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Re: Have I just been brainwashed or am I missing something? [Re: redgreenvines]
#19197328 - 11/27/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: the research shows that the drug does not give you the life changing result. it does not teach you what you want. it does not show you what you should want. it is not a big fix-me-upper.
you give you the result when you can and not before, and often not at all. not everybody gets the pizzazzeronian enlightenment, nor even the wonderland or any super perspective, with or without demons deities or entities.
jobs was somewhat of a creative dude, so he lucked out. many of us luck out and find satisfactory mind expansion results.
most dont, and even more never even try nor are they interested in any of it.
your predicament is that you think you want to experience something, and you think it is related to lsd or mushrooms.
I am not sure that you do know what you want to find, or if you are chasing it away by being too certain of what it is. you can actually be so certain of what you are looking for, that it is not recognized dancing right in front of you.
expectation can really screw a "seeker" up.
! good thread so far 
I gotta say though, even if that one big trip that changes everything were to be experienced, it would be hard to bring it into this culture (that is sick in many ways). Set/Setting plays a role in non-drug induced experience too.
Edited by Hobozen (11/27/13 04:52 PM)
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Re: Have I just been brainwashed or am I missing something? [Re: backfire16]
#19197627 - 11/27/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlightenment is one of those indefinable concepts that means different things to everyone who hears it. I believe it is possible to have a single experience or moment that completely changes your personality, but those moments are as rare and random as winning the lottery. Psychedelics in particular guarantee nothing, and even when they do give us glimpses of our best selves those insights are not a panacea. At best they merely show us what is possible through effort.
You reap what you sow and get what you give. It's no different for psychedelics. An experienced practitioner with open heart, tranquil mind, and pure body will likely get much more from the experience then your average brainwashed couch potato, but even then the drug is just a boost (or a potentiator- good word ). It can only work with what is already there.
Depression and anxiety are also epidemics in our neck of the globe. Don't beat yourself up for being susceptible like the rest of us. Psychedelics can't fix any of the external forces negatively affecting your psyche. If they did we'd be passing them out like prozac. The most they can do in this situation is help you to see the problems. It's up to you to find the solutions and do the work of implementing them, though I know that is easier said than done.
Edited by Mr Person (11/28/13 12:51 AM)
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Re: Have I just been brainwashed or am I missing something? *DELETED* [Re: Mr Person]
#19197661 - 11/27/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mr Person said: Enlightenment is one of those indefinable concepts that means different things to everyone who hears it. I believe it is possible to have a single experience or moment that completely changes your personality, but those moments are as rare and random as winning the lottery. Psychedelics in particular guarantee nothing, and even when they do give us glimpses of our best selves the insights they provide are not a panacea. At best they merely show us what is possible through effort.
You reap what you sow and get what you give. It's no different for psychadelics. An experienced practitioner with open heart, tranquil mind, and pure body will likely get much more from the experience then your average brainwashed couch potato, but even then the drug is just a boost (or a potentiator- good word ). It can only work with what is already there.
Depression and anxiety are also epidemics in our neck of the globe. Don't beat yourself up for being susceptible like the rest of us. Psychadelics can't fix any of the external forces negatively affecting your psyche. If they did we'd be passing them out like prozac. The most they can do in this situation is help you to see the problems. It's up to you to find the solutions and do the work of implementing them.
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Re: set and setting [Re: Hobozen]
#19199476 - 11/28/13 06:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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After any trans-formative boost (like taking a psychedelic - or having emotional catharsis) I would attribute the following balance when analyzing the why's for outcome: 80% mindset 20% physical setting
and mindset is not just how you think you feel about it, it is who you are through and through.
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Re: Have I just been brainwashed or am I missing something? *DELETED* [Re: backfire16]
#19200060 - 11/28/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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backfire16 said: My quest at the moment is graduating from college, getting a full-time job and moving back out on my own. The plan is to eventually get a Candian Pardon that would essentially wipe my criminal record clean so I can get into the field of work that I've always had a passion for and genuinely been interested in studying.
These are definitely solid, important goals to have, and they definitely deserve your hard work and attention. 
I think there are probably deeper depths here to plumb, depths that likely relate to your inquiries regarding the transformational nature of psychedelics.  It's in this sense that I bring up the matter of a quest, which is a word I clearly chose for its vividly romantic and dramatic qualities. It's, of course, symbolism for a motivating purpose.
Now, from my understanding, purpose and consciousness, as well as all the underlying mental processes responsible for the arising of consciousness, harmoniously go hand in hand. The reasoning behind this, which I personally feel is rather solid, is that awareness itself, consciousness itself, is an act of intention.
The entire hierarchy of mental processes and the processes of the nervous system as a whole produce awareness, consciousness is seemingly generated through these processes and the manners in which they relate to each other, and, ultimately, the question of awareness is one of attention.
Of all the external and internal stimuli, of all the external and internal phenomena unfurling themselves within this interplay of reality, what our minds focus on is what we pay attention to, and what we pay attention to is, essentially, the content of our consciousness.
Our motivations as living beings, therefore, cast what we focus our attention onto, which ultimately determines our conscious experience of reality. 
Therefore, I'd suggest that the focal point of our attention would be well to be intention itself. Intention is the pure factor around which everything else arranges and rearranges itself. When one is examining what is happening with themselves mentally, and what kind of outcome they're getting out of their life, intention is the furnace of desirable change.
Naturally, being complex beings and all, immersed within a complex environment, intention in practice is also a complex phenomenon. Competing interests, varying skill sets, resources, and experiences to draw from, misconceptions and lack of understanding all play their role in how our intention is formed and how it manifests itself. In the end, however, it doesn't matter because intention tunes our focal point of attention, so the degree to which we work with our intention can dramatically change our experience and the results of our decision-making.
To bring it back home, the quest is fulfilling that intention and the subsequent journey is learning how to fulfill it. 
I'd suggest meditating on what your ideal life would be, in the broadest senses and down to the most specific details. Perceptually, emotionally, materially, spiritually... Transformation requires a pattern of what is being changed into in order for it to take place, and inertia, lack of intention, probably won't be your best pal when it forms that pattern for you. Produce that pattern for yourself and adhere to it, rearrange everything lesser and baser around it.
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