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First Batch of GT not producing/weird looking mushrooms
    #19190098 - 11/26/13 01:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)



It took perhaps 3 weeks from the time I inoculated until the time I birthed.  I had actually birthed early, seeing as the cakes needed a full week to consolidate following full colonization.  The reason I birthed early was that upon looking at the jar colonies I found the cakes to be covered with thousands of pins.  Not only pins but in fact a couple of small mushrooms here and there pressing against the jar.  I gently cleaned the cakes under water, let soak in cool water for 24 hours and then placed in FC.  These cakes have been birthed for 1 week now.  There was one very nice mushroom that grew on one of these producing cakes but it matured and opened.  After which I picked it because it was turning black.  You can see many shitty sick looking mushrooms, and one fairly nice one.  5 of the cakes are doing nothing and none of these cakes seem to have any real pins.  It seem that after soaking the pins disappeared and never really returned.  I have been exposing the FC to 150W clear light and have been misting.  I have also employed a humidifier which I run throughout the day creating a very humid condition in the closet that is holding the FC.  I also have a space heart that keeps the closet at ~80.  For fanning I remove the top and allow a hepa filter to blow purified air into FC for several minutes in intervals during the day.  Not sure what ive done wrong.  Very disappointing.  Any suggestions?


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Re: First Batch of GT not producing/weird looking mushrooms [Re: Triple_Six]
    #19190134 - 11/26/13 01:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Is that tub elevated? How long does it stay in a closed closet? Tubs are not to particular to that idea. You can still have success just not optimal.


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Re: First Batch of GT not producing/weird looking mushrooms [Re: highc]
    #19190141 - 11/26/13 01:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The tub hangs out in there all day and yes, it is elevated ~4 inches or so from the floor.


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Re: First Batch of GT not producing/weird looking mushrooms [Re: Triple_Six]
    #19190170 - 11/26/13 01:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Your humidity inside your FC is low. There is no need to have a heater in there unless you don't heat your whole house. Its probably hurting alot more than helping. Do you mist before you fan?

Even though your cakes appeared fully colonized the very center was not, and even after birthing it still has to consolidate. Colonization is easier for a fungus to under relatively high CO2 conditions like in the jar.

If thats how far your 6500k cfl is the intensity is nill.

You have the fresh air exchange, as long as you leave that door open alomst all the time, you just need to work on humidity in the FC, let them go a little longer in the jar next time, maybe move your light closer after you get the other things in check.


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Re: First Batch of GT not producing/weird looking mushrooms [Re: jamvan]
    #19190183 - 11/26/13 01:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Should I just drop that little humidifier IN the FC?  If I run it on low in there it will be at 100% humidity in no time.  I can then open the top to and just blow the air inside.  I guess this would guarantee that the cakes are always moist.


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Re: First Batch of GT not producing/weird looking mushrooms [Re: Triple_Six]
    #19190213 - 11/26/13 02:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

No. Actually everyone seems to strive for it but 100% humidity is not actually your goal. 90% is according to mushroom cultivator by paul stamets. Also rapid and repeated evaporation is one of the biggest triggers of fruiting so keeping them soaked 24/7 wouldnt be good. Also lower your temp. You want around 80-85 for colonization but ten degrees lower for fruiting. Also a fruiting trigger :smile:. Thats a generalization. It varies from species to species.  And your closet even with closed door is fine as far as air volume goes. Just open it once a day. Espeically if your growing a pscilicybin species wich are more tolerant of higher co2 lvls and infact perform better in them.


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Re: First Batch of GT not producing/weird looking mushrooms [Re: Valyr]
    #19190222 - 11/26/13 02:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Oh and get a 4ft flourescent with blue spectrum grow bulbs lol. Then just stand it in a corner near your tub or something. Thats what i do anyways. Then stack the tubs up to the height of the flourescent :smile:


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Re: First Batch of GT not producing/weird looking mushrooms [Re: Valyr]
    #19190248 - 11/26/13 02:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

....just a tip to make the cakes last longer get your tub off the floor alot of contams hang out down low getting kicked up as you move around ...a lil coffee table does wonders


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Re: First Batch of GT not producing/weird looking mushrooms [Re: Valyr]
    #19190381 - 11/26/13 03:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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jamvan said:
Even though your cakes appeared fully colonized the very center was not, and even after birthing it still has to consolidate.



If the cake is fully colonized on the outside, then it is also fully colonized on the inside.

Consolidation is giving the mycellium time to digest the very nutritious substrate before fruiting, to get a better first flush.

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Also lower your temp. You want around 80-85 for colonization but ten degrees lower for fruiting. Also a fruiting trigger :smile:.



Jars/bags/tubs/trays should colonize @ room temperature getting ambient/indirect light.

Main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and Evaporation off of the substrate.

Light is a secondary pinning trigger. For tropical species temperature is not a pinning factor.

P. Cubensis are a tropical species. You could colonize at 70F and fruit at 80F with great results.


Title says GT...that is P. Cubensis.....

You want ambient/indirect light(on a 12/12 schedule preferably) for colonization and consolidation.

You want direct/intense 6500K light on a 12/12 schedule for fruiting.

Optimal temps are mid 70s throughout the whole grow, but anywhere from 65F-80F is acceptable.

Incubation is outdated/uneeded unless temps in the range stated above cannot be kept.

The inside of the jar is always a few degrees warmer than the outside because the mycellium produces heat..mycellium tends to stall at temps above 86F , and contams thrive.

Fruiting at cooler temps tends to produce denser, meatier fruits, while fruiting at higher temps will often produce hollow, less dense stems.

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Oh and get a 4ft flourescent with blue spectrum grow bulbs lol. Then just stand it in a corner near your tub or something. Thats what i do anyways. Then stack the tubs up to the height of the flourescent :smile:



Just get some of these and call it a day...no need for a 4 foot fixture with "grow lights".....

http://www.lowes.com/pd_302257-3-26966_0__?productId=3202347&Ntt=sylvania+daylight&pl=1¤tURL=%3FNtt%3Dsylvania%2Bdaylight&facetInfo=


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Re: First Batch of GT not producing/weird looking mushrooms [Re: PussyFart]
    #19191112 - 11/26/13 09:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry maybe the book is outdated. But this is directly from paul stamets book "the mushroom cultivator", commonly referred to as the mycologist bible:

Species: Psilocybe cubensis
Growth Parameters:
Spawn Run:
Humidity 90%
Substrate Temp 84-86 degrees F
CO2 5000-1000ppm
FAE Zero

Post Casing/ Prepinning:
Humidity 90%+
Temp 84-86
CO2 5-10k ppm
FAE Zero
Light- Total Darkness

Primordia Formation:
Humidity 95-100%
Tem 74-78
CO2 Lower than 5k ppm
FAE- 1-3 per hr
Light- Diffuse natural or exposure t0 12-16hrs a day of grow lux type flourescent light high in blue spectra at the 480 nanometer wavelength.

Cropping:
Relative Humidity 85-92%
Temp 74-78
Co2 -5kppm
FAE 1-3 per hr
Light Same as Primordia Formation

But as we all know this is a burgeoining feild in the science community and things change very fast as we further our understanding. The book could very well be "outdated" and if so I apologise for providing incorrect or old information.


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Re: First Batch of GT not producing/weird looking mushrooms [Re: Valyr]
    #19191219 - 11/26/13 10:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ok I am confused.  Which is it?  From the pictures is it humidity, light, disease or what?  Remember I am a complete beginner and I followed a very simple tech.  Right now the only thing I can gauge is temperature, so if your saying they look dry I am going to drop the humidifier inside the FT a couple times a day to moisten things up a bit.  Also I guess I thought that, at least from what I have read, that indirect light was enough for pinning.  If my 2800 lumens clear light is not enough as you are saying, well then Ill go grab a stronger light.  Not to sound ungrateful, but remember I am still riding with training wheels.


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Re: First Batch of GT not producing/weird looking mushrooms [Re: Triple_Six]
    #19191294 - 11/26/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

2800 lumens is the wrong color spectrum for fruiting mushrooms.  Also a spray bottle to mist would be better than puttinga humidifier in your Chamber


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Re: First Batch of GT not producing/weird looking mushrooms [Re: blueconfusion]
    #19191375 - 11/26/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Lumens is a measure of strength not color. Yes that light is still too weak and its also the wrong color. Mushrooms are weird in that they use blue light in fruiting rather than red like marijuana does.

Its up to you man. Hacker is very well known on these forums and many dont know why he doesnt have the trusted cultivator tag yet but I follow paul stamets book and a few other trusted cultivators that say temp plays a difference and mine fruit just fine.

Yeah you should mist with a sprayer instead of putting the humidifier in. Also the temp will play part in the humidity aswell ofcourse. Need to keep temps up for evaporation to create the humidity.

Look at it this way, what do you got to lose by trying? Just switch soem shit around like the temp or light and see what happens. Trial and error man :smile:. The foundation of all learning lol.


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Re: First Batch of GT not producing/weird looking mushrooms [Re: blueconfusion]
    #19191385 - 11/26/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Also, maybe I should mention, I am cultivated at high elevation (~6000ft).  Does this affect any parts of the process?


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Re: First Batch of GT not producing/weird looking mushrooms [Re: Triple_Six]
    #19191395 - 11/26/13 10:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yes it does. I dont know alot about that though. I know it effects atleast the sterilization process and how long it takes. Asfar as any other stages I dont know.


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Re: First Batch of GT not producing/weird looking mushrooms [Re: Valyr]
    #19191464 - 11/26/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Mist your cakes until they glisten.

Fan the chamber.

Leave until the cakes no longer glisten.

Repeat.

OP, you seem to be messing up this process here. Those cakes and mushrooms are way too dry.


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Re: First Batch of GT not producing/weird looking mushrooms [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19191480 - 11/26/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I couldnt tell from the pics. Is that what causes that funky color on the caps Frank? I didnt know cause ive never seen it before.


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Re: First Batch of GT not producing/weird looking mushrooms [Re: Valyr]
    #19191775 - 11/26/13 12:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I couldnt tell from the pics. Is that what causes that funky color on the caps Frank? I didnt know cause ive never seen it before.




I have. Humidity is too low.
Is your perlite saturated?



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Re: First Batch of GT not producing/weird looking mushrooms [Re: krikkrew]
    #19191841 - 11/26/13 12:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I soaked it and everything as per the instructions in the tech.  It is quite dry though.  It must be the dryness of the elevation here.  What about the lack of pins though?  Are lack of pins also a result of low humidity?


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Re: First Batch of GT not producing/weird looking mushrooms [Re: Triple_Six]
    #19191921 - 11/26/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

yes. if your perlite is dry man you gotta douse that shit. Ive read people sayin to put it in the shower and saturate it, leaving it in there a bit after to drip so you dont soak your floor.


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