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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19192470 - 11/26/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

because weed is a psychedelic. you don't give shrooms, acid, or weed or drugs with HALLUCINATIONS as a common side effect, to a person who REGULARLY HALLUCINATES. DUH.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19192488 - 11/26/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

you keep acting like I DIDN'T JUST SAY IT WAS BAD FOR PEOPLE WITH THOSE CONDITIONS.

are you fucked? I AGREE WITH YOU.

but it's common knowledge that weed is a hallucinogenic drug, and someone WHO HALLUCINATES, should be able to recognize that their HALLUCINATIONS will become stronger if they take a HALLUCINOGENIC DRUG. it's practically common sense, because the WORDS are their to tell you.

unless you're delusional, and you can't make decisions that are right for yourself, but then again, that can't be attributed to "smoking weed" either, as smoking weed doesn't make one ambivalent to their own delusional thinking, unless they are ALREADY PRONE to delusional thinking... and that's a symptom common in SCHIZOPHRENIA; the inability to make rational decisions.

should we blame a drug for making people who are schizophrenic irrational?

i bet you'd say yes, because i'm sure you probably don't even understand the argument, like most of your way through this thread. :facepalm:


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19192517 - 11/26/13 03:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Go to the thread weed made me paranoid and sick in mental health and well being where me and everyone agree weed causes schizophrenia.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19192521 - 11/26/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

when has someone ever said "I smoked so much weed I started hearing voices?"


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Konyap]
    #19192523 - 11/26/13 03:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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when has someone ever said "I smoked so much weed I started hearing voices?"




It's happened.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19192546 - 11/26/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Causes :facepalm: :lol:

an academic could punch you in the teeth and you still wouldn't get it.

CAUSE ≠ Having the condition to begin with

Marijuana doesn't "cause" Schizophrenia, it enhances (for lack of a better word) or reveals the extent of it's pre-eminent existence of said condition.

you'll never understand the concept of cause and effect, apparently. :shrug:
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when has someone ever said "I smoked so much weed I started hearing voices?"




It's happened ...




because they were skitzo already and weed enhanced and acclimated to it's effects the person already had BEFORE ingesting weed.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Konyap]
    #19192550 - 11/26/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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when has someone ever said "I smoked so much weed I started hearing voices?"




predisposition - weed could bring it to the front of the table, but it would have to have been there in the first place


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: hidenseek1]
    #19192558 - 11/26/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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when has someone ever said "I smoked so much weed I started hearing voices?"




predisposition - weed could bring it to the front of the table, but it would have to have been there in the first place



now tell Bitter Cactus that, because he's really up in arms about this fact being relevant.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: hidenseek1]
    #19192562 - 11/26/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

id like to add weed, and lsd give delusions big time (although ive never done lsd without smoking weed) but shrooms not so much


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19192565 - 11/26/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Alright great. That means you need a schizo metal detector before you smoke? That information is irrelevant for a lot of people you posted. Nobody knows if they are predisposed to it, and weed brings it out in people it would have otherwise never come to the surface. It's like a game of russian roulette each time you smoke.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: hidenseek1]
    #19192583 - 11/26/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

it doesn't "give you delusions", it makes your judgment impaired, which gives way to fantastical thinking.

delusional, sure, but not "delusions."

a delusion in that sense would be like saying "whoa man, i can fly" and ACTUALLY jumping off the building THINKING that you really could fly.

"impaired delusional thinking" is different in that, you might think some fantastical or straight up WRONG thoughts... but you don't act on them.

it's just another result of the old story of people thinking that people ACTUALLY jumped out of windows thinking they could fly... it's been shown that this "story" is greatly exaggerated.

see, LSD Flying out of Window Myth.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19192594 - 11/26/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Alright great. That means you need a schizo metal detector before you smoke? That information is irrelevant for a lot of people you posted. Nobody knows if they are predisposed to it, and weed brings it out in people it would have otherwise never come to the surface. It's like a game of russian roulette each time you smoke.



finally, you make decent point.

yes, it's dangerous when you consider the fact that no one can tell they are pre-disposed unless they've had some previous experience dealing with the aforementioned problems before hand, and have seen a doctor, in most cases.

which is why not everyone should be smoking drugs, in the first place. but that's on the person. not the drug. it's not an effect of the drug, so it's not the DRUG that's DOING IT to the person. it's the person's original state; plus not to mention, when someone is pre-disposed to having a mental disorder, ALOT of DIFFERENT things (stressors, genetic or otherwise) can set it off, and in alot of cases the person who is pre-disposed is likely to have the disorder "pop up" over time, regardless if they used drugs or not.

ie. not everyone who has these problems has used Marijuana.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19192602 - 11/26/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Just look at the weed high and tell me it's not bad for anyone with paranoia, anxiety, DP/DR, HPPD, hallucinations, anything. It is seriously one of the worst and your skull is so thick it doesn't accept this. NONE of the information you posted is relevant aside from this fact. The high isn't like alcohol, benzos, opiates, or most other drugs for that matter in that most users can handle it well. Some people are set off from a few tokes like a ticking time bomb and your ignorance will hide that fact and make more people do it.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19192619 - 11/26/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

smoking pot isn't going to trigger that I'm sorry, not in the way an amphetamine would

they did a study of all the people who've done shrooms in Sweden or Amsterdam, 100's of thousands of people

they didn't have any more mental illness then the rest of the population

everyone throw stones at bitter cactus!


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19192627 - 11/26/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

no again with the projection. YOUR SKULL IS THINK, BECAUSE I DO ACCEPT THIS AND HAVE STATED MANY TIMES THAT PEOPLE WITH ANXIETY AND PARANOIA AND HPPD AND HALLUCINATIONS SHOULD NOT DO THE DRUG OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE IT'S BAD FOR THEM.

THEM AS IN NOT EVERYONE, WHICH IS MY ARGUMENT; MY ARGUMENT IS THAT, NOT THAT PEOPLE WITH ANXIETY AND PARANOIA AND HPPD AND HALLUCINATIONS SHOUDL DO THE DRUG ANYWAYS. I'VE NEVER SAID THAT ONCE, YOU'RE JUST ASSUMING I SAID THAT BECAUSE YOUR EITHER BLIND AND CAN'T READ, OR YOUR ASSUMPTIONS ARE CONTROLLING YOUR STANCE ON THE ARGUMENT.

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everyone throw stones at bitter cactus!


he is the one who is trying to tell me that i'm not saying what i'm already saying, and that i'm saying something else, that i really am not saying.


it's pretty damn funny.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Konyap]
    #19192633 - 11/26/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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smoking pot isn't going to trigger that I'm sorry, not in the way an amphetamine would

they did a study of all the people who've done shrooms in Sweden or Amsterdam, 100's of thousands of people

they didn't have any more mental illness then the rest of the population

everyone throw stones at bitter cactus!




Different animal and none of that information surprises me.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19192635 - 11/26/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

seriously weed doesn't even expand your mine the way other drugs do

it could be a trigger down the line with another substance involved but you are not going to smoke weed and hear voices


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Konyap]
    #19192643 - 11/26/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

people in cali were smoking so much weed with THC from the medicinal shit they were getting THC sickness


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Konyap]
    #19192646 - 11/26/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Weed is different than psychedelics. Weed has this underlying paranoia that even with your conscious mind telling you it's stupid is hard to dismiss. It turns into a delusion when you start suspecting that people know or that you smell or whatever. It's hard to shake. Psychedelics I believe don't cause that underlying anxiety through the trip, but when there is anxiety it's rational and not caused by delusions. Weed seriously invites this state of mind to everyone that smokes regardless of their background.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19192673 - 11/26/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

LOL Weed = Psychedelic and Hallucinogen (just in case you missed this fact for the umpteenth time)

just like Shrooms. but nah, not according to Bitter Cactus... to him weed is a super special drug that doesn't have anything in common with a Hallucinogenic drug, BUT it causes people to go insane!

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