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Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville
    #19191041 - 11/26/13 09:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville
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tattoo-parlorA Bridgewater man has been charged with receiving a FedEx package containing LSD at a Manville tattoo parlor on Thursday, court documents state. In this June 2007 file photo, a tattoo artist inscribes portraits of two pug dogs onto a woman's arm.AP Photo/Kathy Willens

MANVILLE — A Bridgewater man has been accused of receiving a FedEx package containing LSD at a tattoo parlor in Manville on Thursday, court documents state.

Members of the Somerset County Prosecutor’s Office Organized Crime and Narcotics Task Force had received information that a package containing an unknown narcotic would be delivered to David Zecca, 30, at the business, according to an affidavit filed in Superior Court in Somerville.

Task force members set up surveillance of the exterior and the interior of Flash Tattoo, located at 212 S. Main St., in Manville, the affidavit states.

Soon after, a FedEx courier delivered the package and Zecca signed to accept it, the affidavit states. Task force members then identified themselves to Zecca and told him about the ongoing narcotics investigation, but he refused to allow them to search the package, the affidavit states.

A police dog from Scotch Plains later detected the presence of a controlled dangerous substance in the parcel, the affidavit states. After executing a search warrant for the package, authorities found more than 100 milligrams of Lysergic Acid Diethylamide, or LSD, the affidavit states.

Zecca was charged with possession of LSD with intent to distribute. He was sent to Somerset County Jail in lieu of $75,000 bail.


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Very odd story Bill. Businesses receive packages all the time, do drug dogs really sniff LSD, I am pretty sure if I were at a business and signed for a delivery and the cops swooped in shouting Gotcha I would not allow them to search the package or premises without a warrant either.

Not to start a conspiracy but it all sounds too convenient, anonymous tip, unknown narcotic, knew when the "package" would arrive?



I couldn't agree more. This guy wins patsy of the year award. Someone framed like a picture and its obvious the dog did not actually smell the LSD. This guy is actually an innocent sucker so far as I can tell.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19191063 - 11/26/13 09:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

This reads like some one taking some watered down lucy and setting up some one they don't like to take a big fall.....


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19191084 - 11/26/13 09:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It's possible to train a dog to scent for LSD--heck, they have dogs that can scent for cancerous cells, so it shouldn't be too surprising that they can scent off on LSD molecules as well.

I don't think it will be as common to encounter as pot/coke/dope smelling dogs--the amount of LSD required to catch a scent would probably also be enough to dose the dog--but they now make a pseudo LSD that matches the scent of actual LSD, to assist in training of dogs.

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Sigma-Aldrich Pseudo Narcotic Scent
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Product No. P1334

SIGMA PSEUDO LSD FORMULATION is a canine training aid which can be used in training situations where the handling of potentially toxic, controlled substances would be inappropriate, such as initial training of a new dog or when train rig or demonstrating in front of large crowds. PSEUDO LSD is designed to mimic the odor of illicit lyserglic acid diethylamide (LSD). SIGMA PSEUDO LSD, like all SIGMA PSEUDO- products, is field tested and proven to provide the same canine response as authentic LSD, without the hazards.



http://leerburg.com/lsdform.htm

I too feel that this set up seems fishy, and we all know drug dogs have been used to false-positive more than once--but on the question of whether a dog actually could sniff out LSD, the answer is yes.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19191160 - 11/26/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

100 milligrams, I wonder if that was crystal or they just weighed a sheet or something.

Poor fellow. :sad:

Then again, perhaps he'd done something horrible to deserve being set up like that. Or maybe not.

I'd like to imagine that the kind of people who work with crystal are good people but who knows what happened.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19191170 - 11/26/13 10:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

This is very suspect. It's highly unlikely that there are many (if any) dogs trained to sniff out LSD, and the odds of the police just happening to have the rare dog that is on hand. Also, it would seem highly probable that anything sent through the mail would be vacuum sealed. This reeks of horseshit. The cops probably gave some signal to the dog that in turn made it give them the signal that it had detected something.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19191182 - 11/26/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Bullshit! That dog did not smell LSD! Even if dogs can be trained to sniff out LSD by using a "LSD smell alike" (which I highly doubt) chances are that whatever was in that package was NOT real LSD.

The chances of someone looking for real LSD rarely ends with them getting real LSD. There are so many other chemicals out there designed to "mimic" the effects of LSD that are also much easier to obtain and in some cases, completely legal. I highly doubt all these, many upon many chemicals out there that are designed to "mimic" the effects of LSD, have a similar odor to LSD.

The only thing being smelled here, is a set up of some degree!


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: isic]
    #19191201 - 11/26/13 10:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

it might of not sniffed out the lsd but the guy that sent the package just got done smoking some heady nugs......the nugs left an odor on his hands which got left on the lsd.....:awethumb:


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19191250 - 11/26/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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100 milligrams, I wonder if that was crystal or they just weighed a sheet or something.

Poor fellow. :sad:

Then again, perhaps he'd done something horrible to deserve being set up like that. Or maybe not.

I'd like to imagine that the kind of people who work with crystal are good people but who knows what happened.




sad to see confiscated crystal :frown:


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: jboredone]
    #19191257 - 11/26/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That's quite frightening actually condsidering I have just recieved 4 hits of LSD in the mail. Then I realized that he had 100 MILLIGRAMS. What is that, 100,000ug? Then, also, with the reminder that it would "randomly" be known to be arriving... Something is up here.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: Atrium]
    #19191275 - 11/26/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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That's quite frightening actually condsidering I have just recieved 4 hits of LSD in the mail. Then I realized that he had 100 MILLIGRAMS. What is that, 100,000ug? Then, also, with the reminder that it would "randomly" be known to be arriving... Something is up here.




Don't be frightened. This surely has nothing to do with tracking actual LSD orders - especially of such small quantities like 4 tabs. It has to be a set up; that's the only way they could be so prepared to intercept the package.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: trampis]
    #19191303 - 11/26/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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It's highly unlikely that there are many (if any) dogs trained to sniff out LSD, and the odds of the police just happening to have the rare dog that is on hand.




The shop is in Manville. The dog came from Scotch Plains.

They didn't have a "rare" dog on hand. They had to borrow one from another set of cops that are 16 miles away. 16 miles on Rt22 in NJ is probably a good 30 minutes each way.

From the article:

"A police dog from Scotch Plains later detected the presence of a controlled dangerous substance in the parcel, the affidavit states."


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19191344 - 11/26/13 10:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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"A police dog from Scotch Plains later detected the presence of a controlled dangerous substance in the parcel, the affidavit states."




:aweshit:

I really don't think that a dog can be trained to detect LSD. If they had get a dog from somewhere else after they had already confiscated the package, wouldn't it make hundreds of times more sense just to do a chemical analysis on the substance, instead of asking a dog to follow his nose?


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: mylfgur]
    #19191383 - 11/26/13 10:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know if dogs can or not. I seen it argued both ways. If a dog can be trained to smell explosives, why can't they be trained to smell LSD?

However, a reading of the article shows they used the dog to obtain the warrant. They can't open the package without a warrant. Had they opened the package and done a chemical analysis of the substance without the warrant, likely it'd have been tossed in court.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19191407 - 11/26/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I call bullshit


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: ro-deez]
    #19191410 - 11/26/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Of course you do.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19191463 - 11/26/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Even if dogs could sniff LSD, the likelihood of there being such a dog so readily available nearby is quite slim to none. Typically they are only trained to smell marijuana, cocaine, heroin, meth, and cash. Anything else will require a specialty dog - more training - more $$$. Having a dog to detect LSD in an area where LSD is uncommon wouldn't make sense, even the cops know that would be a waste of time, training and money. We are also talking about an area that passes for "rural" by New Jersey's standards...


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19191469 - 11/26/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't know if dogs can or not. I seen it argued both ways. If a dog can be trained to smell explosives, why can't they be trained to smell LSD?

However, a reading of the article shows they used the dog to obtain the warrant. They can't open the package without a warrant. Had they opened the package and done a chemical analysis of the substance without the warrant, likely it'd have been tossed in court.



Yeah, it's easier enough to train a dog to give the signal, or to just say that the dog gave the signal, than it is to actually train a dog to sniff packaged LSD--which I'm still a bit skeptical if it can be done at all.

However, Sigma-Aldrich offers a "synthetic" LSD smell for use in training canines, found here. I do think that it may just be another product for the shelf, though, and not have much real use. They likely got this guy in a sting and pretty much knew what was in the package in the first place. There's probably not many dogs trained on the synthetic smell, and like I said earlier, much easier to just pretend like the dog smelled it. :shrug:

Interesting topic though, I've never heard about anything like this before.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: mylfgur]
    #19191496 - 11/26/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I really don't think that a dog can be trained to detect LSD.




LSD is odourless to humans, but not odourless in itself.

If you have an understanding of olfactory perception (the sense of smell), you will know that the process involves molecules binding to olfactory receptors--those molecules are generally light, volatile (easy to evaporate) chemicals that float through the air into your nose.

LSD fits this profile, and it is only do to lack of sensitivity on our part that we do not discern any scent. We would likely be tripping balls before the concentration reached high enough levels for us to become aware of the smell. But dogs? Scenthounds as a group smell somewhere between 1-10 million times more acutely than humans do. Bloodhounds have noses that work somewhere between 10-100 million times more effectively.

They have dogs that can smell cancerous cells. I repeat, they can differentiate between healthy cells and cancerous ones, using scent. Detecting a presence of LSD molecules in the air no longer seems like such a stretch.




end note: I'm aware drug dogs are used to give cops reasonable suspicion to preform a search, when no actual probable cause is there. I'm also aware that this story seems to be telling the tale of a setup. Put all that aside for now, and understand that it is possible for a dog to smell LSD.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19191508 - 11/26/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yea from what I understand each "skill" the dog has ups it's value. So pigs don't generally buy them with all possible skills, only those they feel they need. Granted there are probably dogs out there who can sniff out LSD. But why bother when the dog would almost never get a hit, waste of cash. Seems really odd to me that they would even have a dog with that skill available for something like that........

But it probably gets really frustrating when you raid a hippies house and can't find his stash. :lol:


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: D.M.T]
    #19191515 - 11/26/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Even if dogs could sniff LSD, the likelihood of there being such a dog so readily available nearby is quite slim to none. Typically they are only trained to smell marijuana, cocaine, heroin, meth, and cash. Anything else will require a specialty dog - more training - more $$$. Having a dog to detect LSD in an area where LSD is uncommon wouldn't make sense, even the cops know that would be a waste of time, training and money. We are also talking about an area that passes for "rural" by New Jersey's standards...




:facepalm:

1. They had to travel to get the dog.
2. It doesn't matter what they are "typically" trained to do, only what this dog was trained to do.
3. I lived and worked in Manville. I went to school in Bridgewater. They are by no means rural.
4. When did cops ever worry about cost?
5. LSD is not hard to find in NJ.


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