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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#19192303 - 11/26/13 02:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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ill settle this. dogs CAN be trained to detect LSD (their sniffer is a million times more powerfull than ours) they are typically trained to find marijuana products, meth, MDMA, heroin, cocaine, barbituates. althought there are some that are trained for ketamine, LSD, other rare drugs. alot of times they hit on just about any pharmaceutical. and we all know about the shady false positive alerts...
if they didnt have one trained to detect what they want they will call in other dogs. still though even in large cities i think LSD training is pretty rare.
EDIT: didnt see there was 4 pages of comments if this was already covered i appologize
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: mylfgur]
#19192446 - 11/26/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: If you have an understanding of olfactory perception (the sense of smell), you will know that the process involves molecules binding to olfactory receptors--those molecules are generally light, volatile (easy to evaporate) chemicals that float through the air into your nose.
LSD fits this profile
Thanks for the condescending lecture about sensory perception. You're right about a few things, except for the fact that LSD is not particularly light, nor is it very volatile. The predicted vaporization temperature of LSD is occurs at 541.3±50.0 °C (1). I don't see how it is volatile in the least bit. Sure, due to some ridiculous quantum interactions, one LSD molecule may evaporate at room temperature once in a blue moon.
Even solids give off small amounts of vapour, unless situated around absolute zero. Once again, this is how smell works. Vaporization of salt (NaCl) happens around 1400 celsius, yet even us humans are still able to pick up enough errant molecules to catch a whiff.
I only sound condescending because of the vast number of folks who are apparently convinced that it is impossible for a dog to smell LSD forcing me to repeat the basics of how the sense of smell works, as well as how much greater the sense of smell of a dog is when compared to a human.
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#19192460 - 11/26/13 02:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: I only sound condescending because of the vast number of folks who are apparently convinced that it is impossible for a dog to smell LSD forcing me to repeat the basics of how the sense of smell works, as well as how much greater the sense of smell of a dog is when compared to a human.
Now, now. They read it on the internet / heard it from a friend (who heard it from a friend) / made it up.
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#19192494 - 11/26/13 03:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said:
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mylfgur said:
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shivas.wisdom said: If you have an understanding of olfactory perception (the sense of smell), you will know that the process involves molecules binding to olfactory receptors--those molecules are generally light, volatile (easy to evaporate) chemicals that float through the air into your nose.
LSD fits this profile
Thanks for the condescending lecture about sensory perception. You're right about a few things, except for the fact that LSD is not particularly light, nor is it very volatile. The predicted vaporization temperature of LSD is occurs at 541.3±50.0 °C (1). I don't see how it is volatile in the least bit. Sure, due to some ridiculous quantum interactions, one LSD molecule may evaporate at room temperature once in a blue moon.
Even solids give off small amounts of vapour, unless situated around absolute zero. Once again, this is how smell works. Vaporization of salt (NaCl) happens around 1400 celsius, yet even us humans are still able to pick up enough errant molecules to catch a whiff.
I only sound condescending because of the vast number of folks who are apparently convinced that it is impossible for a dog to smell LSD forcing me to repeat the basics of how the sense of smell works, as well as how much greater the sense of smell of a dog is when compared to a human.
Humans can only smell table salt when it reacts with water in the air (or in the human nose) to form truly volatile compounds. I guess that this same process could happen with LSD, but I still find it rather hard to believe that noticeable amounts of volatile compounds could leak from a sealed, nonporous container. Could be, though. There also was presumably some on the outside of the container as well.
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: mylfgur]
#19192506 - 11/26/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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smell definitely leaks from non porous containers......
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: Juicin]
#19192510 - 11/26/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Juicin said: smell definitely leaks from non porous containers......
From volatiles, yes.
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: mylfgur]
#19192522 - 11/26/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wouldn't any energy like heat make it a "volatile"
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: Juicin]
#19192543 - 11/26/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Juicin said: Wouldn't any energy like heat make it a "volatile"
Nope.
I'm not saying it's impossible that a drug dog actually sniffed out the LSD, just unlikely. Though I'm not going to jump to conclusions and make unwarranted and unsupported claims like a lot of other people have done.
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: mylfgur]
#19192548 - 11/26/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The doubt in my mind isn't if the dog could smell LSD, but whether the dog was actually trained to do so. I'm pretty sure drug dogs have to stay up to date on their certifications, so it shouldn't be all that difficult to find out if the dog used in this bust was actually trained to alert on LSD. I for one won't be going through the trouble to do so, but it would be interesting if someone investigated this more and got back to us.
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: trampis]
#19192556 - 11/26/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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trampis said: The doubt in my mind isn't if the dog could smell LSD, but whether the dog was actually trained to do so. I'm pretty sure drug dogs have to stay up to date on their certifications, so it shouldn't be all that difficult to find out if the dog used in this bust was actually trained to alert on LSD. I for one won't be going through the trouble to do so, but it would be interesting if someone investigated this more and got back to us.
Right. A good enough lawyer should be able to clear things up for his client.
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: mylfgur]
#19192560 - 11/26/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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mylfgur said: Though I'm not going to jump to conclusions and make unwarranted and unsupported claims like a lot of other people have done.
So you're saying you're not a typical Shroomery member?
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#19192572 - 11/26/13 03:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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mylfgur said: Though I'm not going to jump to conclusions and make unwarranted and unsupported claims like a lot of other people have done.
So you're saying you're not a typical Shroomery member?
I probably fit the profile if you're only looking at my physical description.
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: mylfgur]
#19192618 - 11/26/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why would I care about your physical description? Do all Shroomery members look the same?
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#19192628 - 11/26/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: Why would I care about your physical description? Do all Shroomery members look the same?
You shouldn't care about my physical description, and I'll never reveal photographically it on this forum. But yeah, I'd say the typical Shroomery member is a white male, aged 20-35, and looks like a geek.
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: mylfgur]
#19192636 - 11/26/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Other than male, I doubt there is a typical Shroomery member. I imagine they are as varied as any other group.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#19192735 - 11/26/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Who cares? You're done arguing the dog COULD have sniffed LSD so now you want to argue what the average Shroomerite is?
I'll stick with the typical Shroomery members if that's what it is coming down to. At least it is 10x more logical and probable to assume the dog in fact did NOT sniff out LSD.
now let's argue where my statistic came from, right?
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: D.M.T]
#19192745 - 11/26/13 03:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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While I made no such argument about the dog, you've offered no evidence it did not.
Want to try?
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#19192996 - 11/26/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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A police dog from Scotch Plains later detected the presence of a controlled dangerous substance in the parcel, the affidavit states. After executing a search warrant for the package, authorities found more than 100 milligrams of Lysergic Acid Diethylamide, or LSD, the affidavit states.
someone please find me solid evidence that a dog can smell lsd cause I'm not believing it
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Even if dogs could sniff LSD, the likelihood of there being such a dog so readily available nearby is quite slim to none.
dude no kidding, an lsd sniffing dog in Manville, NJ????? Sounds to me like they were trying to "solidify" their case and was the only step they could take to get him to open the package, since he refused. if the dog "smelled" anything, it was an additive to the lsd.
why would you take the time to train a dog to smell lsd when its barely on the radar anymore, makes no sense at all. Heroin, herb, cocaine seem a hell of alot more likely than lsd.
fyi, the population of Manville, NJ is a little over 10,000 and Scotch Plains is a little over 20,000. they DEFINITELY have an lsd sniffing dog
Edited by tealeaf (11/26/13 04:54 PM)
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: tealeaf]
#19193004 - 11/26/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kindly provide evidence they can not.
And re-read the article. You seem to have missed that the dog came from Scotch Plains.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#19193012 - 11/26/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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^ i got it bud, was editing my post 100 times. I live in a town with 30,000 people and there is a heroin problem here. we dont have one single drug sniffing dog in our area.............
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