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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Uzziel]
#19192874 - 11/26/13 04:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: Weed is different than psychedelics. Weed has this underlying paranoia that even with your conscious mind telling you it's stupid is hard to dismiss. It turns into a delusion when you start suspecting that people know or that you smell or whatever. It's hard to shake. Psychedelics I believe don't cause that underlying anxiety through the trip, but when there is anxiety it's rational and not caused by delusions. Weed seriously invites this state of mind to everyone that smokes regardless of their background.
i'm pretty sure he thinks that because people who have or are prone to mental disorders, hallucinate after ingesting weed, that weed CAUSES mental disorder.
i know, the logic... is a bit loopy. i'm not even sure he can explain what it means. i've tried getting him to explain what he means, but he just keeps saying "weed causes psychosis and schizophrenia".
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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Constantine] 1
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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Zombi3]
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you know what's funny. that while the jury is out on whether Marijuana "causes" psychosis; it's a well known fact that Methamphetamine can... and what makes this all come together to make a barrel of laughs... http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19193175#19193175 this post showing Bitter Cactus's love for Meth^
it seems that someone has a very apparent bias. no offense dude. i think you're cool and all, but i really think that your judgement in this thread was a bit askew.
Cannabis The more often cannabis is abused the more likely a person is to develop a psychotic illness,[62] with frequent use being correlated with twice the risk of psychosis and schizophrenia.[63][64] While cannabis use is accepted as a contributory cause of schizophrenia by many,[65] it remains controversial.[66][67] Some studies indicate that the effects of two active compounds in cannabis, tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and cannabidiol (CBD), have opposite effects with respect to psychosis. While THC by itself tends to induce psychotic symptoms, CBD tends to reduce them, particularly in people who are at risk for or who already exhibit psychosis.[68] However, cannabis used to attain a "high" is typically very low in CBD content, but conversely very high in THC content. Since most cannabis contains much more THC than cannabidiol, CBD's protective effect may not be present, while THC's detrimental effect remains. Cannabis use has increased dramatically over the past few decades whereas the rate of psychosis has not increased. Together, these findings suggest that cannabis use may hasten onset of psychosis in those who may be already predisposed to psychosis.[69]
Methamphetamine Methamphetamine induces a psychosis in 26-46 percent of heavy users. Some of these people develop a long-lasting psychosis that can persist for longer than 6 months. Those who have had a short-lived psychosis from methamphetamine can have a relapse of the methamphetamine psychosis years later after a stress event such as severe insomnia or a period of heavy alcohol abuse despite not relapsing back to methamphetamine. Individuals who have long history of methamphetamine abuse and who have experienced psychosis in the past from methamphetamine abuse are highly likely to rapidly relapse back into a methamphetamine psychosis within a week or so of going back onto methamphetamine. Violence is common during a methamphetamine psychosis
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that's fan-fapping-tastic!
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I'm not denying speed causes psychosis bra. That's not what this thread is about. It does cause psychosis, but I believe marijuana induced psychosis is a real thing too.
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yeah, you're right. absolutely. still a funny position to take so seriously when you're all for psychosis inducing drugs. your beliefs are justified.
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I don't want to knock MJ users so I don't post about it very often but MJ caused instant, overpowering, insane amounts of paranoia and delusion for me, whereas psychedelics were great, and that was after I was a bit schizo anyway.
Psychedelics may be less likely to cause underlying conditions to emerge or worsen than MJ, is what I take from this. Could be wrong.
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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: circastes]
#19193388 - 11/26/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree.
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true; and it was because he was already pre-disposed to having a mental disorder like schizophrenia.
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this thread is still kickin
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I injected marijuanas one time and I died. True story. I'm still dead. Fuck that stuff.
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nicechrisman said: I injected marijuanas one time and I died. True story. I'm still dead. Fuck that stuff.
that stuff brings me back to life mannnn
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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Legend]
#19194654 - 11/26/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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This thread made me smoke sixteen blunts to the face and get schizophrenia.
Damn you, Shroomery, damn you. Hopefully at least they'll be able to prescribe me oxycodone in rehab to dull the irreversible mental pain I now have upon reading 95% of the previous posts.
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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: deCypher]
#19194841 - 11/27/13 12:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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akira i couldn't get very far through this thread, but the reason people say that is because its true.
why does didn't happen to you = doesn't happen?
how can you say that drugs aren't the root cause of psychosis in some people, when the physical mechanism of psychosis isn't understood.
its very well documented that there can be physical causes for psychosis. viruses, heavy metals, stuff like that. why couldn't weed be on that list?
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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: teamkiller]
#19195178 - 11/27/13 06:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i think marijuana exacerbates my paranoid delusions, but i dont think it's the cause of them.
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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: k00laid] 2
#19195188 - 11/27/13 06:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think if weed caused mental illness everyone on this forum would be absolutely insane.
oh wait...
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view humans as a regenerating battery.
we operate 4/4 on when sober. when on weed we operate 3/4 on. the 3/4 on battery is a gateway to 2/4 or half a battery, so your now only semi-functional, so you are within range to go downhill mentally depending on your thoughts/actions, this is when you quit weed and allow yourself to regenerenate before doing any recreational drugs if you choose too
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