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Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... * 3
    #19193746 - 11/26/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Big Government--let me add greedy government--has an analogy to drugs that fits perfect.

Big Government creates the symptoms--corruption, weak growth, growing poor and dependant class, high prices, stifling regulations, and loss of freedom--that requires the people addicted to big government to grovel on their bended hands and knees before their Elitists Masters in Washington, D.C., begging for another scrap to be thrown from the table of the Elite, and then wag their tails and obey like good little puppy dogs as they await the next scrap.  They only have to sacrifice their pride, dignity, and freedom to keep the scraps coming--the scraps of which, cost them a vote for the guy who gives out Free Stuff.

On the other hand, the big Elitist Government Goons are addicted to the spending that allows them to keep a stock of bones to throw to the good little puppy dogs, and allows them to keep the votes coming in.

Stalin had a reason for saying that 'Gratitude is For Dogs' :smirk:


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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19194395 - 11/26/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Have you ever been to a country with a small govt . It's kinda weird. 13 years ago I went to a country in South America with no social services at all . No public education . Very little tax revenue. 
  If you couldn't pay to send your kids to grade school they grew up in the street fighting other kids to wash car  windows for change . Or sell  bags of water . That's right bags . They were too poor for bottles.
  Old sick people died in the street . You may be cool with it  but guess what , these people need a place to die . And it's usually in front of of a store laying on the ground with their hand out , sometimes holding a child dying    right along side them .  What really got me about that was the smell . The smell of a sick infected pesoless  person on there way out , is allot  to handle  on your way into the store .
  I don't know about you , I'd would rather just pay taxes and not have to explain that shit to my daughter on my way into wallmart.
  I saw something there I'll never forget. We we're driving through the mountains in the middle of nowhere and we came upon a milk truck that had crashed and flipped over . The side split open and milk cartons where everywhere . People were coming out of the jungle from all directions taking the milk and running off . No one was helping the driver . That's what happens when scociety just casts poor people aside . They don't go find jobs that don't exist , mostly because they don't exist . They starve they die they can turn inhuman .

  And  you will have to live with  them . I can promise you one thing for sure , that level of desperation in a  society where everyone has a cheap gun surrounding you will not make you feel more free.  It  really sucks , it's scary .
  It's why my wife left , it's why when I first met her she told me she thought the best thing about the US was our tax system and our big govt . When she said that to me I thought , well that's fuckin stupid . And then I visited her country and I was like , ohh fuuuuckk  she's right .

Oh and by the way referencing Stalin and hitler a something you do when you are losing an argument. You shouldn't start off that way.


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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: psilynut] * 2
    #19194412 - 11/26/13 09:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

usually the "small governments" you and others cite aren't actually small governments. They are dictatorial governments with huge amounts of central authority.


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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: psyconaught] * 1
    #19194422 - 11/26/13 09:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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usually the "small governments" you and others cite aren't actually small governments. They are dictatorial governments with huge amounts of central authority.



Yep those poor countries generally have Marxists in power that control most of the wealth and as such the society suffers. Incentives aren't there for the average person to start a business access to capital is limited.


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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #19194455 - 11/26/13 10:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

"Small government" :lol: what a joke. Who would be stupid enough to pay taxes for a government that does nothing? What would be the point?


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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: Lynnch]
    #19194470 - 11/26/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

your thinking of anarchy. Small governments still perform government functions.


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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: psyconaught]
    #19194640 - 11/26/13 11:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Like...what exactly? Where is the line between big government and small government? It wouldn't happen to be an arbitrary belief based on agreement with the programs you believe you benefit from and disagreement with those you don't, would it?


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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: Lynnch] * 1
    #19194675 - 11/26/13 11:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

everyone has their own 'arbitrary' beliefs about where government should be. Communist government? arbitrary. Socialist? arbitrary. Democratic? arbitrary.

Having said that where anyone believes the government should be is obviously a personal opinion. I think the government should be in place where free market systems are not feasibly able to fill that gap. Police, prisons, military, some small social nets, some small environmental regulations, etc. I don't benefit personally from welfare, yet i still agree with a limited welfare system :shrug:

i'm not sure what point your getting at. Is anarchy the answer?


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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19194705 - 11/26/13 11:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I am also honestly interested in knowing which programs you believe would best be cut? Would small Government include a smaller military? Less corporate welfare? Cuts to regular welfare? In your opinion what are the most wasteful Government programs/policies?


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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: Insidious] * 1
    #19194715 - 11/26/13 11:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

off the top of my head; the war on drugs (DEA), all corporate subsidies/welfare, drastically cut the military, overhaul and shrink public welfare.

There are more than that and there are also programs/agencies that need to be overhauled as opposed to complete elimination.

And to be clear on public welfare, i definitely believe it should exist. Although in a reformed state, welfare should be a helping hand when your down, not something to be lived off of for years on end.


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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: psyconaught]
    #19194845 - 11/27/13 12:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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psyconaught said:
off the top of my head; the war on drugs (DEA), all corporate subsidies/welfare, drastically cut the military, overhaul and shrink public welfare.

There are more than that and there are also programs/agencies that need to be overhauled as opposed to complete elimination.

And to be clear on public welfare, i definitely believe it should exist. Although in a reformed state, welfare should be a helping hand when your down, not something to be lived off of for years on end.




I completely agree :thumbup:

I know this may not be popular, but it runs along the lines of Government filling in what the free market will not, I think that the free market running healthcare can be wasteful, the fact that hospitals AND insurance companies both pull a profit on providing what I feel amounts to an essential service is excessively costly, inefficient and tantamount to for profit policing or firefighters.. I also believe this is why Affordable Care Act is so troublesome..


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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19196646 - 11/27/13 01:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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starfire_xes said:
Big Government--let me add greedy government--has an analogy to drugs that fits perfect.

Big Government creates the symptoms--corruption, weak growth, growing poor and dependant class, high prices, stifling regulations, and loss of freedom--that requires the people addicted to big government to grovel on their bended hands and knees before their Elitists Masters in Washington, D.C., begging for another scrap to be thrown from the table of the Elite, and then wag their tails and obey like good little puppy dogs as they await the next scrap.  They only have to sacrifice their pride, dignity, and freedom to keep the scraps coming--the scraps of which, cost them a vote for the guy who gives out Free Stuff.

On the other hand, the big Elitist Government Goons are addicted to the spending that allows them to keep a stock of bones to throw to the good little puppy dogs, and allows them to keep the votes coming in.

Stalin had a reason for saying that 'Gratitude is For Dogs' :smirk:




It is like a drug. I saw a gambling addict gamble addicted in a way no crack head could rival. Sure crack heads sell their furniture for crack whore their wife etc. and often more. This guy on the other hand sold his house, kept his job while gambling his life away, managed to save just a little bit of money, bought another house, sold it also, lost everything, lived at the casino as they comped him and then spent even easier as he was living in the casino instead of driving to it, then lost it all, and is now homeless.

I guess that's a weird analogy, but basically survival is a necessity, greed is a drug. People will do for money what no crack head will do for crack, they'll support a dictator, live a lie, buy a false dream, kill people for money. How many people would a crack head kill for money? Just enough to get crack. Money is a drug you can't ever get enough of, a person who kills for money will never stop killing. Survival itself is an addiction, and comfort as well.

People who get a natural high off their own chemistry from things such as comfort or power or the feeling of greed it's like a high that can't be rivalled by anything because you are high off yourself. Just my perspective, but I've never seen drugs turn people the way material values and power and control turn people. It seems to me being in absolute control or what you think is absolute control is a high once you get it it never goes away. And ignorance is bliss, people love to be led like a dog to the big steak. If they get even a tiny piece of steak, and it's consistent, then it's easy for them to continue to support whoever reaps from their same pocket in order to continue the bliss of comfort.

Sound familiar?


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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: imachavel]
    #19196969 - 11/27/13 03:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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And to be clear on public welfare, i definitely believe it should exist. Although in a reformed state, welfare should be a helping hand when your down, not something to be lived off of for years on end.




That's what privet charity is for.


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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: setb]
    #19197004 - 11/27/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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And to be clear on public welfare, i definitely believe it should exist. Although in a reformed state, welfare should be a helping hand when your down, not something to be lived off of for years on end.




That's what privet charity is for.



agreed private charity should be the major player. however its idealistic to think that it will be available in every single situation.


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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: psyconaught] * 1
    #19197285 - 11/27/13 04:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'd also say that welfare is necessary maintain stability.  A poor, hungry, freezing, population is dangerous.

The current system is flawed, of course, but a full abolishment of all welfare would soon bring about the end of our society as we know it.


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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: Enlil]
    #19197298 - 11/27/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The Romans had there bread and circuses for the masses for fear of revolts the US is probably following there example.


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    #19197684 - 11/27/13 06:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Who was it that said 'Society is only three meals away from a revolution'  (paraphrased)


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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: psyconaught]
    #19197896 - 11/27/13 07:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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setb said:
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And to be clear on public welfare, i definitely believe it should exist. Although in a reformed state, welfare should be a helping hand when your down, not something to be lived off of for years on end.




That's what privet charity is for.



agreed private charity should be the major player. however its idealistic to think that it will be available in every single situation.





And don't bother paying them a decent wage so they could get off the dole.

Private charity can not solve the problem we have in the country. That's as stupid as paying the doctor with chickens.


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    #19197899 - 11/27/13 07:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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psyconaught said:
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setb said:
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And to be clear on public welfare, i definitely believe it should exist. Although in a reformed state, welfare should be a helping hand when your down, not something to be lived off of for years on end.




That's what privet charity is for.



agreed private charity should be the major player. however its idealistic to think that it will be available in every single situation.





And don't bother paying them a decent wage so they could get off the dole.

Private charity can not solve the problem we have in the country. That's as stupid as paying the doctor with chickens.



whats a decent wage?


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Re: Big Government Is To The People As Drugs Are To An Addict... [Re: psyconaught]
    #19199387 - 11/28/13 05:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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whats a decent wage?




Burgers flippers need to be able to buy a Mercedes and a Rolex or it's just not fair.


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