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OfflineThe Ecstatic
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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19192994 - 11/26/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Then they get older, learn more and become increasingly conservative.




Learn what exactly?

The more educated people tend to be liberals. Why is that? If conservatism was so full of merit shouldn't it take less than a lifetime  comprehend?

Conservatism is dying. The fact that it's most old, white, and rich people back that up.

It's like saying people get racist as they grow older because most racists are old people. No.


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
    #19192999 - 11/26/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Right. The cries that conservatism is dying have been around for decades, if not centuries.

Wake me if it happens.


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19193005 - 11/26/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The rest of the world is moving left, and the GOP is moving farther right.




You should read more. Conservative politics seem to be on the upswing in many countries.




Like what? The Golden Dawn party in Greece?

The richest nations in the world all employ socialism. Is that a coincidence? They all just lucked out even though the entire premise of the system is a failure?


Fact is, jobs ate disappearing and will continue to do so. This isn't the frontier anymore, and when the means of production fall into fewer and fewer hands, it's kinda hard to tell people to go out and produce. The world is too small for capitalism anymore.


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19193007 - 11/26/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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As opposed to forcing others to care for him... yes. If members of his community wish to band together to help him, then they are good humans. The government should not be making those decisions.



You are aware that that is all a government is right? Members of a community banding together to care for their people. The government is just a collection of people, there isn't anyone else to make those decisions.

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Then they get older, learn more and become increasingly conservative.



I've heard this repeated, but never demonstrated. My grandparents are getting up there in age and they're still liberal as fuck.


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19193009 - 11/26/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Right. The cries that conservatism is dying have been around for decades, if not centuries.

Wake me if it happens.




Considering were basically the only (semi) functional capitalist economy going, I'd say go ahead and wake up.


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #19193011 - 11/26/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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P.S. Ayn Rand, in her later years, was on Social Security and Medicare.




So what?



Well, it lends a little bit of support to the idea that many folks espousing libertarian values, only do so while they possess the means of self-support--and have few qualms to 'forced' socialism when they no longer can stand on their own.

IE, that it is a selfish position centered around the idea of not wanting to give what's mine to others, but only provisionally concerned with others giving what's theirs to me. (See Dick Cheney and his taxpayer funded heart.)


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19193017 - 11/26/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
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The Ecstatic said:
The rest of the world is moving left, and the GOP is moving farther right.




You should read more. Conservative politics seem to be on the upswing in many countries.




Like what? The Golden Dawn party in Greece?

The richest nations in the world all employ socialism. Is that a coincidence? They all just lucked out even though the entire premise of the system is a failure?


Fact is, jobs ate disappearing and will continue to do so. This isn't the frontier anymore, and when the means of production fall into fewer and fewer hands, it's kinda hard to tell people to go out and produce. The world is too small for capitalism anymore.



just gotta wait till the rest of the world comes to get their debts repayed to them by force.


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
    #19193018 - 11/26/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I like to say that libertarian is just another way of saying selfish anarchist. :strokebeard2:


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19193028 - 11/26/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

People need to realize that they DO in fact owe something to society, and helping your neighbors (voluntarily or otherwise) inevitably benefits themself.

If you wanna fend for yourself go live in a cave, because that's the last time humans operated on an individual system of survival. Protip to all the social Darwinists: cooperation is a wildly successful evolutionary trait.


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: Patlal]
    #19193030 - 11/26/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Liberals are the #1 problem. If we weren't such pc pussies we'd get shit done




IMO, liberals are the future of the US. I don't know why so many people use the word liberal as an insult



It is a synonym for retarded bum.


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: Patlal]
    #19193033 - 11/26/13 05:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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sounds more like you just support a bunch of free loading




I prefer to use the word, helping out my fellow citizen in need



With other people's money.  How wonderful of you.


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19193039 - 11/26/13 05:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
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The Ecstatic said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
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The Ecstatic said:
The rest of the world is moving left, and the GOP is moving farther right.




You should read more. Conservative politics seem to be on the upswing in many countries.




Like what? The Golden Dawn party in Greece?

The richest nations in the world all employ socialism. Is that a coincidence? They all just lucked out even though the entire premise of the system is a failure?


Fact is, jobs ate disappearing and will continue to do so. This isn't the frontier anymore, and when the means of production fall into fewer and fewer hands, it's kinda hard to tell people to go out and produce. The world is too small for capitalism anymore.



just gotta wait till the rest of the world comes to get their debts repayed to them by force.




Yeah right.

If you're hinting at China, theyd much rather have us as a trade partner than a war adversary, regardless the cost.


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #19193043 - 11/26/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

All right zappa showed up with feces in hand so I'm out..

Good luck guys.


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: Patlal]
    #19193048 - 11/26/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So who here believes if I work my ass off to make a decent living, made sacrifices, went to school. That I should pay more taxes than joe shmoe who made zero effort in life working at kfc.




I do, you can afford it. You did well, now give back. That's what I mentioned earlier. A culture of selfishness and greed



Who is greedier?  The person who wants to keep what he earned or the lazy useless sack of shit who never did anything of value but demands to be supported?


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: Lynnch]
    #19193049 - 11/26/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Lynnch said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
As opposed to forcing others to care for him... yes. If members of his community wish to band together to help him, then they are good humans. The government should not be making those decisions.



You are aware that that is all a government is right? Members of a community banding together to care for their people. The government is just a collection of people, there isn't anyone else to make those decisions.

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luvdemshrooms said:
Then they get older, learn more and become increasingly conservative.



I've heard this repeated, but never demonstrated. My grandparents are getting up there in age and they're still liberal as fuck.




Actually, they are quite different. When a community bands together it's because they wish to do certain things willingly, whereas a government doesn't very often give a fuck what you or the community wants. You'll do it or face the consequences.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19193052 - 11/26/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/opinion/sunday/the-great-gerrymander-of-2012.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0
"Third, gerrymandering is a major form of disenfranchisement. In the seven states where Republicans redrew the districts, 16.7 million votes were cast for Republicans and 16.4 million votes were cast for Democrats. This elected 73 Republicans and 34 Democrats."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate

"Each U.S. state is represented by two senators, regardless of population, who serve staggered six-year terms. "


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: Konyap]
    #19193058 - 11/26/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Illyabo said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/opinion/sunday/the-great-gerrymander-of-2012.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0
"Third, gerrymandering is a major form of disenfranchisement. In the seven states where Republicans redrew the districts, 16.7 million votes were cast for Republicans and 16.4 million votes were cast for Democrats. This elected 73 Republicans and 34 Democrats."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate

"Each U.S. state is represented by two senators, regardless of population, who serve staggered six-year terms. "



How does this belong here?


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19193080 - 11/26/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah right.

If you're hinting at China, theyd much rather have us as a trade partner than a war adversary, regardless the cost.



i was just giving an example of waht it would take for anyone to change their minds.


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: Konyap]
    #19193081 - 11/26/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:laugh2::laugh2:

Dems do just as much, if not more, gerrymandering than the Republicans do. Both do it. Neither should. This time around it just happened to be in a year that favored Republicans. Like everything else political, the winds will shift and you'll find the Republicans whining about the Democrats gerrymandering.

Look up Illinois 4th District for a perfect example.



The only thing that changes is which party is currently whining.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: Is the Republican party turning into a joke/rapidly losing popularity? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19193107 - 11/26/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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Patlal said:
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Mescalean said:
So who here believes if I work my ass off to make a decent living, made sacrifices, went to school. That I should pay more taxes than joe shmoe who made zero effort in life working at kfc.




I do, you can afford it. You did well, now give back. That's what I mentioned earlier. A culture of selfishness and greed



Who is greedier?  The person who wants to keep what he earned or the lazy useless sack of shit who never did anything of value but demands to be supported?




Why should society support someone who doesn't contribute like everyone else who works? Why should they get a free ride from me? Thank you


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