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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19199554 - 11/28/13 06:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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whats a decent wage?




Burgers flippers need to be able to buy a Mercedes and a Rolex or it's just not fair.




No one is saying that and as usual you don't want to face the poor in america. Somehow these people need to be lifted up and be able to support themselves. But you people don't to raise the Minimum Wage and want to cut assitance programs. Let them depend of "Charity". And don't think about letting them have health care that's being provided not by the government but private insurers.

Just sit there and bad mouth them.


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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: sweeper54]
    #19199689 - 11/28/13 07:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

There should be no minimum wage and there should be no programs for the poor.

Make it on your own or let others voluntarily aid them.

But taking from those who do, to give to those who don't... is not the right way to go. Unless your trying to coddle people to the point that you have generations of families become and remain wards of the state.


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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19199699 - 11/28/13 08:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Whether they should or shouldn't exist is irrelevant.  Programs for the poor are, to a degree, necessary to maintain a stable social order.


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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: Enlil]
    #19199716 - 11/28/13 08:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If the programs weren't there the poor would be too busy trying to not be poor to foment much disruption to social order.

I wish the poor no ill-will, I just believe that the programs do little more than create more poor.


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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19200391 - 11/28/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If the programs for the poor WEREN'T there you'd still have to pay extra for the things other people would have to spend to give to the poor, i.e... HEALTHCARE.


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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: sweeper54]
    #19200399 - 11/28/13 11:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The "no programs for the poor" would include healthcare. There should be no governmental health care for anyone, rich, poor or somewhere in the middle.


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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19200402 - 11/28/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think he's talking about hospitals that are required to give emergency care in life-threatening situations even if the patient has no ability to pay.  Obviously, someone ultimately pays for that.


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    #19200424 - 11/28/13 11:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I may have been unclear. Hospitals should not be required to treat anyone.


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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19200813 - 11/28/13 01:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What do you define as "big governement"?


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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19200893 - 11/28/13 01:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The "no programs for the poor" would include healthcare. There should be no governmental health care for anyone, rich, poor or somewhere in the middle.





Dude there is no "GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE " for the middle income or the rich. There is a requirement that the coverage you have is worth something if you are sick or injured and that you have coverage. Even for the poor the coverage is thorough private companies they just get help paying for it, which is a lot cheaper then having them use the ER.


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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: sweeper54]
    #19201027 - 11/28/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

How many times and how many different ways would you like me to state I am opposed to the government being involved in health care? Or coverage for care?

Because if you have a number I'll hit it in just one post.

Let's try a few more.

The government should not provide health care.
The government should not mandate coverage.
The government should not be involved in health research.
The government should not mandate people be cared for at emergency rooms.

Now, any specific ones I missed?


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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19201190 - 11/28/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yes.  What about government mandating licensing standards for doctors and other health care professionals?


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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: Enlil]
    #19201203 - 11/28/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

State or federal government?


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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19201223 - 11/28/13 03:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The government should not provide health care.




I don't know how many different ways to tell you: THE GOVERNMENTIS NOT PROVIDING HEALTHCARE.

IT'S BEING PROVIDED BY PRIVATE COMPANIES.

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The government should not mandate coverage.




Thousands of people lose everything they have to being turned down on a claim by insurance companies, it's the leading cause of people losing their homes and going bankrupt, but you done give a fuck about people and about all those bankrupts that require people to go on federal assistants


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The government should not mandate people be cared for at emergency rooms.




You are truly a heartless and cold individual and hopefully you'll be one of the ones turned down by the ER


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    #19201225 - 11/28/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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State or federal government?



Either/or


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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: Enlil]
    #19201231 - 11/28/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

federal government shouldn't have a say in it.  leave it up to the local governments.


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    #19201239 - 11/28/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Its easier to standardize something if its an higher instance that does it


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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: Enlil]
    #19201314 - 11/28/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Yes.  What about government mandating licensing standards for doctors and other health care professionals?




That would be the ballywick of the states. Thanks for reminding me to be more specific. I should have specified I was speaking of the federal government.


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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19201319 - 11/28/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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How many times and how many different ways would you like me to state I am opposed to the government being involved in health care? Or coverage for care?

Because if you have a number I'll hit it in just one post.

Let's try a few more.

The government should not provide health care.
The government should not mandate coverage.
The government should not be involved in health research.
The government should not mandate people be cared for at emergency rooms.

Now, any specific ones I missed?




In your opinion what qualifies something as an essential service like firefighting and policing which the Government should provide and what disqualifies it?


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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: sweeper54]
    #19201344 - 11/28/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The government should not provide health care.




I don't know how many different ways to tell you: THE GOVERNMENTIS NOT PROVIDING HEALTHCARE.

IT'S BEING PROVIDED BY PRIVATE COMPANIES.

Quote:

The government should not mandate coverage.




Thousands of people lose everything they have to being turned down on a claim by insurance companies, it's the leading cause of people losing their homes and going bankrupt, but you done give a fuck about people and about all those bankrupts that require people to go on federal assistants


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The government should not mandate people be cared for at emergency rooms.




You are truly a heartless and cold individual and hopefully you'll be one of the ones turned down by the ER




I didn't say the government was providing health care. I said they should not. I'm sorry you fail to grasp the difference between the two.

You're right about one thing. I don't give a fuck about people going bankrupt. If you do then give your money, and whoever elses you can get to chip in, to donate to them.

And your last comment was the dumbest of all:
1. Believing the feds shouldn't do something doesn't mean I'm heartless, just that I realize what a clusterfuck the feds make of big programs.
2. I put my money where my mouth is and I donate mid 5 figures to charities every year. How much do you give?
3. When I see a semi-local story about people losing everything when their house/apt burns down, I drop a large check into the funds set up to help them. Do you?

It would take a complete idiot to equate not wanting the feds to do something with not doing something myself. Frankly... I hope you're not that stupid.


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