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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: Deviate]
#19201867 - 11/28/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Deviate said: Being asleep is valid until you get sick of suffering. As long as you don't mind pain, fear, loss, confusion, sickness and death it is valid to be asleep.
We choose too sleep, we choose to wake up.
or maybe we choose neither and this is just the natural progression of things. Something implicit in being.
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I feel oneness whenever I feel compassion or empathy for another.
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: teknix]
#19207038 - 11/30/13 12:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yup, and then you know exactly what to say/do to help, because they are you :-)
One love, one soul
The only problem is always not helping others enough, but trying ones best can be a liberation in itself
The greatest happiness is making/seeing others happy IMO
It is the central thing in Islam too, serve "Allah"/God by helping others.. religion is not entirely stupid :-) (I subscribe neither to the Quran or Bible, but I just noticed that, since I know a few muslims.. they are usually happy, because they try their best to help others)
Edited by lessismore (11/30/13 12:38 AM)
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: lessismore]
#19207050 - 11/30/13 12:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lol, I wish I always knew what to say or do!
I do my best, but there have been like 3 people suicide out of life recently, just shortly after I talked with them, it is a bit disconcerting tbh.
I think I basically end up feeling like shit with them many times.

I feel most helpless whe I am talking to someone who got ditched by their girlfriend and are still sour about it, I really don't know how to comfort them because I don't generally have such strong attachments, even though I remember when I did, I still don't know how to solve the problem of pain that comes with the loss until after the fact and mostly personally.
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: teknix]
#19207072 - 11/30/13 12:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes I know that feeling... it is very hard for me to relate to emotions too, since I am not my painbody sometimes I feel like a total asshole for it... even though I try to help and then I cant relate to the emotions
We cannot help everybody, I mostly try to help when I feel like I just have to help someone I meet Not everyone accepts love
Ram Dass says it well "we are all gods in terms of our own reality", that means that we cannot help everyone easily no matter what you say/do it wont be accepted sometimes, not everyone is ready to be helped/make change
but it still seems that we all accept love deep down, we just dont want to show/admit it
even though it doesnt seem like trying to help did anything, it still did something deep down I think
we are all here to learn, and often to learn from the same mistakes
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: teknix]
#19207082 - 11/30/13 12:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Most recently, one of my girlfriends was at odds with her boyfriend for some reason and she came to "kidnap" me and we went out to party. Her ex showed up and ended up hanging out with us. I was pretty drunk and talking about the vedics or "Maharishi's" or "Floaters" as most people around here call people of that spirituality. I remember sticking up for them and saying they aren't all that wrong about what they teach, and getting a ride back to my place with my girlfriend and her ex, and two weeks later he killed himself. It seemed completely random because he never really seemed suicidal, in fact he seemed much more quite and reserved than I would have expected a suicidal person to be.
Evidently I didn't help him much and might have been able to use the time with him a bit more productively, but who knows.
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: lessismore]
#19207091 - 11/30/13 12:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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mio said: Yes I know that feeling... it is very hard for me to relate to emotions too, since I am not my painbody sometimes I feel like a total asshole for it... even though I try to help and then I cant relate to the emotions
Yeah, it feels a bit cold at first, but if you get caught up in the feelings it is even worse because you get dragged down as well, especially if they aren't interested in solutions as much as they are focused on the problems which are pretty much out of their control. It is kind of a helpless feeling that rubs off on me as well, and it sucks tbh. I can tell them to try meditation, or moving on, but it doesn't generally work with people so focused on the problem.
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: teknix]
#19207095 - 11/30/13 12:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oneness sounds all honkey dorey and great, but when it comes down to it, I think it is easier and much more comforting to be separate from it.
So if you do decide that is what you want, beware that it isn't as green on the other side as it seems at first glance.
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: teknix]
#19207098 - 11/30/13 12:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Might have nothing to do with you?
Anyway, what I noticed from myself is that change takes a very long time to happen I wouldnt have accepted help myself from anybody the past 15 years I think, even though I hated/was careless about myself for about 15 years
We learn from mistakes, but that learning takes many years, there is no magic way to help others
But sometimes you just know what to say to others to help, at least so it is for me
It is not for fun that counseling education takes many years, it can be very hard to help others, so we should only help if we really feel like we have to I think (but not sure yet), it will feel natural
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: lessismore]
#19207102 - 11/30/13 12:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, It probably has absolutely nothing to do with me, but there is that feel that I missed something important. Ya know?
A lot of my friends like to share their problems with me for some reason, probably because they think I'm smarter and I can somehow figure out their situation better, and sometimes I can and do, but it isn't always so.
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: teknix]
#19207144 - 11/30/13 01:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's quite egoic of you to assume your friends share their problems with you because they think you're smarter than them..
...Could it not be that sharing your lives/problems is part of the whole "being friends" thing?
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: cez]
#19207146 - 11/30/13 01:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nah, it isn't really. Most of these guys went to school with me and saw me get every award at the end of every year. Not that I think I am smart, but they do . .
I generally resent being labeled as such, and voice it for the most part.
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: teknix]
#19207151 - 11/30/13 01:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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http://www.islamondemand.com/30_facts.html
Just found out I am a bit of a muslim lol, I always wondered why my bro said he was muslim
but now I know;)
interesting read, "the Source of Peace" :-)
submission to god means submission to helping others to me, seeing god in everyone and everything
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teknix said: Oneness sounds all honkey dorey and great, but when it comes down to it, I think it is easier and much more comforting to be separate from it.
so if you do decide that is what you want, beware that it isn't as green on the other side as it seems at first glance.
oneness is often by sacrificing oneself not even your family might understand, but they may start to
it is a spiritual path, and it is usually without suffering, but the frustration can be great when even your family doesnt understand you at times the good thing is that if you raise your consciousness your familys consciousness will usually raise too it seems, I can change everyone around me by changing myself
be how you want others to be, no frustration :-) if frustrated about others, one is frustrated about oneself.. that is the only bad thing, can be hard to get rid of if you raise your consciousness can take years of dedication..
personally I believe in god too, my mom is christian,my dad is buddhist,my bro and his gf are muslims and know a few muslims/christians god is peace(love) to me, but more than just a word, it is a feeling of inner peace dont subscribe to any religion though.. but like christianity,buddhism,hinduism,islam etc. :-)
feel the love, share the love, realize our spiritual nature, that is oneness many people are awake luckily
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: lessismore]
#19207160 - 11/30/13 01:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: Chronic7]
#19207465 - 11/30/13 06:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am an asshole. After being chef at five venues I can tell you all that I suck at management. One thing I do apply liberally is the apology because I do know I am an asshole. None of that has to do with compassion.
I've heard of compassion, but those who practice it like surgeons also charge like doctors. They expect the world from you in return.
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: eve69]
#19207809 - 11/30/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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A truly compassionate person helps you without desiring anything in return, nor does such a person feel they have gained anything by helping you.
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: Deviate]
#19208488 - 11/30/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Deviate said: A truly compassionate person helps you without desiring anything in return, nor does such a person feel they have gained anything by helping you.
Hmm.
Meaty.
We'd all like to think that, yes... but I'm not so sure human psychology works that way.
I think the desire "to help" derives from an ego-driven innate longing for "usefulness." You believe yourself "useful" only to the extent that you do stuff you perceive as "useful."
Different people define "usefulness" differently. If I believe in mercy killings, for example, I may think of myself as truly compassionate if I smother you with a pillow to end your suffering. Someone else might consider me a murderer for doing that.
It's very complicated, this "compassion" thing.
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Re: Have you experienced oneness? [Re: Chronic7]
#19208923 - 11/30/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Chronic said:
THE question
Who am I?
What and how is I?
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