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LittleDipster


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Bitter Cactus said: Weed causes anxiety man. Smoke weed then try and get your swag on.
I have a feeling that weed is one of the major culprits for social anxiety and anxiety disorders that a lot of people have on these forums.
it certainly doesn't help anxiety or any other mental illness. I was definitely prone to anxiety before I started smoking, though. It just makes it much more apparent and much harder to deal with.
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akira_akuma
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^ yay, exactly.
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psi said: My original posts in the thread related to the topic (OP quitting weed and feeling shitty.) It seems to have gone off on somewhat of a tangent since then. Why should I address points of yours that I've never argued against?
Regarding rudeness and name-calling, a lot (but not all) has been coming from you. The second post you quoted even starts out with you calling other users "shills."
shill isn't name-calling, it's a definition.
PS: your original post in this thread, was in response to post made by LittleDipster, which was in response to me. PPS: i said SHILLINESS... as in SILLINESS. way to take something and blow it of proportion, for yourself. i'm sure you didn't mean to, but ya did.
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Bitter Cactus said: Weed causes anxiety man. Smoke weed then try and get your swag on.
I have a feeling that weed is one of the major culprits for social anxiety and anxiety disorders that a lot of people have on these forums.
what is this called again? oh yeah, over-generalization.
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PS: thread: you can see from the OP that the OP is not feeling shitty because of not smoking weed... he's feeling shitty because without smoking weed, his dreams have become more vivid, leading him to have worse sleep WHICH makes him feel shitty.
another reason to point out... THAT IT ISN'T BECAUSE "WEED DID IT".
to which this was the response: Quote:
yeah its pretty common but a lot of people don't like to talk about it cause pot is the best thing ever and not addictive at all
this ^ has nothing to do with the OP. (OP did not mention addictiveness, nor was this post actually pointing to any commonality IN THE OP's POST.) this is a orthodox opinion, and should have been ignored.
but it wasn't... and hence. upon trying to correct these absurd accusations... an argument was born. one with which no one came to any reasonable conclusions... except with all the facts about how medicine works and all that. but lets just ignore that for bold-faced liturgy
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so i'm guessing no one in this thread can face the truth eh?
yeah, i thought so.
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LittleDipster


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maybe you could use a little reading comprehension?
OP stated his dreams were vivid so they were keeping him up all night AND his attitude was shitty. Meaning he was irritable. He wasn't saying that his lack of sleep caused his irritability.
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so this whole thing hinges on that for you eh?
what if i told you that following the inquiry, he immediately followed up by saying "The only other time I've had dreams like this was in jail which puts you in a shitty attitude any ways..."
he was clearly only referring to THE dreams he was having, and attributed this shitty feelings to that.
it seems you have to brush up on YOUR reading comprehension, because he was all-in-all referring to sleep, regardless if he meant to or not... that and the fact that he never specified that he was feeling shitty independent of his sleeping... so that would be an assumption on your part, dude...
dude... dude... does that help? if i say dude?
you can't add a modifier to suit your original and FAULTY assumption, when it simply isn't there to begin with. it's called a presupposition, and you should work on those; as should i? (oh no, i admitted i've made mistakes... is this the end of the argument? will nothing have been assessed in this thread? only time will tell)
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LittleDipster


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he was clearly only referring to THE dreams he was having, and attributed this shitty feelings to that.
Nope. I can see why that sentence is confusing though.
I believe he was stating that jail put him in a shitty attitude. The only other time he had dreams that vivid was when he was in jail.
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akira_akuma
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no, i believe ( ) that he said "it puts him in a shitty mood anyways" as a correlation to the fact that he said he got those kind of vivid dreams in prison, too; and that saying "it puts him in a shitty mood anyways", was his way of compounding the two situations as an inference to how he was feeling shitty because of his sleep.
although we'll never know because we are not the OP; and besides; it's a pointless argument, because it has nothing to do with what we are "debating" about.
in fact, in his post, he makes no mention of "addictiveness" and "addictiveness effecting him", which you settled on, so frivolously.
not one single mention of it.
but i digress. i should have limited my post to you to "all drugs have side effects, which are counter-indicated by the essential effects of the drug. you smoke weed and get tired, hungry and happy... you get off of weed, you get sleepless, grumpy, and a lack of appetite."
simple side effects, NOT a withdrawl.
a withdrawl is something MUCH different; and that was my main point.
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Not sure if its such a great idea to be entering this "debate", but anyway, I agree with Akira for the most part.
Have you ever done any research into the area of neuroscience? I'm no expert by any means, but I find the area of study very interesting. Neuroscientist are known for linking "mental disorders", to actual physical "problems" or "abnormalities" in the brain. I've noticed that there is this strange misconception that one can have a mental problem without a physical problem existing. This is not the case. All mental problems are a result of some physical abnormality within the brain, whether its related to neurotransmitter balances, or the actual physical formation of that section of the brain.
How does this relate to drug use? Well I noticed a while ago that there are a number of shroomery users who seem to be under the impression that a substance like shrooms can cause no physical problems but can cause certain mental problems. Again, this is not possible. Any change in ones mental state is a result of a physical change taking place within the brain. I've noticed that throughout this argument you keep using the word side effect. How are you personally defining the word side effect?
In regards to this discussion, as far as I'm aware, a side effect is a temporary or permanent change that occurs physically within an individual. You said there is no drug that causes permanent or lasting psychosis. If one was to abuse methamphetamine severely, it could potentially result in dopaminergic damage. This damage could then potentially manifest in a change in mental perception, i.e psychosis. But, nonetheless, the meth was simply a catalyst for the emergence of this "problem".
Now where this all gets complicated, in my opinion, is deciding on whether the drug was solely responsible for causing the problem or whether it simply acted as a catalyst. I'm curious to hear your opinion on this akira? Personally, I think in my situations the drug will act as a catalyst that causes an already existing brain abnormality to become "more apparent." But, I do also believe that a drug can be blamed for causing a shift in mental perception. In which case, I think it would be fair to say that the drug is to be blamed. Excessive stimulant use is known for causing psychotic behavior, the individual may not be predisposed to this sort of behavior, the drug could literally cause a physical change to take place within the brain that causes the individual to act differently. As I said, the drug is to blame.
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yah, good point. i didn't included Stimulants in my criteria. i was mainly referring to Psychedelics, but you are absolutely right. down regulation of the Dopamine receptors can be lasting and quite damaging.
also, on the debate, Marijuana's apparent "shrinkage" of the frontal lobe in males having smoked for over decades (i forget the exact number of years now, but the data is out there, and remember it's through EXTENSIVE use for A LONG TIME; as in three joints a day for thirty years, hypothetically speaking); this would be an excellent example of permanent changes in the physiology of the subject, from using Marijuana.
but it's proven that this only happens with EXTREME use, and may as well be attributed to your frontal lobes "homeostasis", so to speak; although, i am not aware of what exact functions cause the shrinkage; only that this effect happens over the course of extensive use for decades.
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I'm sure you're just not looking hard enough, son. Unless you're trying to say you've literally verbally asked every single person in your area.
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akira_akuma said: PS: thread: you can see from the OP that the OP is not feeling shitty because of not smoking weed... he's feeling shitty because without smoking weed, his dreams have become more vivid, leading him to have worse sleep WHICH makes him feel shitty.
another reason to point out... THAT IT ISN'T BECAUSE "WEED DID IT".
to which this was the response: Quote:
yeah its pretty common but a lot of people don't like to talk about it cause pot is the best thing ever and not addictive at all
this ^ has nothing to do with the OP. (OP did not mention addictiveness, nor was this post actually pointing to any commonality IN THE OP's POST.) this is a orthodox opinion, and should have been ignored.
but it wasn't... and hence. upon trying to correct these absurd accusations... an argument was born. one with which no one came to any reasonable conclusions... except with all the facts about how medicine works and all that. but lets just ignore that for bold-faced liturgy
Poor sleep is one symptom of withdrawal from cannabis as it has been described. Not everyone agrees with this characterization, but enough experts do agree for it to be included in the newest edition of the DSM (DSM-5). Caffeine withdrawal was included for the first time as well.
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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: psi]
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2 weeks? Try 3 years.
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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: Eggtimer]
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3 years of what?
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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: psi]
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honestly just ask around, it's only weed no one cares and they'll probably try to help as long as they're/you're cool
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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: akira_akuma] 5
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akira_akuma said: so i'm guessing no one in this thread can face the truth eh?
yeah, i thought so.
No, it's probably the fact that no one wants to argue with someone acting like an angry chimpanzee.
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Bitter Cactus said: Weed causes anxiety man. Smoke weed then try and get your swag on.
I have a feeling that weed is one of the major culprits for social anxiety and anxiety disorders that a lot of people have on these forums.
i know some people that weed has powerful anti-anxiety effects on. and there's a lot of people on here that claim the same thing. Not everyone reacts the same to it
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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: Everlong]
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Everlong said:
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akira_akuma said: so i'm guessing no one in this thread can face the truth eh?
yeah, i thought so.
No, it's probably the fact that no one wants to argue with someone acting like an angry chimpanzee.
Or someone blatantly in a serious MJ addiction
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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: dontknow]
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I was smoking weed all day everyday for a decade and quit cold turkey and have zero withdrawals of any kind .
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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: Moonshoe]
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psi said:
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akira_akuma said: PS: thread: you can see from the OP that the OP is not feeling shitty because of not smoking weed... he's feeling shitty because without smoking weed, his dreams have become more vivid, leading him to have worse sleep WHICH makes him feel shitty.
another reason to point out... THAT IT ISN'T BECAUSE "WEED DID IT".
to which this was the response: Quote:
yeah its pretty common but a lot of people don't like to talk about it cause pot is the best thing ever and not addictive at all
this ^ has nothing to do with the OP. (OP did not mention addictiveness, nor was this post actually pointing to any commonality IN THE OP's POST.) this is a orthodox opinion, and should have been ignored.
but it wasn't... and hence. upon trying to correct these absurd accusations... an argument was born. one with which no one came to any reasonable conclusions... except with all the facts about how medicine works and all that. but lets just ignore that for bold-faced liturgy
Poor sleep is one symptom of withdrawal from cannabis as it has been described. Not everyone agrees with this characterization, but enough experts do agree for it to be included in the newest edition of the DSM (DSM-5). Caffeine withdrawal was included for the first time as well.
poor sleep on account of more vivid dreams are a usually withdrawal effect of quitting most drugs, and is a common side effect of alot of drugs, as well.
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akira_akuma said: so i'm guessing no one in this thread can face the truth eh?
yeah, i thought so.
No, it's probably the fact that no one wants to argue with someone acting like an angry chimpanzee.
nah, it's probably because you don't have any reasonable conclusion or insinuation based on the topic; so you'd rather personalize the issue based on my demeanor; which is solely based in words... no acting or monkey madness here, not that you'd be able to tell anyways. i'm very expressive when i'm typing. besides, if you were to ignore the posts with me raving and being an asshole, and looked at my "more calm" posts, you'd see i have an air tight argument. you can resort to those posts if you wanna leave a message, otherwise, you're just kinda trying to "mark your territory", and not making any valuable assertions at all. leaves you in a worse off position then i am; at least i made some solid points and could debate them rationally... at least, that is, after i stopped telling everyone to fuck off, so to speak. that was my fault, and i apologize... for the fact is that many stupid things were said on both sides of the argument. (such as marijuana "causes medical disorders; boy that on was a doozy)
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Moonshoe said: I was smoking weed all day everyday for a decade and quit cold turkey and have zero withdrawals of any kind .
this happens alot, but people would probably rather tell you that you're somehow mistaken in your own assessment of your body.
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unknown1123 said:
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Everlong said:
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akira_akuma said: so i'm guessing no one in this thread can face the truth eh?
yeah, i thought so.
No, it's probably the fact that no one wants to argue with someone acting like an angry chimpanzee.
Or someone blatantly in a serious MJ addiction 
i said in this thread already that i don't smoke Marijuana all the time, and haven't smoked in over two weeks now. you're mistaken.
Edited by akira_akuma (11/26/13 02:15 PM)
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