your kids to grade school they grew up in the street fighting other kids to wash car windows for change . Or sell bags of water . That's right bags . They were too poor for bottles. Old sick people died in the street . You may be cool with it but guess what , these people need a place to die . And it's usually in front of of a store laying on the ground with their hand out , sometimes holding a child dying right along side them . What really got me about that was the smell . The smell of a sick infected pesoless person on there way out , is allot to handle on your way into the store . I don't know about you , I'd would rather just pay taxes and not have to explain that shit to my daughter on my way into wallmart. I saw something there I'll never forget. We we're driving through the mountains in the middle of nowhere and we came upon a milk truck that had crashed and flipped over . The side split open and milk cartons where everywhere . People were coming out of the jungle from all directions taking the milk and running off . No one was helping the driver . That's what happens when scociety just casts poor people aside . They don't go find jobs that don't exist , mostly because they don't exist . They starve they die they can turn inhuman .
And you will have to live with them . I can promise you one thing for sure , that level of desperation in a society where everyone has a cheap gun surrounding you will not make you feel more free. It really sucks , it's scary . It's why my wife left , it's why when I first met her she told me she thought the best thing about the US was our tax system and our big govt . When she said that to me I thought , well that's fuckin stupid . And then I visited her country and I was like , ohh fuuuuckk she's right .
Oh and by the way referencing Stalin and hitler a something you do when you are losing an argument. You shouldn't start off that way.
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: psilynut] 2
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usually the "small governments" you and others cite aren't actually small governments. They are dictatorial governments with huge amounts of central authority.
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#19194422 - 11/26/13 09:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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psyconaught said: usually the "small governments" you and others cite aren't actually small governments. They are dictatorial governments with huge amounts of central authority.
Yep those poor countries generally have Marxists in power that control most of the wealth and as such the society suffers. Incentives aren't there for the average person to start a business access to capital is limited.
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19194455 - 11/26/13 10:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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"Small government" what a joke. Who would be stupid enough to pay taxes for a government that does nothing? What would be the point?
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: Lynnch]
#19194470 - 11/26/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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your thinking of anarchy. Small governments still perform government functions.
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: psyconaught]
#19194640 - 11/26/13 11:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Like...what exactly? Where is the line between big government and small government? It wouldn't happen to be an arbitrary belief based on agreement with the programs you believe you benefit from and disagreement with those you don't, would it?
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: Lynnch] 1
#19194675 - 11/26/13 11:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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everyone has their own 'arbitrary' beliefs about where government should be. Communist government? arbitrary. Socialist? arbitrary. Democratic? arbitrary.
Having said that where anyone believes the government should be is obviously a personal opinion. I think the government should be in place where free market systems are not feasibly able to fill that gap. Police, prisons, military, some small social nets, some small environmental regulations, etc. I don't benefit personally from welfare, yet i still agree with a limited welfare system 
i'm not sure what point your getting at. Is anarchy the answer?
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: starfire_xes]
#19194705 - 11/26/13 11:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am also honestly interested in knowing which programs you believe would best be cut? Would small Government include a smaller military? Less corporate welfare? Cuts to regular welfare? In your opinion what are the most wasteful Government programs/policies?
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#19194715 - 11/26/13 11:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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off the top of my head; the war on drugs (DEA), all corporate subsidies/welfare, drastically cut the military, overhaul and shrink public welfare.
There are more than that and there are also programs/agencies that need to be overhauled as opposed to complete elimination.
And to be clear on public welfare, i definitely believe it should exist. Although in a reformed state, welfare should be a helping hand when your down, not something to be lived off of for years on end.
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: psyconaught]
#19194845 - 11/27/13 12:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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psyconaught said: off the top of my head; the war on drugs (DEA), all corporate subsidies/welfare, drastically cut the military, overhaul and shrink public welfare.
There are more than that and there are also programs/agencies that need to be overhauled as opposed to complete elimination.
And to be clear on public welfare, i definitely believe it should exist. Although in a reformed state, welfare should be a helping hand when your down, not something to be lived off of for years on end.
I completely agree
I know this may not be popular, but it runs along the lines of Government filling in what the free market will not, I think that the free market running healthcare can be wasteful, the fact that hospitals AND insurance companies both pull a profit on providing what I feel amounts to an essential service is excessively costly, inefficient and tantamount to for profit policing or firefighters.. I also believe this is why Affordable Care Act is so troublesome..
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: starfire_xes]
#19196646 - 11/27/13 01:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: Big Government--let me add greedy government--has an analogy to drugs that fits perfect.
Big Government creates the symptoms--corruption, weak growth, growing poor and dependant class, high prices, stifling regulations, and loss of freedom--that requires the people addicted to big government to grovel on their bended hands and knees before their Elitists Masters in Washington, D.C., begging for another scrap to be thrown from the table of the Elite, and then wag their tails and obey like good little puppy dogs as they await the next scrap. They only have to sacrifice their pride, dignity, and freedom to keep the scraps coming--the scraps of which, cost them a vote for the guy who gives out Free Stuff.
On the other hand, the big Elitist Government Goons are addicted to the spending that allows them to keep a stock of bones to throw to the good little puppy dogs, and allows them to keep the votes coming in.
Stalin had a reason for saying that 'Gratitude is For Dogs' 
It is like a drug. I saw a gambling addict gamble addicted in a way no crack head could rival. Sure crack heads sell their furniture for crack whore their wife etc. and often more. This guy on the other hand sold his house, kept his job while gambling his life away, managed to save just a little bit of money, bought another house, sold it also, lost everything, lived at the casino as they comped him and then spent even easier as he was living in the casino instead of driving to it, then lost it all, and is now homeless.
I guess that's a weird analogy, but basically survival is a necessity, greed is a drug. People will do for money what no crack head will do for crack, they'll support a dictator, live a lie, buy a false dream, kill people for money. How many people would a crack head kill for money? Just enough to get crack. Money is a drug you can't ever get enough of, a person who kills for money will never stop killing. Survival itself is an addiction, and comfort as well.
People who get a natural high off their own chemistry from things such as comfort or power or the feeling of greed it's like a high that can't be rivalled by anything because you are high off yourself. Just my perspective, but I've never seen drugs turn people the way material values and power and control turn people. It seems to me being in absolute control or what you think is absolute control is a high once you get it it never goes away. And ignorance is bliss, people love to be led like a dog to the big steak. If they get even a tiny piece of steak, and it's consistent, then it's easy for them to continue to support whoever reaps from their same pocket in order to continue the bliss of comfort.
Sound familiar?
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: imachavel]
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And to be clear on public welfare, i definitely believe it should exist. Although in a reformed state, welfare should be a helping hand when your down, not something to be lived off of for years on end.
That's what privet charity is for.
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: setb]
#19197004 - 11/27/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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And to be clear on public welfare, i definitely believe it should exist. Although in a reformed state, welfare should be a helping hand when your down, not something to be lived off of for years on end.
That's what privet charity is for.
agreed private charity should be the major player. however its idealistic to think that it will be available in every single situation.
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#19197285 - 11/27/13 04:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd also say that welfare is necessary maintain stability. A poor, hungry, freezing, population is dangerous.
The current system is flawed, of course, but a full abolishment of all welfare would soon bring about the end of our society as we know it.
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: Enlil]
#19197298 - 11/27/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Romans had there bread and circuses for the masses for fear of revolts the US is probably following there example.
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19197684 - 11/27/13 06:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Who was it that said 'Society is only three meals away from a revolution' (paraphrased)
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: psyconaught]
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And to be clear on public welfare, i definitely believe it should exist. Although in a reformed state, welfare should be a helping hand when your down, not something to be lived off of for years on end.
That's what privet charity is for.
agreed private charity should be the major player. however its idealistic to think that it will be available in every single situation.
And don't bother paying them a decent wage so they could get off the dole.
Private charity can not solve the problem we have in the country. That's as stupid as paying the doctor with chickens.
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: sweeper54]
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And to be clear on public welfare, i definitely believe it should exist. Although in a reformed state, welfare should be a helping hand when your down, not something to be lived off of for years on end.
That's what privet charity is for.
agreed private charity should be the major player. however its idealistic to think that it will be available in every single situation.
And don't bother paying them a decent wage so they could get off the dole.
Private charity can not solve the problem we have in the country. That's as stupid as paying the doctor with chickens.
whats a decent wage?
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: psyconaught]
#19199387 - 11/28/13 05:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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psyconaught said: whats a decent wage?
Burgers flippers need to be able to buy a Mercedes and a Rolex or it's just not fair.
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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psyconaught said: whats a decent wage?
Burgers flippers need to be able to buy a Mercedes and a Rolex or it's just not fair.
No one is saying that and as usual you don't want to face the poor in america. Somehow these people need to be lifted up and be able to support themselves. But you people don't to raise the Minimum Wage and want to cut assitance programs. Let them depend of "Charity". And don't think about letting them have health care that's being provided not by the government but private insurers.
Just sit there and bad mouth them.
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: sweeper54]
#19199689 - 11/28/13 07:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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There should be no minimum wage and there should be no programs for the poor.
Make it on your own or let others voluntarily aid them.
But taking from those who do, to give to those who don't... is not the right way to go. Unless your trying to coddle people to the point that you have generations of families become and remain wards of the state.
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#19199699 - 11/28/13 08:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Whether they should or shouldn't exist is irrelevant. Programs for the poor are, to a degree, necessary to maintain a stable social order.
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: Enlil]
#19199716 - 11/28/13 08:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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If the programs weren't there the poor would be too busy trying to not be poor to foment much disruption to social order.
I wish the poor no ill-will, I just believe that the programs do little more than create more poor.
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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If the programs for the poor WEREN'T there you'd still have to pay extra for the things other people would have to spend to give to the poor, i.e... HEALTHCARE.
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: sweeper54]
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The "no programs for the poor" would include healthcare. There should be no governmental health care for anyone, rich, poor or somewhere in the middle.
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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I think he's talking about hospitals that are required to give emergency care in life-threatening situations even if the patient has no ability to pay. Obviously, someone ultimately pays for that.
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I may have been unclear. Hospitals should not be required to treat anyone.
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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What do you define as "big governement"?
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luvdemshrooms said: The "no programs for the poor" would include healthcare. There should be no governmental health care for anyone, rich, poor or somewhere in the middle.
Dude there is no "GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE " for the middle income or the rich. There is a requirement that the coverage you have is worth something if you are sick or injured and that you have coverage. Even for the poor the coverage is thorough private companies they just get help paying for it, which is a lot cheaper then having them use the ER.
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: sweeper54]
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How many times and how many different ways would you like me to state I am opposed to the government being involved in health care? Or coverage for care?
Because if you have a number I'll hit it in just one post.
Let's try a few more.
The government should not provide health care. The government should not mandate coverage. The government should not be involved in health research. The government should not mandate people be cared for at emergency rooms.
Now, any specific ones I missed?
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Yes. What about government mandating licensing standards for doctors and other health care professionals?
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: Enlil]
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State or federal government?
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The government should not provide health care.
I don't know how many different ways to tell you: THE GOVERNMENTIS NOT PROVIDING HEALTHCARE.
IT'S BEING PROVIDED BY PRIVATE COMPANIES.
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The government should not mandate coverage.
Thousands of people lose everything they have to being turned down on a claim by insurance companies, it's the leading cause of people losing their homes and going bankrupt, but you done give a fuck about people and about all those bankrupts that require people to go on federal assistants
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The government should not mandate people be cared for at emergency rooms.
You are truly a heartless and cold individual and hopefully you'll be one of the ones turned down by the ER
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starfire_xes said: State or federal government?
Either/or
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: Enlil]
#19201231 - 11/28/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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federal government shouldn't have a say in it. leave it up to the local governments.
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: starfire_xes]
#19201239 - 11/28/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Its easier to standardize something if its an higher instance that does it
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: Enlil]
#19201314 - 11/28/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Yes. What about government mandating licensing standards for doctors and other health care professionals?
That would be the ballywick of the states. Thanks for reminding me to be more specific. I should have specified I was speaking of the federal government.
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#19201319 - 11/28/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: How many times and how many different ways would you like me to state I am opposed to the government being involved in health care? Or coverage for care?
Because if you have a number I'll hit it in just one post.
Let's try a few more.
The government should not provide health care. The government should not mandate coverage. The government should not be involved in health research. The government should not mandate people be cared for at emergency rooms.
Now, any specific ones I missed?
In your opinion what qualifies something as an essential service like firefighting and policing which the Government should provide and what disqualifies it?
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: sweeper54]
#19201344 - 11/28/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The government should not provide health care.
I don't know how many different ways to tell you: THE GOVERNMENTIS NOT PROVIDING HEALTHCARE.
IT'S BEING PROVIDED BY PRIVATE COMPANIES.
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The government should not mandate coverage.
Thousands of people lose everything they have to being turned down on a claim by insurance companies, it's the leading cause of people losing their homes and going bankrupt, but you done give a fuck about people and about all those bankrupts that require people to go on federal assistants
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The government should not mandate people be cared for at emergency rooms.
You are truly a heartless and cold individual and hopefully you'll be one of the ones turned down by the ER
I didn't say the government was providing health care. I said they should not. I'm sorry you fail to grasp the difference between the two.
You're right about one thing. I don't give a fuck about people going bankrupt. If you do then give your money, and whoever elses you can get to chip in, to donate to them.
And your last comment was the dumbest of all: 1. Believing the feds shouldn't do something doesn't mean I'm heartless, just that I realize what a clusterfuck the feds make of big programs. 2. I put my money where my mouth is and I donate mid 5 figures to charities every year. How much do you give? 3. When I see a semi-local story about people losing everything when their house/apt burns down, I drop a large check into the funds set up to help them. Do you?
It would take a complete idiot to equate not wanting the feds to do something with not doing something myself. Frankly... I hope you're not that stupid.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: Insidious]
#19201349 - 11/28/13 03:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Insidious said: In your opinion what qualifies something as an essential service like firefighting and policing which the Government should provide and what disqualifies it?
I would rather see just about everything that government does, privatized. That includes building roads and fighting fires. There is no incentive for a government to be careful with your money.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#19201474 - 11/28/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You're right about one thing. I don't give a fuck about people going bankrupt. If you do then give your money, and whoever elses you can get to chip in, to donate to them.
And your last comment was the dumbest of all: 1. Believing the feds shouldn't do something doesn't mean I'm heartless, just that I realize what a clusterfuck the feds make of big programs. 2. I put my money where my mouth is and I donate mid 5 figures to charities every year. How much do you give? 3. When I see a semi-local story about people losing everything when their house/apt burns down, I drop a large check into the funds set up to help them. Do you?
It would take a complete idiot to equate not wanting the feds to do something with not doing something myself. Frankly... I hope you're not that stupid.
If this is true then at least you practise what you preach and that's commendable.. I agree with a lot of what you say in theory, but in reality I think the free market is too apt to be greedy and exploitive and Government waste becomes the lesser of two evils...
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: Insidious]
#19201517 - 11/28/13 04:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Insidious said:
I agree with a lot of what you say in theory, but in reality I think the free market is too apt to be greedy and exploitive and Government waste becomes the lesser of two evils...
I agree with a lot of what you say in theory, but in reality I think the GOVERNMENT is too apt to be greedy and exploitive and FREE MARKET CREATION OF JOBS AND WEALTH becomes the lesser of two evils...
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: Insidious]
#19201520 - 11/28/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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If I preach it, I practice it. It's how I was raised. I believe very strongly in doing the right thing.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#19201870 - 11/28/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've given 2% for the past 20 years and now sponsor a child overseas.
This country is too large and there are far too many people in need not to have government help. The charity of individuals is not enough.
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: sweeper54]
#19201890 - 11/28/13 06:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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sweeper54 said: I've given 2% for the past 20 years and now sponsor a child overseas.
This country is too large and there are far too many people in need not to have government help. The charity of individuals is not enough.
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sweeper54 said: I've given 2% for the past 20 years and now sponsor a child overseas.
This country is too large and there are far too many people in need not to have government help. The charity of individuals is not enough.
I almost agree with you but...here is what bothers me. Why can I get a tax break for giving to strangers i.e. the United Negro College Fund but if I give for college to my own children i don't get a tax break?
Perhaps family values should be revisited in the US where family helps out family, like in the old day, and neighbor helps neighbor--not the government takes it and helps who THEY want?
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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: starfire_xes]
#19201989 - 11/28/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The old days are gone. It didn't take as much to give a person or family a helping hand up.
If you could write off your family donations then the rich won't have to "HIRE" their brats to funnel money to them.
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