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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: Mescalean]
    #19193153 - 11/26/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I particularly like that "give back" bullshit.  I wasn't given anything so there is nothing to give back.


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: Mescalean]
    #19193161 - 11/26/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

In a system where people vote the majority usually decide:shrug:


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: Konyap]
    #19193170 - 11/26/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Which laws have you been able to vote on?


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: Mescalean]
    #19193178 - 11/26/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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So who here believes if I work my ass off to make a decent living, made sacrifices, went to school. That I should pay more taxes than joe shmoe who made zero effort in life working at kfc.




I do, you can afford it. You did well, now give back. That's what I mentioned earlier. A culture of selfishness and greed



Who is greedier?  The person who wants to keep what he earned or the lazy useless sack of shit who never did anything of value but demands to be supported?




Why should society support someone who doesn't contribute like everyone else who works? Why should they get a free ride from me? Thank you



it's not only those people that use support. some people NEED the support, and have already GIVEN to society for years.


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19193183 - 11/26/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

None.
Obama is a great speaker but that's pretty much as far as his job requirements entail.


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: Konyap]
    #19193197 - 11/26/13 05:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

His speaking abilities are just more of the media myth. Watch one of his speeches where he goes without the teleprompter.


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19193209 - 11/26/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

He cracked jokes during the debate that were actually witty

that puts him pretty far ahead of the other guys

must have something to do with the choom gang


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19193216 - 11/26/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Actually, they are quite different. When a community bands together it's because they wish to do certain things willingly, whereas a government doesn't very often give a fuck what you or the community wants. You'll do it or face the consequences.



:facepalm: Except that we willingly banded together to create a representative government made up of individual people who very much give a fuck what the people who vote for them want.

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Why should society support someone who doesn't contribute like everyone else who works? Why should they get a free ride from me? Thank you



You're arguing a particularly nasty straw-man. The idea that anyone who needs support is lazy and looking for a free ride IS BULLSHIT. Most people who get government assistance DO work, but are for a MULTITUDE of reasons unable to make ends meet. Those people DO pay taxes, just like you, though most likely it is a much LARGER burden on them because of how little they make compared to what they pay, even in sales tax alone.  The MAJORITY of people on assistance stay on it for only a short period of time, and then, thanks to that assistance, are able to get back to work, and back to contributing to society, and paying back in to the system.  You aren't paying for other people, you're paying for yourself in case something happens.

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His speaking abilities are just more of the media myth. Watch one of his speeches where he goes without the teleprompter.


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Then compare THAT to G.W. Bush WITH a teleprompter.


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19193232 - 11/26/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Here's the chart I was looking for.

America swings left. America swings right.



It was ever thus. Likely it will remain so. I'd suggest all of you who rejoice over what you consider the demise of the Republican party to remember that Americans are fickle.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2013/09/30/americans-are-more-conservative-than-they-have-been-in-decades/


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19193244 - 11/26/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Sale's tax:rolleyes:

Like people are going to go out one day and mob over something so trivial as sales tax...


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: Lynnch]
    #19193246 - 11/26/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
Actually, they are quite different. When a community bands together it's because they wish to do certain things willingly, whereas a government doesn't very often give a fuck what you or the community wants. You'll do it or face the consequences.



:facepalm: Except that we willingly banded together to create a representative government made up of individual people who very much give a fuck what the people who vote for them want.




What government is that? I'd like to see it. The ones I've seen do what they think will help increase the powers of government.

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His speaking abilities are just more of the media myth. Watch one of his speeches where he goes without the teleprompter.

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Then compare THAT to G.W. Bush WITH a teleprompter.




I don't need to misunderemember just what a poor public speaker GWB was. So what? How does that change what I said about Obama and his TOTUS?


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: Konyap]
    #19193250 - 11/26/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Illyabo said:
Sale's tax:rolleyes:

Like people are going to go out one day and mob over something so trivial as sales tax...




Have you been drinking?


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19193325 - 11/26/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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What government is that? I'd like to see it. The ones I've seen do what they think will help increase the powers of government.




That would be the essential disagreement I suppose. You see government increasing it's powers, I see government stepping in to solve problems where it can.

But heres the thing, the government doesn't just do things willynilly. We didn't raise an army because it sounded like fun to blow some shit up, and building a huge military industrial complex and a system to spy on our own systems would be neat; we raised an army because the japanese blew the fuck out of pearl harbor.
I don't support health care reform because, gee I sure like to see the government with more power; I support it because there are a ton of sick people not being given the care they need, and the government is the only body that has the power to affect change at the scale needed.


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: Lynnch]
    #19193342 - 11/26/13 05:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Jesus fuck, thats what I dislike about political threads. You leave for 2 hours and you come back to 100 replies.... How can I possibly catch up to the convo...


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: Lynnch]
    #19193359 - 11/26/13 06:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Mescalean said:
Why should society support someone who doesn't contribute like everyone else who works? Why should they get a free ride from me? Thank you



You're arguing a particularly nasty straw-man. The idea that anyone who needs support is lazy and looking for a free ride IS BULLSHIT. Most people who get government assistance DO work, but are for a MULTITUDE of reasons unable to make ends meet. Those people DO pay taxes, just like you, though most likely it is a much LARGER burden on them because of how little they make compared to what they pay, even in sales tax alone.  The MAJORITY of people on assistance stay on it for only a short period of time, and then, thanks to that assistance, are able to get back to work, and back to contributing to society, and paying back in to the system.  You aren't paying for other people, you're paying for yourself in case something happens.




:congrats:


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: Lynnch]
    #19193361 - 11/26/13 06:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

And yet, using healthcare as an example, they fucked millions of people who had healthcare. The system they chose has clearly demonstrated that big government is incapable of managing much of anything.

The more power given to them, the more they take beyond what people would want. You look to those who caused the problems to solve the problems.


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: Patlal]
    #19193363 - 11/26/13 06:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Jesus fuck, thats what I dislike about political threads. You leave for 2 hours and you come back to 100 replies.... How can I possibly catch up to the convo...




By reading.


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19193366 - 11/26/13 06:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
And yet, using healthcare as an example, they fucked millions of people who had healthcare. The system they chose has clearly demonstrated that big government is incapable of managing much of anything.

The more power given to them, the more they take beyond what people would want. You look to those who caused the problems to solve the problems.





They "fucked" millions of people with a shitty insurance policy.


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19193372 - 11/26/13 06:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ah yes, the current talking point.

Got any thoughts of your own?


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19193392 - 11/26/13 06:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Jesus fuck, thats what I dislike about political threads. You leave for 2 hours and you come back to 100 replies.... How can I possibly catch up to the convo...




By reading.




But I don't wanna :sad:


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