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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: nksfo5]
    #19193362 - 11/26/13 06:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Let me ask you this:  Do you think that an employer has an interest in making sure you're the kind of person that can follow the rules?  If so, don't you think your willingness to break the law indicates that you might also be willing to break the boss' rules?  Certainly, the consequences for breaking the law are far greater than the consequences for breaking his rules...yet you break the law regularly...

Don't you think the employer can consider that as a sign that you might be a risky employee to have around since you don't respect rules and authority?


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19193368 - 11/26/13 06:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Actually, it is quite likely he will pass the lab test with no problems.



It sure is...that's why I said "there's a chance."  I hope he gets away with it this time AND learns a lesson from it.


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #19193376 - 11/26/13 06:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

People break laws every day, knowingly and unknowingly.  Breaking the law isn't always people saying "fuck you" to the man.  Drug users can be great employees, and non-drug users can be fucking awful.

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It sure is...that's why I said "there's a chance."  I hope he gets away with it this time AND learns a lesson from it.




For a defense attorney, you sure do judge people quite harshly.


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: nksfo5]
    #19193379 - 11/26/13 06:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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agreed employers should be able to fire and hire at wim but that means also that i as a human should be able to smoke or not smoke at choice as well and not have it held against me unless it prevents from my ability to work




The two are at odds with one another.


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19193398 - 11/26/13 06:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

they are one in the same if i can work and do my job as im asked and do it efficiently my home life should be of no concern to my employer


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: nksfo5]
    #19193433 - 11/26/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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they are one in the same if i can work and do my job as im asked and do it efficiently my home life should be of no concern to my employer




They aren't the same. Your stated that an employer should be able to hire and fire on a "wim". Now you're saying he shouldn't. Which is it?


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19193474 - 11/26/13 06:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

my choice to smoke marijuana while im not at work or dont have to go to work should be of no concern to an employer. im not saying  they shouldnt be able to hire or fire as they choose im saying that they legally need a reason to fire some one smoking marijuana just happens to be one (which in case) is why i used sythetic urine. my point was that they shouldnt need a reason if they dont like me that should be enough to fire me if they dont want me there and at the same time i should be able to have my personal life left out of the work environment but i dont


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: nksfo5]
    #19193521 - 11/26/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Could y'all just let it rest instead of picking apart what he's saying?

Just because there's a logical inconsistency in something doesn't mean it's clever to pick it out.


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: nksfo5]
    #19193536 - 11/26/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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nksfo5 said:
my choice to smoke marijuana while im not at work or dont have to go to work should be of no concern to an employer.




Yet it is. Sometimes for legal reasons. Sometimes for safety reasons. Sometimes for insurance reasons. I smoke pot and do many other drugs. I'd still fire any employee that came to work high. With no hesitation. I choose to not piss test because I agree that what you do at home is your business. That's my choice just as it is for others to decide to test.


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im not saying  they shouldnt be able to hire or fire as they choose im saying that they legally need a reason to fire some one smoking marijuana just happens to be one (which in case) is why i used sythetic urine.




You're once again contradicting yourself.


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my point was that they shouldnt need a reason if they dont like me that should be enough to fire me if they dont want me there and at the same time i should be able to have my personal life left out of the work environment but i dont




Contradiction again.


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #19193542 - 11/26/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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TheFakeSunRa said:
Could y'all just let it rest instead of picking apart what he's saying?




Nope.


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Just because there's a logical inconsistency in something doesn't mean it's clever to pick it out.




Sure it is. Plus hopefully he'll learn from it.


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19193553 - 11/26/13 06:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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For a defense attorney, you sure do judge people quite harshly.



When people do stupid shit, I do judge them.  The guy knew he would be tested and used anyway.  That's the kind of shit that makes defense attorneys crazy.


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: Enlil]
    #19193567 - 11/26/13 06:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

all im saying is that corprate shouldnt have to jump through stupid hoops just to fire someone but they also shouldnt be able to fire someone if theyve worked sufficiently and correctly and have a different lifestyle than that of their own choosing

you all can continue to argue this has simply became a waste of my time though


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: nksfo5]
    #19193577 - 11/26/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That's not what you said.

This is what you said:

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agreed employers should be able to fire and hire at wim




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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19193589 - 11/26/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

yes they should be able to hire. and fire. as they choose. WITHOUT jumping through hoops.

me being able to do as they ask. should have nothing to do with the choices i make outside of work.


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: nksfo5]
    #19193607 - 11/26/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

And again, your position is contradictory.

If you feel they should be able to hire and fire at will that would include your personal choices as well.

Perhaps your position is better summed up thus:

"They should be able to hire and fire at will, unless I disagree. Then they should have to employ me despite their wishes."


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19193691 - 11/26/13 07:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

maybe i look as though im contracdicting myself because of knowledge i have not shared
the woman who drug tested me. we have had conversations. she would not pass a drug test with her urine. this is the situation. when i got tested the problem being was not through her but the man bigger than us that watched the test as well.
and when i say hire and fire at will. i say it on a basis of work relation if im doing my job correctly that would be no reason to fire me wether i smoked or didnt smoke


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: nksfo5]
    #19193709 - 11/26/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

No, you look like your contradicting yourself because you are.

An employer should be able to hire and fire at will, or they should not. It's that simple.


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19193734 - 11/26/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

let me rephrase

an employer should be able to hire or fire their employee based on work ethic and efficiency. his or her personal life style should be a secondary factor that has no role in any part of obtaining or keeping the job unless it otherwise interferes with performance of tasks required for the job.


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: nksfo5]
    #19193756 - 11/26/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That's a far cry from your previous position.

Let me remind you:

"employers should be able to fire and hire at wim"


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19193770 - 11/26/13 07:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

yeah im just not caring about this thread anymore youve been much more correct and ive been lost in my own head for quite some time i withdrawl all previous statements as im not sure what the hell im talking about right now.

have a good day or a pleasant evening whichever comes first


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