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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19191919 - 11/26/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

no i dont have evidence. Its just what i think.  The cops mustve received a tip or something to suspect anything was in the package. Maybe his source is under investigation or one of his costumers  might have said something.  But its all speculation.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19191945 - 11/26/13 01:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

We used to get "good acid" through here in the 90's, but I stopped doing acid 15 years ago due to the rise of RC's so I am not sure about today's scene here. With that said, I am now almost positive some of the stuff I used get that I would deem "bad acid" after tripping was most certainly NOT real LSD and most likely a RC of some kind.

BTW, I am not saying you aren't getting real LSD, I'm just stating that the chances are slim. I hope I don't sound like I am calling you a liar, because that is not my intention.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19191968 - 11/26/13 01:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

100mg = 1 dose


and "intent 2 distributed" wtf thats insane, is holding a can of beer intent to distribute?


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: Synthe] * 1
    #19191987 - 11/26/13 01:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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100mg = 1 dose


and "intent 2 distributed" wtf thats insane, is holding a can of beer intent to distribute?



You gotta be kidding me. 100 micrograms is 1 dose of LSD. We're talking 100 milligrams, that's 10,000 1,000 doses, and indeed those quantities are enough for a distribution charge.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: mylfgur]
    #19192026 - 11/26/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

100 mg = 100,000 ug

We can argue all day about what an average dose is, but lets just say 100 ug. That would be 1,000 doses.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: isic]
    #19192029 - 11/26/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Because you think something is not probable means squat. There is nothing rural about Manville. There is less than nothing rural about Scotch Plains. While there are rural areas in NJ, neither of those qualify.

Driving 10 miles in that area can take as long as 45 minutes. Look into the traffic on Rt206 or 28. It may have been rural decades ago.

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Population in 2012: 10,399 (100% urban, 0% rural). Population change since 2000: +0.5%




http://www.city-data.com/city/Manville-New-Jersey.html

Douglas County on the other hand, reeks of rural.

Without evidence to the contrary the story stands.

Now... do you have any proof to back your claims?


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: trampis]
    #19192033 - 11/26/13 01:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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100 mg = 100,000 ug

We can argue all day about what an average dose is, but lets just say 100 ug. That would be 1,000 doses.



True that, my fault on the quick maths.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19192063 - 11/26/13 01:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I have more proof than you. Your rant about what is rural and what's not is pointless conjecture only to serve your disagreement but serves no proof. There is however proof in the pudding that without a GC/MS analysis, they do not know what substance they have and cannot say it is LSD. There is no possible way a GC/MS was done in this span of time.

There is also proof in the pudding that thousands of substances will test the same as LSD on a field test. Ehrlichs are prone to misidentification. I didn't read the article word for word that closely but it would appear the substance was unidentified when they were reported it was coming, and then the suspect himself never identified what the substance was.

So without proof this is even LSD how can you say a dog sniffed out that it was LSD? It could be a chemical used in tattoo ink for all we know. There are many indoles put in those types of inks to keep them stable as a solution over long periods of time.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: D.M.T]
    #19192087 - 11/26/13 01:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I have more proof than you.




Yet you've produced none.  Huh.


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So without proof this is even LSD how can you say a dog sniffed out that it was LSD?




Where did I say it was?


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: D.M.T]
    #19192104 - 11/26/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I have more proof than you. Your rant about what is rural and what's not is pointless conjecture only to serve your disagreement but serves no proof. There is however proof in the pudding that without a GC/MS analysis, they do not know what substance they have and cannot say it is LSD. There is no possible way a GC/MS was done in this span of time.

There is also proof in the pudding that thousands of substances will test the same as LSD on a field test. Ehrlichs are prone to misidentification. I didn't read the article word for word that closely but it would appear the substance was unidentified when they were reported it was coming, and then the suspect himself never identified what the substance was.

So without proof this is even LSD how can you say a dog sniffed out that it was LSD? It could be a chemical used in tattoo ink for all we know. There are many indoles put in those types of inks to keep them stable as a solution over long periods of time.




I don't see Luvdemshrooms disagreeing with anyone except for when they're claiming to know things that are omitted from the article. He is only being skeptical, and many users in this thread are "calling bullshit" and making claims with no evidence. Yes, the police may have done the same thing, but you can't make up your own facts and insert them into a news article. It doesn't work like that... Unless you're the one writing the article.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19192124 - 11/26/13 01:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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It's highly unlikely that there are many (if any) dogs trained to sniff out LSD, and the odds of the police just happening to have the rare dog that is on hand.




The shop is in Manville. The dog came from Scotch Plains.

They didn't have a "rare" dog on hand. They had to borrow one from another set of cops that are 16 miles away. 16 miles on Rt22 in NJ is probably a good 30 minutes each way.

From the article:

"A police dog from Scotch Plains later detected the presence of a controlled dangerous substance in the parcel, the affidavit states."



from what i understand dogs are trained to sniff out one thing at a time usually they go for the more popular drugs ( weed coke heroin etc) how did they no to get a dog specifically to sniff out lsd? and i am sure this was not crystal probably blotters or maybe another medium probably wasnt even that much lsd either but he sounds like he got set up


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: mylfgur]
    #19192141 - 11/26/13 01:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't see Luvdemshrooms disagreeing with anyone except for when they're claiming to know things that are omitted from the article. He is only being skeptical, and many users in this thread are "calling bullshit" and making claims with no evidence. Yes, the police may have done the same thing, but you can't make up your own facts and insert them into a news article. It doesn't work like that... Unless you're the one writing the article.




Sure I can with my frontal lobes. it's called opinion. I can't speak for anyone else, but luvdemshrooms didn't bring anything new to the table that I hadn't already put into consideration before coming to the conclusion police most likely tampered with evidence to get "100mg of LSD". Put it all together through a point of view of someone on 'the other side of the law', with the required details omitted it can very hardly point to the police playing fairly.

they didnt come through their conclusion with mass spectrometry. I'm not sure what test they used - likely not one that could differentiate LSD, RC, or other chemicals a businessman might use.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: D.M.T]
    #19192152 - 11/26/13 01:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't see Luvdemshrooms disagreeing with anyone except for when they're claiming to know things that are omitted from the article. He is only being skeptical, and many users in this thread are "calling bullshit" and making claims with no evidence. Yes, the police may have done the same thing, but you can't make up your own facts and insert them into a news article. It doesn't work like that... Unless you're the one writing the article.




Sure I can with my frontal lobes. it's called opinion. I can't speak for anyone else, but luvdemshrooms didn't bring anything new to the table that I hadn't already put into consideration before coming to the conclusion police most likely tampered with evidence to get "100mg of LSD". Put it all together through a point of view of someone on 'the other side of the law', with the required details omitted it can very hardly point to the police playing fairly.

they didnt come through their conclusion with mass spectrometry. I'm not sure what test they used - likely not one that could differentiate LSD, RC, or other chemicals a businessman might use.



That's because news is generally produced before enough time has been given for police work, and especially lab work, to be done.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: allseeingike]
    #19192165 - 11/26/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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from what i understand dogs are trained to sniff out one thing at a time usually they go for the more popular drugs ( weed coke heroin etc) how did they no to get a dog specifically to sniff out lsd? and i am sure this was not crystal probably blotters or maybe another medium probably wasnt even that much lsd either but he sounds like he got set up





I think your understanding is wrong.

When the cops show up to do a drug search do they bring one dog or several?

While no-one claimed the dog was specially trained for LSD, it stands to reason since the cops showed up based on a package (sure seems like they received a tip) that they'd bring one trained for what they expected to find.

Further, since they had to borrow a dog from a not too local town it seems quite likely that they knew just what they would find.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: D.M.T]
    #19192181 - 11/26/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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but luvdemshrooms didn't bring anything new to the table




I just pointed out the flaws in logic.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19192190 - 11/26/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Members of the Somerset County Prosecutor’s Office Organized Crime and Narcotics Task Force had received information that a package containing an unknown narcotic would be delivered to David Zecca, 30, at the business, according to an affidavit filed in Superior Court in Somerville.




According to the article they didn't know what they were looking for.

I'm not familiar with the area this happened in, but where I'm from there is one drug dog for the entire county, so it could take well over 30 minutes for the dog to arrive. Doesn't seem important to me that they had a dog come in that far away, although it is odd that they didn't have a dog ready for this operation. Did they assume the guy would willingly allow them to search the package?


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19192199 - 11/26/13 01:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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from what i understand dogs are trained to sniff out one thing at a time usually they go for the more popular drugs ( weed coke heroin etc) how did they no to get a dog specifically to sniff out lsd? and i am sure this was not crystal probably blotters or maybe another medium probably wasnt even that much lsd either but he sounds like he got set up





I think your understanding is wrong.

When the cops show up to do a drug search do they bring one dog or several?

While no-one claimed the dog was specially trained for LSD, it stands to reason since the cops showed up based on a package (sure seems like they received a tip) that they'd bring one trained for what they expected to find.

Further, since they had to borrow a dog from a not too local town it seems quite likely that they knew just what they would find.



The story says they were tipped. It was no doubt the person who sent it that tipped the goons to it. All that is needed to carry out an attack on someone is to mail them some drugs and alert the cops that they will be receiving it. That was the main point I thought, that the guy is just some random jackoff that is being set up by some enemy.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: mylfgur]
    #19192210 - 11/26/13 01:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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mylfgur said:
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Synthe said:
100mg = 1 dose


and "intent 2 distributed" wtf thats insane, is holding a can of beer intent to distribute?



You gotta be kidding me. 100 micrograms is 1 dose of LSD. We're talking 100 milligrams, that's 10,000 1,000 doses, and indeed those quantities are enough for a distribution charge.




oh wow I'm not thinking right i meant to put UG not MG


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: trampis]
    #19192218 - 11/26/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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According to the article they didn't know what they were looking for.

I'm not familiar with the area this happened in, but where I'm from there is one drug dog for the entire county, so it could take well over 30 minutes for the dog to arrive. Doesn't seem important to me that they had a dog come in that far away, although it is odd that they didn't have a dog ready for this operation. Did they assume the guy would willingly allow them to search the package?




According to the article, yes

However, seeing as they received a tip and when not allowed to search the package they brought in a dog from some distance away, do you really think they didn't know what they would find?

And it wouldn't surprise me (with the arrogance that some cops have) if they thought the guy would let them search. People confess and/or allow searches all the time.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19192237 - 11/26/13 02:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The story says they were tipped.




Yup. I should have more accurately said that (sure seems like they received a tip about just what was in the package)


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