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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: jboredone]
    #19191532 - 11/26/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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it might of not sniffed out the lsd but the guy that sent the package just got done smoking some heady nugs......the nugs left an odor on his hands which got left on the lsd.....:awethumb:



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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: jboredone]
    #19191547 - 11/26/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That could very well be the case jboredone, which would be horrible business practice on their part.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #19191562 - 11/26/13 11:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Even if dogs could sniff LSD, the likelihood of there being such a dog so readily available nearby is quite slim to none. Typically they are only trained to smell marijuana, cocaine, heroin, meth, and cash. Anything else will require a specialty dog - more training - more $$$. Having a dog to detect LSD in an area where LSD is uncommon wouldn't make sense, even the cops know that would be a waste of time, training and money. We are also talking about an area that passes for "rural" by New Jersey's standards...




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1. They had to travel to get the dog.
2. It doesn't matter what they are "typically" trained to do, only what this dog was trained to do.
3. I lived and worked in Manville. I went to school in Bridgewater. They are by no means rural.
4. When did cops ever worry about cost?
5. LSD is not hard to find in NJ.




they traveled 30 minutes. that's not traveling.... the likelihood is so off-base, it's clear you just want to argue that it's possible, which it is. but likely? nah.

east of Bridgewater and Manville is pretty rural for New Jersey. you're neglecting to mention that part. probably because you just want to argue. I've traveled your whole crummy state. only Mullica, west of Vineland, etc. are as rural. the rest is asshole stacked on top of asshole, as you would be a case in point.

also since when was new jersey known for LSD? only places I'm aware of that could be considered "hotspots" in the US are northern California and southern Oregon. It may be available but to say that LSD is a common drug law enforcement are pursuing in NJ is laughable.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: D.M.T]
    #19191581 - 11/26/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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they traveled 30 minutes. that's not traveling.... the likelihood is so off-base, it's clear you just want to argue that it's possible, which it is. but likely? nah.

east of Bridgewater and Manville is pretty rural for New Jersey. you're neglecting to mention that part. probably because you just want to argue. I've traveled your whole crummy state. only Mullica, west of Vineland, etc. are as rural. the rest is asshole stacked on top of asshole, as you would be a case in point.

also since when was new jersey known for LSD? only places I'm aware of that could be considered "hotspots" in the US are northern California and southern Oregon. It may be available but to say that LSD is a common drug law enforcement are pursuing in NJ is laughable.




You're quite wrong about "rural", but even if you weren't they got the dog from a police department in a decidedly unrural area.

It's not hard to be wrong. Step up and own it. You demonstrated you had lost the argument when you resorted to a flame.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: D.M.T]
    #19191610 - 11/26/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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also since when was new jersey known for LSD? only places I'm aware of that could be considered "hotspots" in the US are northern California and southern Oregon. It may be available but to say that LSD is a common drug law enforcement are pursuing in NJ is laughable.




Also, nice strawman filled rant.

I didn't say they were known for LSD.

I didn't say they were hotspots.

I didn't say it was a common drug that law enforcement was pursuing in NJ.

You can travel the state all you want. Having lived in it gives one a different perspective.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19191624 - 11/26/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not wrong until proven so. Clearly the probability is in my favor as many law enforcement (not just the 'dont get caught' guy) have admitted police often cause the dog to go into false-positive mode, and LSD-sniffing dogs are very far and few between if they even do exist. Perhaps since you lived in Manville you could tell us, does Manville even have its own police dog? many municipalities do not and thus have to call in the nearest.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19191630 - 11/26/13 11:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

such bullshit.  dog did not indicate drugs.  Fedex is a bad choice and guy shouldnt have agreed to let the search his package.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19191644 - 11/26/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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they traveled 30 minutes. that's not traveling.... the likelihood is so off-base, it's clear you just want to argue that it's possible, which it is. but likely? nah.

east of Bridgewater and Manville is pretty rural for New Jersey. you're neglecting to mention that part. probably because you just want to argue. I've traveled your whole crummy state. only Mullica, west of Vineland, etc. are as rural. the rest is asshole stacked on top of asshole, as you would be a case in point.

also since when was new jersey known for LSD? only places I'm aware of that could be considered "hotspots" in the US are northern California and southern Oregon. It may be available but to say that LSD is a common drug law enforcement are pursuing in NJ is laughable.




You're quite wrong about "rural", but even if you weren't they got the dog from a police department in a decidedly unrural area.

It's not hard to be wrong. Step up and own it. You demonstrated you had lost the argument when you resorted to a flame.




Rural? Ha! Come to Colorado if you want to really know what rural is. There are patches of land out here with NO ONE there, that are probably bigger than the entire state of NJ.

Also, chances are MOST of the "LSD" you are getting in NJ isn't LSD at all. It is more probable that you are just getting another chemical (RC) designed to mimic the effects of LSD. True LSD is not easy to make and is quite rare, where as some of these "mimic"  research chemicals are easy to obtain, easy to make, all over the place and in some cases, even legal.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: jboredone]
    #19191645 - 11/26/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If you're going to go that far you could just say the dog hit because the handler told it to......We all know this is what usually happens anyway.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: Ogla]
    #19191647 - 11/26/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

He didn't agree to a search, that's why they brought in the drug dog.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: isic]
    #19191659 - 11/26/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Colorado isn't even rural compared to say Borneo, but that's not the point. the point is that the area is rural for New Jersey, which happens to be the least rural state in the US. although they do have a real high number of horse farms. in fact agriculturally speaking New Jersey may even be superior to Colorado. (but of course everything else (besides soil and climate) about Colorado is superior to New Jersey


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: D.M.T]
    #19191734 - 11/26/13 12:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm not wrong until proven so. Clearly the probability is in my favor as many law enforcement (not just the 'dont get caught' guy) have admitted police often cause the dog to go into false-positive mode, and LSD-sniffing dogs are very far and few between if they even do exist. Perhaps since you lived in Manville you could tell us, does Manville even have its own police dog? many municipalities do not and thus have to call in the nearest.




Probability doesn't mean shit in this case. What does matter is what happened. So unless you can point to evidence to the contrary you have no legs to stand on.

Manville did not have a drug dog when I lived there. Seeing as they had to bring a drug dog in from another town, it seems they still don't.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: Ogla]
    #19191738 - 11/26/13 12:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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such bullshit.  dog did not indicate drugs.




You can provide evidence?


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: isic]
    #19191740 - 11/26/13 12:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I have never been to Borneo, and I am sure it's pretty rural. But I guess Colorado (espesially eastern Colorado) is more desolate than rural. I have been to places where the only life around is knee high dead grass on completely flat ground as far as the eye could see. Not a tree, bird or insect in sight. The only sound around besides yourself is the wind moving through said grass and when I think of rural, I think of this. But that's just the plains. We have a pretty big state and I'm sure you can imagine how rural and inhabitable our Rocky Mountains can be.

Not sure about soil quality so I couldn't comment on that, and you might even be right about climate for the most part, but I will say that there is a month (mid Sept-mid Oct) where we have the best weather on the planet... and I used to live in San Diego. But outside of this month and a few good weeks in the spring, the rest of the year can go fuck itself! lol!


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: D.M.T]
    #19191750 - 11/26/13 12:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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shivas.wisdom said:
If you have an understanding of olfactory perception (the sense of smell), you will know that the process involves molecules binding to olfactory receptors--those molecules are generally light, volatile (easy to evaporate) chemicals that float through the air into your nose.

LSD fits this profile





Thanks for the condescending lecture about sensory perception. You're right about a few things, except for the fact that LSD is not particularly light, nor is it very volatile. The predicted vaporization temperature of LSD is occurs at 541.3±50.0 °C (1). I don't see how it is volatile in the least bit. Sure, due to some ridiculous quantum interactions, one LSD molecule may evaporate at room temperature once in a blue moon.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: isic]
    #19191751 - 11/26/13 12:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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? Ha! Come to Colorado if you want to really know what rural is. There are patches of land out here with NO ONE there, that are probably bigger than the entire state of NJ.

Also, chances are MOST of the "LSD" you are getting in NJ isn't LSD at all. It is more probable that you are just getting another chemical (RC) designed to mimic the effects of LSD. True LSD is not easy to make and is quite rare, where as some of these "mimic"  research chemicals are easy to obtain, easy to make, all over the place and in some cases, even legal.




Both true so far as they go, yet I had no trouble scoring acid when I lived in a very rural area of Colorado (Douglas County).


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19191851 - 11/26/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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such bullshit.  dog did not indicate drugs.




You can provide evidence?




I think it was a false indication. Cops make the dogs do that so they have an excuse to search cars and stuff. I dont believe LSD can be smelled even by a dog.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: Ogla]
    #19191859 - 11/26/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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such bullshit.  dog did not indicate drugs.




You can provide evidence?




I think it was a false indication. Cops make the dogs do that so they have an excuse to search cars and stuff. I dont believe LSD can be smelled even by a dog.



I agree with you on this, but again, it's all speculation. You cannot logically claim that it was bullshit because you weren't there. See my above post where I cited the predicted vaporization point of LSD. As to whether dogs can smell it, I'm not sure, and considering the ridiculous vapor point of LSD I doubt any law enforcement officials are sure either, but I'll ask my dog and get back to you ASAP. My money is on false indication as well.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: Ogla]
    #19191902 - 11/26/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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losfreddy said:
such bullshit.  dog did not indicate drugs.




You can provide evidence?




I think it was a false indication. Cops make the dogs do that so they have an excuse to search cars and stuff. I dont believe LSD can be smelled even by a dog.




It seems like it would be easier to say that... no, you don't have evidence.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19191913 - 11/26/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Probability doesn't mean shit in this case. What does matter is what happened. So unless you can point to evidence to the contrary you have no legs to stand on.

Manville did not have a drug dog when I lived there. Seeing as they had to bring a drug dog in from another town, it seems they still don't.




Probability is the foundation for a biased hypothesis.

Seriously though, in this case I'm skeptical of an LSD-sniffing dog 30 minutes away. Where I live a 30 minute distance is tantamount to driving to work every morning. Probably much of the US could say that. Police are a whole different beast when it comes to drugs. Naturally as not only an LSD user, but an educated one at that, I'm inclined not to trust this whole story that we are given. How do we even know it's LSD? Was some sort of chemical analysis done (GC/MS, HPLC, TLC?) Field test that indicated it is an indole? There's quite a few indoles, possibly even in tattoo equipment, that would fail that field test. is it because the cops said it's LSD? from what i can gather - the "suspect" isn't talking.

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? Ha! Come to Colorado if you want to really know what rural is. There are patches of land out here with NO ONE there, that are probably bigger than the entire state of NJ.

Also, chances are MOST of the "LSD" you are getting in NJ isn't LSD at all. It is more probable that you are just getting another chemical (RC) designed to mimic the effects of LSD. True LSD is not easy to make and is quite rare, where as some of these "mimic"  research chemicals are easy to obtain, easy to make, all over the place and in some cases, even legal.




Both true so far as they go, yet I had no trouble scoring acid when I lived in a very rural area of Colorado (Douglas County).



But certainly you are from NJ if you believe Douglas County is rural - which goes back to me saying that area is rural for New Jersey:tongue:


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