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Have you experienced oneness?
#19192388 - 11/26/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Or any other name if might go by.
How did you achieve this state, or was it spontaneous?
Do you draw any parallels in media to your experience, i.e. religions, stories etc?
How would you describe it, if it indeed may be described.
How has this event effected your life, or has it had an effect on your life?
Any other questions i'm not asking the right way?
My experiences have always been under the influence of psycadelics (read entheogens) and always involved marijuana strange enough as i don't really care for the herb.
After these experiences i've adopted the point of view that it is indeed possible to become enlightened, whatever that means. However i do not believe drugs to be the best approach to it, even though this is the only way i've ever experienced it. Seems to me meditation/concentration might be the best avenue for this endeavour.
The best media i've come across that has similar features as the experiences i've had has been Zen Buddhism and Advaita. However i can't help but notices features and effects (etc) in a lot of other media as well, even in day to day life i catch indirect glimpses of it, hard to explain but something akin to de ja vu, i've been here / done this before sensation / a spontaneous gnosis, but nothing ever as consuming as the experience brought by psycs.
the path there isn't always the same, nor is the experience the same, but at the same time it is. Typically it begins with compounding coincidence (read synchronicities) to, what i call, the event horizon. the point of no return. at this point i am able to choose if i want to cross the event horizon or break away from the series of choices which lead furthur down the spiral. It's not always up to me choice however, sometimes you walk through the event horizon and don't realize this until its past time to change course. What follows varies. depersonalization, depending on how much a struggle a sense of calm or of tension. dissolution. death. awareness. and sometime betwixt eternities return. usually feeling like how i'd imagine the characters felt in the terminator movies coming out of their time bubble things.
These events have changed the way i look at everything, have changed how i make my choices, etc etc. There isn't a day that goes by that i don't consider it. i believe its the change in context that has been so impactful. before i didn't have the context of this part of the story. i.e. we are all the same awareness looking through different windows, boxes, meat sacks, experiences, limits, etc etc. makes you reconsider what it means to be kind to others. to make responsible choices (to the best of my ability.)
its a beautiful and complex thing i'll never understand. or maybe it's just latent psycosis. or maybe it's something i'll never understand.
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I experience it on drugs almost always and, occasionally, without drugs.
It's the classic "ineffable" mystical experience, so it's no use trying to describe it. Though the mystic authors go through thousands and thousands of words trying to describe it. So go figure.
If someone has experienced it, they immediately know what you're pointing to.
If someone hasn't experienced it, they won't know what the fuck you're talking about.
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it was such a good subject but i was the third poster so i wasn't the first, i fucked up so bad, i lost oneness forever
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: eve69]
#19192831 - 11/26/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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but seriously oneness a few times, always great experience, best with a sexual partner how it affected my life? i learned to listen to the other
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: eve69]
#19193155 - 11/26/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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We are all experiencing oneness all the time. The question is do we recognize it ? There are different degrees of this recognition - it is not a binary switch. Humans operate on something closer to fuzzy logic. How ? I've been on a quest without a name. Discovery never ends. 'I' only pop out of the state in sleep now (though some times I remember in dreams). Got there via 'sober' practice/techniques, various plants and the combination of practices with plants.
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once on top of a small grass mountain in the winter, it became summer in my mind and time ceased, I ceased
sometimes in nature, sometimes trance gets me there
else LSD/Mushrooms
yes changed everything .. :-) no fear of death any longer, new view on everything
or maybe it was the NDEs
oneness is just unconscious for me, it is what happens afterwards that is interesting new world like first day I saw the world
no thoughts, no problems
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: Deckard_Cain]
#19193208 - 11/26/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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true
notice yourself in everybody :-)
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: lessismore]
#19193540 - 11/26/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Some of my most thrilling moments in life were experiencing oneness at a local hemp festival while under the influence of LSD. I believe it to be a direct result of ego death and a heightened ability to sense ego death in everyone around you. When everyones ego dies you are suddenly on the same level or feel as such hence feeling interconnectedness or oneness. It's true that its a 24/7 phenomenon but psychedelics definitely help with recognition
-------------------- suddenly a flaming stealth banana split the sky like one would hope but never really expect to see in a place like this. Cutting right angle donuts on a dime and stopping right at my Birkenstocks, and me yelping...Holy fucking shit!
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: My Third Eye]
#19193637 - 11/26/13 06:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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How did you achieve this state, or was it spontaneous? - Psychedelics
Do you draw any parallels in media to your experience, i.e. religions, stories etc? - Buddhism is pretty accurate to what I experienced in some of my psychedelic states. I was not familiar with buddhists philosophies but many of the ideas of buddhism are synonymous with psychedelic experiences imo
How would you describe it, if it indeed may be described. - A profound and undeniable sense that you are connected to all living things. That everything is simply an expression, a manifestation of the one thing. That on some more fundamental level there is unity.
-------------------- “Everybody is fundamentally, the ultimate reality. Not god in the political kingly sense, but god in the sense of being the self – the deep down basic whatever there is. And you’re all that… only you’re pretending you’re not.” -Alan Watts I think that in human evolution it has never been as necessary to have this substance LSD. It is just a tool to turn us into what we are supposed to be.” ― Albert Hofmann
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: LysergicX7]
#19197250 - 11/27/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nearly all the time. I did undertake a number of years of sadhana of various kinds, but that effort was most helpful, ultimately, in an indirect way, exhausting all of the ego games I needed to play so that I could finally see what had been, in effect, staring me in the face all along.
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: Mahananda]
#19197271 - 11/27/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just thinking about the feeling would feed you the result. Though this friend of mine is burning a nice mix of herbs in my incencer... calea... motherwort.. wild lettuce.. mexican tarragon.. CalliPoppy and fresh chilly...
-------------------- And thus begins the reverse-fusing of our one-dimentional understanding, and adds ever-expanding perspectives, in depth and number; splitting our perception, and in so doing, seemingly irrationally, creates yet more one-ness, with all that ever was, is and will ever be, streching across the infinite, inunderstood concept of everything, percievable and not.
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: Mahananda]
#19197313 - 11/27/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mahananda said: Nearly all the time. I did undertake a number of years of sadhana of various kinds, but that effort was most helpful, ultimately, in an indirect way, exhausting all of the ego games I needed to play so that I could finally see what had been, in effect, staring me in the face all along.
was something staring you in the face? i mean i hear that saying but i have a parrot and she literally stares right in your face like she's dope in love with you...was it like that?
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: eve69]
#19197325 - 11/27/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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If I am not all wrong.. I think he means that he finally ended the chase and the search and the games and the acts and the "rules to follow" of which keep one from the enloghtenment and peace everyone already posess...
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: Mahananda]
#19198703 - 11/27/13 11:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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But the games are enjoyable 
Passing time on an infinite shot clock we've got to add a limit in order for it to be fun, there has to be risk, tension, a way out.
Suffering is enjoyable
existence is our prison, our canvas, no right or wrong just is.
being awake, being extinguished, being asleep, all are valid in my book.
"what better place than here, what better time than now?"
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Being asleep is valid until you get sick of suffering. As long as you don't mind pain, fear, loss, confusion, sickness and death it is valid to be asleep.
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: My Third Eye]
#19199167 - 11/28/13 02:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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My Third Eye said: Some of my most thrilling moments in life were experiencing oneness at a local hemp festival while under the influence of LSD. I believe it to be a direct result of ego death and a heightened ability to sense ego death in everyone around you. When everyones ego dies you are suddenly on the same level or feel as such hence feeling interconnectedness or oneness. It's true that its a 24/7 phenomenon but psychedelics definitely help with recognition
Psychedelics mainly lsd got me there briefly a few times One time for over a year , still feel it
Connected to everybody I see sometimes, because I realize they are me and because I love myself so I must love them as myself Also notice the good in people Everybody is love, love connects everybody Sometimes it fails, but only if I dont love myself
Soul in a body is my natural state, no uniqueness, seeing myself in everybody Love is soul
Dunno if that makes sense...love is oneness
And love can be grown, houseplants, pets, nature helps
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Piecefillpath247 said: Or any other name if might go by.
How did you achieve this state, or was it spontaneous?
WIth marijuana and meditation.
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Do you draw any parallels in media to your experience, i.e. religions, stories etc?
I went from an atheist to someone with great interest and enthusiasm for religion, especially Christianity.
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How would you describe it, if it indeed may be described.
Going back to how things were before I started imposing my ideas on them.
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How has this event effected your life, or has it had an effect on your life?
It completely destroyed my life and nearly killed me as I experienced a great fall into a lower state of consciousness after flying very high and this was unbearable. It took an entire decade for me to recover and resume the process of awakening but it was all worth it.
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: lessismore]
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Connected to everybody I see sometimes, because I realize they are me and because I love myself so I must love them as myself
My first true love in college (I was 17 - and I went to M____ Yoga U) taught me that I was projecting my feelings and thoughts on her. That I did all the talking. I never listened. I wasn't her and she wasn't me. It was a very important lesson which has been a major tool for me in my marriage. But what I started out to say was, I made this assumption of oneness, and it made me sort of stupid, in spite of the fact of my hours of meditation every day and intense kundalini stuff at that time.
I didn't say this very well - in spite of searching out oneness and spending many many hours in the sensation the person closest to me taught me to not rely upon that at all.
That girl broke my fucking heart like bad. Being in yoga camp heightens emotions. (Let's not talk about sex where everyone sits in meditation for hours a day. Making love your past lives flashed - your fingers walk her skin and its color is the exotic surface of a soft planet
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: eve69]
#19199360 - 11/28/13 04:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Suffering... well... it is enjoyable in its own way... especially torture and physical pain... sorrow however I am more or less indifferent to.. it is of a purpose and enjoyable in its own way, but it bringsalot of emotional pain.. meaning it is overall not a negative but not positive either and expereance...
to live in a constant bliss one must maybe find joy in pain too.. atleast in my expereance.. I have learned this to be the definition of madness, though in my country we have a saying; "de gærne har det godt", the mad ones live good/peacefully... Praise the Madgod I say!
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: Icyus]
#19199809 - 11/28/13 08:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icyus said: Suffering... well... it is enjoyable in its own way... especially torture and physical pain... sorrow however I am more or less indifferent to.. it is of a purpose and enjoyable in its own way, but it brings alot of emotional pain.. meaning it is overall not a negative but not positive either and expereance...
to live in a constant bliss one must maybe find joy in pain too.. at least in my expereance..
Well, if you were living in 17th Century America and you voiced such a thing, you would have been burned at the stake for being a witch.
I personally am not into the S&M scene, but I understand that the brain does release all manner of pleasurable and soothing stuff when the body is being "abused." Sort of nature's way of turning a bad situation into something (somewhat) good.
I don't see how psychological or emotional suffering can in any way (other than in a mystical context) be "good," though.
It's so "bad," in fact, that major movements like Buddhism came along to address the situation.
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: Deviate]
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Deviate said: Being asleep is valid until you get sick of suffering. As long as you don't mind pain, fear, loss, confusion, sickness and death it is valid to be asleep.
We choose too sleep, we choose to wake up.
or maybe we choose neither and this is just the natural progression of things. Something implicit in being.
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I feel oneness whenever I feel compassion or empathy for another.
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: teknix]
#19207038 - 11/30/13 12:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yup, and then you know exactly what to say/do to help, because they are you :-)
One love, one soul
The only problem is always not helping others enough, but trying ones best can be a liberation in itself
The greatest happiness is making/seeing others happy IMO
It is the central thing in Islam too, serve "Allah"/God by helping others.. religion is not entirely stupid :-) (I subscribe neither to the Quran or Bible, but I just noticed that, since I know a few muslims.. they are usually happy, because they try their best to help others)
Edited by lessismore (11/30/13 12:38 AM)
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: lessismore]
#19207050 - 11/30/13 12:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lol, I wish I always knew what to say or do!
I do my best, but there have been like 3 people suicide out of life recently, just shortly after I talked with them, it is a bit disconcerting tbh.
I think I basically end up feeling like shit with them many times.

I feel most helpless whe I am talking to someone who got ditched by their girlfriend and are still sour about it, I really don't know how to comfort them because I don't generally have such strong attachments, even though I remember when I did, I still don't know how to solve the problem of pain that comes with the loss until after the fact and mostly personally.
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: teknix]
#19207072 - 11/30/13 12:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes I know that feeling... it is very hard for me to relate to emotions too, since I am not my painbody sometimes I feel like a total asshole for it... even though I try to help and then I cant relate to the emotions
We cannot help everybody, I mostly try to help when I feel like I just have to help someone I meet Not everyone accepts love
Ram Dass says it well "we are all gods in terms of our own reality", that means that we cannot help everyone easily no matter what you say/do it wont be accepted sometimes, not everyone is ready to be helped/make change
but it still seems that we all accept love deep down, we just dont want to show/admit it
even though it doesnt seem like trying to help did anything, it still did something deep down I think
we are all here to learn, and often to learn from the same mistakes
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: teknix]
#19207082 - 11/30/13 12:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Most recently, one of my girlfriends was at odds with her boyfriend for some reason and she came to "kidnap" me and we went out to party. Her ex showed up and ended up hanging out with us. I was pretty drunk and talking about the vedics or "Maharishi's" or "Floaters" as most people around here call people of that spirituality. I remember sticking up for them and saying they aren't all that wrong about what they teach, and getting a ride back to my place with my girlfriend and her ex, and two weeks later he killed himself. It seemed completely random because he never really seemed suicidal, in fact he seemed much more quite and reserved than I would have expected a suicidal person to be.
Evidently I didn't help him much and might have been able to use the time with him a bit more productively, but who knows.
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: lessismore]
#19207091 - 11/30/13 12:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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mio said: Yes I know that feeling... it is very hard for me to relate to emotions too, since I am not my painbody sometimes I feel like a total asshole for it... even though I try to help and then I cant relate to the emotions
Yeah, it feels a bit cold at first, but if you get caught up in the feelings it is even worse because you get dragged down as well, especially if they aren't interested in solutions as much as they are focused on the problems which are pretty much out of their control. It is kind of a helpless feeling that rubs off on me as well, and it sucks tbh. I can tell them to try meditation, or moving on, but it doesn't generally work with people so focused on the problem.
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: teknix]
#19207095 - 11/30/13 12:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oneness sounds all honkey dorey and great, but when it comes down to it, I think it is easier and much more comforting to be separate from it.
So if you do decide that is what you want, beware that it isn't as green on the other side as it seems at first glance.
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: teknix]
#19207098 - 11/30/13 12:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Might have nothing to do with you?
Anyway, what I noticed from myself is that change takes a very long time to happen I wouldnt have accepted help myself from anybody the past 15 years I think, even though I hated/was careless about myself for about 15 years
We learn from mistakes, but that learning takes many years, there is no magic way to help others
But sometimes you just know what to say to others to help, at least so it is for me
It is not for fun that counseling education takes many years, it can be very hard to help others, so we should only help if we really feel like we have to I think (but not sure yet), it will feel natural
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: lessismore]
#19207102 - 11/30/13 12:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, It probably has absolutely nothing to do with me, but there is that feel that I missed something important. Ya know?
A lot of my friends like to share their problems with me for some reason, probably because they think I'm smarter and I can somehow figure out their situation better, and sometimes I can and do, but it isn't always so.
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: teknix]
#19207144 - 11/30/13 01:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's quite egoic of you to assume your friends share their problems with you because they think you're smarter than them..
...Could it not be that sharing your lives/problems is part of the whole "being friends" thing?
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: cez]
#19207146 - 11/30/13 01:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nah, it isn't really. Most of these guys went to school with me and saw me get every award at the end of every year. Not that I think I am smart, but they do . .
I generally resent being labeled as such, and voice it for the most part.
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: teknix]
#19207151 - 11/30/13 01:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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http://www.islamondemand.com/30_facts.html
Just found out I am a bit of a muslim lol, I always wondered why my bro said he was muslim
but now I know;)
interesting read, "the Source of Peace" :-)
submission to god means submission to helping others to me, seeing god in everyone and everything
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teknix said: Oneness sounds all honkey dorey and great, but when it comes down to it, I think it is easier and much more comforting to be separate from it.
so if you do decide that is what you want, beware that it isn't as green on the other side as it seems at first glance.
oneness is often by sacrificing oneself not even your family might understand, but they may start to
it is a spiritual path, and it is usually without suffering, but the frustration can be great when even your family doesnt understand you at times the good thing is that if you raise your consciousness your familys consciousness will usually raise too it seems, I can change everyone around me by changing myself
be how you want others to be, no frustration :-) if frustrated about others, one is frustrated about oneself.. that is the only bad thing, can be hard to get rid of if you raise your consciousness can take years of dedication..
personally I believe in god too, my mom is christian,my dad is buddhist,my bro and his gf are muslims and know a few muslims/christians god is peace(love) to me, but more than just a word, it is a feeling of inner peace dont subscribe to any religion though.. but like christianity,buddhism,hinduism,islam etc. :-)
feel the love, share the love, realize our spiritual nature, that is oneness many people are awake luckily
Edited by lessismore (11/30/13 05:34 AM)
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: lessismore]
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eve69
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: Chronic7]
#19207465 - 11/30/13 06:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am an asshole. After being chef at five venues I can tell you all that I suck at management. One thing I do apply liberally is the apology because I do know I am an asshole. None of that has to do with compassion.
I've heard of compassion, but those who practice it like surgeons also charge like doctors. They expect the world from you in return.
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: eve69]
#19207809 - 11/30/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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A truly compassionate person helps you without desiring anything in return, nor does such a person feel they have gained anything by helping you.
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: Deviate]
#19208488 - 11/30/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Deviate said: A truly compassionate person helps you without desiring anything in return, nor does such a person feel they have gained anything by helping you.
Hmm.
Meaty.
We'd all like to think that, yes... but I'm not so sure human psychology works that way.
I think the desire "to help" derives from an ego-driven innate longing for "usefulness." You believe yourself "useful" only to the extent that you do stuff you perceive as "useful."
Different people define "usefulness" differently. If I believe in mercy killings, for example, I may think of myself as truly compassionate if I smother you with a pillow to end your suffering. Someone else might consider me a murderer for doing that.
It's very complicated, this "compassion" thing.
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: Chronic7]
#19208923 - 11/30/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
The Chronic said:
THE question
Who am I?
What and how is I?
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Sse
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: lessismore]
#19208928 - 11/30/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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"if frustrated about others, one is frustrated about oneself.."
seems to be true, perceptions/reactions;interpretation of(all built on internal experiences)are conditioned forms of self. I guess compassion is self-compassion. 
"When I supervise people learning to be Mindfulness teachers, I reassure them about their ability to respond to any question a student might ask. I say, "Just assume that the answer to every possible question is 'Compassion.' I also say, "Try to include a technical answer as well-"
"Everyone agrees. Everyone knows compassion is the right response. The problem, students remind me, is with ourselves, not with other people."
"When the heart is at peace-body notwithstanding, outside events notwithstanding-a thanking, grateful, awe inspired benevolence is all that's left. The heart has no questions."
"I tell them-and remind myself-that the human heart has its own built-in, self-healing intent and its own timetable. So far, that's the best I know."
Pay Attention For Goodness' Sake by Sylvia Boorstein
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http://www.gratefulness.org/readings/jh_equanimity.htm
Equanimity: The Fourth Abode
"Equanimity is grounded in the experience of letting go."
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Monk, Angkor Wat, Cambodia - The fourth boundless abode, equanimity, is the perfect partner of compassion. Equanimity is the stability of mind that allows us to be present with an open heart no matter how wonderful or difficult conditions are. It is said that the boundless qualities of lovingkindness, compassion, and sympathetic joy stem from equanimity.
Equanimity is grounded in the experience of letting go. The world in and around us is constantly changing. One moment your brother is alive; the next moment he is dead in a car accident. One morning you feel a lump in your breast, and your life changes in a way that you cannot avoid. One afternoon the doctor says that you have inoperable cancer with three months to live. The following year, free of cancer, you are putting your life together again.
What kind of mind and heart can stay strong and open and not fall prey to conditioned reactions? Can we grieve fully and not cling to our grief? Can we feel the post-operative pain and not cling to it? Can we be with the unknowable and open to trust at the same time? The mind that has realized the truth of change and the truth of cause and effect, what Buddhists call karma, can do this. Planting seeds of kindness, love, compassion, and joy helps us ride the waves of change without drowning.
Equanimity is the capacity to be in touch with suffering and at the same time not be swept away by it. It is the strong back that supports the soft front of compassion. These interdepending qualities are the foundation for effective work with suffering. Equanimity allows us that radiant calm, peace, and trust that receive the world and at the same time make it possible for us to let go of the world.
This traditional equanimity meditation helps us remember the truth of the nature of impermanence and cause and effect: “All beings are owners of their karma. Their happiness and unhappiness depend on their actions, not on my wishes for them.” This might sound a little hard, a little ruthless, but it is true. Equanimity is ruthless compassion."
Edited by Sse (11/30/13 03:06 PM)
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lessismore
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: Sse]
#19209628 - 11/30/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Very true, the heart doesnt think about everything
we should all live more with the heart :-)
"love is all you need" -John Lennon , its true
Edited by lessismore (12/01/13 05:25 PM)
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How did you achieve this state, or was it spontaneous? I wasn't looking for it. I didn't know it existed. I never heard of it. Best way of putting it - I completely surrendered and stopped. Cessation of every desire. Nullifying myself into not being worthy of anything through complete failure.
Do you draw any parallels in media to your experience, i.e. religions, stories etc? All of it  Parallels all over the place.
How would you describe it, if it indeed may be described. Imagine nothing. Like a state lacking anything. Any-thing and any-where to put it. No space, no time, no senses, to perceive anything. But there is something, something we know very well. The feeling of existence. The 'I am'. The life itself. And it has imagination and through it emerges everything we know. So it is all It, everyone and everything is it and of this source. And we most intimately know it, because we ARE it and It is us. And everything but It, is nothing but imagination, a dream, illusion.
How has this event effected your life, or has it had an effect on your life? It turned the life upside down. Things make sense and gives life a reason. It ended most of suffering, but in some areas ego tends to continue to act is if it didn't happen and chooses to punish itself for some reason. It's a game of sorts.
Any other questions i'm not asking the right way? I wonder that too.
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Oneness is just forgetting/ignoring/silencing the other side  Yes I experience(d) it on many different occasions, many different things 'start(ed)' it and it feels too good
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