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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: D.M.T]
    #19198838 - 11/27/13 11:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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By the way the dog that sniffed this package is named Ollie if anyone knows how to look up his certifications. I do not.


I doubt his cert is public record, but:

http://scotchplainspolice.org/page6/page6.html

The dog is apparently also trained to detect explosives.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: Enlil]
    #19199381 - 11/28/13 05:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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People in this thread are thinking way too much like drug users and not enough like cops.

Obviously, most drug dogs aren't trained to sniff LSD, but they certainly can be.  Is an inner city police agency going to get drugs for that purpose?  Probably not.  They don't see much LSD.

NJ, however, has MANY municipalities each with its own police force.  Those police forces answer to city councils.  All it takes for that police force to have an LSD sniffing dog is for someone to have a kid that took something that they THINK is LSD...POOF!  The next dog they buy will have LSD certification.

It doesn't even take that.  It just takes one news story mentioning LSD, the most dangerous drug in the world, being found within 200 miles...

Never underestimate the willingness of people to spend other people's money.

As far as whether this search is going to hold up...that's going to depend on many factors, most of which are not mentioned in the article.




But Enlil... the probability...

:lol:

I'm not sure they were thinking like drug users. My theory is they weren't thinking and have little knowledge of the subject they were ranting about. That would include drug dogs, cops and NJ.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19200495 - 11/28/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't care if dogs can or can't sniff LSD. (I sure as hell am not gonna believe what the cops or the people who train these dogs for the cops, say on this matter) I would be willing to bet, no matter what the reason, that dog DID NOT smell LSD.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: isic]
    #19200686 - 11/28/13 12:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Then you must be willing to hear luvdemshrooms say 'Na na na boo boo you can't prove it!' while offering no real input of his own. :shrug:


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: D.M.T]
    #19200779 - 11/28/13 01:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I won't go through all the pages but I wonder if a lawyer could get him off if they found the dog was not trained to detect LSD.
I want to say I have read where they are usually trained to smell only a few things and trying to train them for everything would be cost prohibitive.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: 4runner]
    #19200842 - 11/28/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Wouldn't matter. The dog alert creates probable cause even if it's wrong.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: 4runner]
    #19200859 - 11/28/13 01:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I won't go through all the pages but I wonder if a lawyer could get him off if they found the dog was not trained to detect LSD.
I want to say I have read where they are usually trained to smell only a few things and trying to train them for everything would be cost prohibitive.




When have government agencies been concerned by cost? They're spending your money.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19200965 - 11/28/13 01:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Wouldn't matter. The dog alert creates probable cause even if it's wrong.




Dammit, that sucks.

I guess it's the same as a cop at the front door of a party saying, I smell marijuana, I am coming in.
Oh sorry, that was just the incense burning but damn if 20 underage kids where not drinking.
Or something like that.

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I won't go through all the pages but I wonder if a lawyer could get him off if they found the dog was not trained to detect LSD.
I want to say I have read where they are usually trained to smell only a few things and trying to train them for everything would be cost prohibitive.




When have government agencies been concerned by cost? They're spending your money.




It varies, but yeah law enforcement, gotta save them kids. I do think there is something to that though. The training takes time, and I am sure LSD and other random RC's are low priority. I think it's similar to the drug testing scenario, even a 10 panel drug test doesn't cover LSD, or any similar drugs. It's more than likely the high priority drugs that are being trafficked as well as the smell of money.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: 4runner]
    #19201014 - 11/28/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

More likely doesn't mean much when we're talking about the cops spending your money. Does that mean they all have LSD dogs? Hell no. Does that mean none do? Hell no. If they had to bring in a dog it seems clear they don't all have LSD dogs.

While you can clearly think and reason, it's in short supply from others in this thread. Those fools should ask the guy who was arrested if he thinks, knows or cares about LSD dogs being rare. All that matters to him is that ONE.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #19201043 - 11/28/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I find it curious the United States Customs doesn't utilize LSD-sniffing dogs like the Scotch Plains Police Department does. Traveling to and from Costa Rica (both ways) I carried several sheets of LSD cut into  strips and stuck in books as if they were book markers, and out of every dog I passed, not one ever alerted to me. Neither did they alert to the psilocybin mushroom honey jar I was carrying. I've never actually went to or from Costa Rica without carrying drugs of some kind and since I lived there for quite some time, that is quite a bit of travel where I was directly sniffed by dogs. as recently as 2012 at that.

Thats just one example I have of police dogs not being as efficient as you would like to believe. I was transporting 100 elbows of brick weed in the 90s and out of several checkpoints across I-10 they still didn't alert to me. On a bus in Costa Rica a dog stuck his nose literally right on my pocket where I was carrying approximately an OZ of some of the finest bud I've ever grown.

So how this police dog caught 100mg - roughly enough crystal to fit beneath my fingernail basically - is a mystery to me.

Refuse to believe all you like but police mishandling is the most likely culprit no matter how you want to look at it, if the substance is indeed even LSD.

My theory is that it isn't LSD and they only think it's LSD because of a false positive on a field test. Indoles are used in inks all the time so this is a very high possibility actually. Coming from someone who has worked in the industry for probably longer than many of the posters here. the graphics industry that is.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: D.M.T]
    #19201301 - 11/28/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Refuse to believe all you like...




I don't refuse to believe anything. I made no absolute claim. I merely pointed out the foolishness of the claims of several other posters in this thread.


So let's poke holes in your post.

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I find it curious the United States Customs doesn't utilize LSD-sniffing dogs like the Scotch Plains Police Department does.




So what? Is the US Customs Service mandated to use the same tools as the Scotch Plains police?


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Traveling to and from Costa Rica (both ways) I carried several sheets of LSD cut into  strips and stuck in books as if they were book markers, and out of every dog I passed, not one ever alerted to me.




Wait. I thought LSD dogs are rare? Why would you expect there to be one at each port of entry?


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Thats just one example I have of police dogs not being as efficient as you would like to believe.




I made no claim as to their efficiency, or even that they can definitely smell LSD.


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So how this police dog caught 100mg




I don't know that it did, but if dogs can smell explosives there's no reason they can't smell LSD. Also, evidence was provided by others in this thread that they can indeed smell it.

Your reading comprehension and reasoning abilities need work.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19201348 - 11/28/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't see any holes poked anywhere actually. My comprehension of English is quite fine too. I even comprehend English so well I've taught the language on 3 continents.

Considering customs are the people keeping terrorists out of our country at the highest level, at the busiest airports in the United States, why would they have any less than a rinky-dink municipal police department in suburban New Jersey? 

If LSD dogs are rare the federal marshals at the airport are the ones going to be holding them. :rolleyes: Have you seen some of the gadgets they have? Interstate airport security is one thing but traveling internationally back into the United States is a whole different ball game post 9/11.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: D.M.T]
    #19201369 - 11/28/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Considering customs are the people keeping terrorists out of our country at the highest level, at the busiest airports in the United States, why would they have any less than a rinky-dink municipal police department in suburban New Jersey?




Rarely is it ever claimed that what the government does is makes sense, is logical, right or just. 


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If LSD dogs are rare the federal marshals at the airport are the ones going to be holding them.




Why? Is there a law that limits local police departments from spending their money on differently trained dogs?


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Have you seen some of the gadgets they have?




Yup. How does that stop a police department from having a LSD sniffing dog?


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Interstate airport security is one thing but traveling internationally back into the United States is a whole different ball game post 9/11.




Yup. So what. How does that prevent Scotch Plains from spending their money on a LSD sniffing dog?


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: D.M.T]
    #19201370 - 11/28/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Why would they want lsd sniffing dogs to stop terrorists?


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: Enlil]
    #19201386 - 11/28/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Can you imagine the entirety of NYC tripping?

The horror!

That would require a shitload of drugs.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: Enlil]
    #19201389 - 11/28/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Drug smugglers are known as narcoterrorists - regardless of drug. Feds don't follow logic but they do follow drugs, and all drugs are narcotic regardless of their binding action. In fact this is the bulk of their work because of the lack of real terrorism in America. The dogs at the airports are most certainly trained to smell MDMA for example, while municipal police dogs don't typically make that distinction.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: D.M.T]
    #19201402 - 11/28/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't understand your point.  The scotch plains dog detects lsd.  All of the other shit you're saying is irrelevant dribble.  Have you any evidence that the dog isn't trained to detect lsd?


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: Enlil]
    #19201419 - 11/28/13 04:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It obviously is a set up, with the cameras and everyone in place and everything. Whether or not the dude is innocent is another story. It all seems terribly sketchy.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: Enlil]
    #19201430 - 11/28/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What do I need evidence for if I want to hold an opinion? Until you have proof this dog can detect LSD, I shall hold the opinion that it cannot. How come your so dead-set against that? You don't want people to have opinions based on probability, likelihood, and past experiences because of your short stature? What gives dude? I've weighed the facts and I've weighed the probability. this is how a hypothesis is formed via the scientific method.


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Re: Bridgewater man allegedly received FedEx package with LSD at tattoo parlor in Manville [Re: Enlil]
    #19201921 - 11/28/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't understand your point.  The scotch plains dog detects lsd.  All of the other shit you're saying is irrelevant dribble.  Have you any evidence that the dog isn't trained to detect lsd?




I sense a bit of hypocrisy with this. Are willing to put your reputation on the line to call your statement a fact? Or are you so naive to believe what you read from a link is indeed a fact?

I really think that there is no solid proof on either side to prove or disprove whether a dog can or is indeed "trained" to sniff LSD. The only fact is... is that we don't know if it's a fact either way.


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