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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: mylfgur]
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hidenseek1 said: dont ILLEGALLY obtain this book through a DOWNLOAD from a torrent site, because this rips OFF the authors. its akin to a PIRATE taking goods off a merchant ship, and heading to the BAY to bury his plunder.
 I'd never do something like that, it's illegal and immoral.
shit my quote sucked, i read a similar one off some website like a few months ago and it was 10X better , but i couldnt find it so i tried to make my own
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Mush4Brains said: Must be nice to have mommy and daddy put you through college.
You call me a leech for staying at my father's house, but your children getting undergrad and graduate school paid for aren't leeches?
Amazing.
No, they aren't. They are in school pursuing the riches they will need to support me in my dotage.
One is in law school at Boston Univ. The other is at Penn pursuing a PhD in math and Chem E and the third is at the Parson's School of Design. As far as I can tell you are just inhabiting your father's house. No job, no school, no prospects. At least the taxpayer, other than me, is not paying for my kids like you want them to do for you.
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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Envix]
#19186464 - 11/25/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Get a job.
i get paid 10$/hr and worked 57 hrs this week
co-worker got into a motorcycle accident and i had to fill in for him
also i finished my college degree while working 50 hours per week in the summer to save up enough money to move out of state
must be nice to live in your own fantasy world where facts are secondary to biased opinions and trigger happy judgement calls
Then pay for the book and stop whining.
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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Envix]
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Envix said: idk, i just feel like i should be able to buy a book without it costing more than a months worth of rent.
maybe i'm just accustomed to the internet where information is free and readily available, it makes me frustrated when i have to pay so much for some info to help me learn about stuff
just because its a "college text book" it makes it acceptable for it to be so ghastly expensive. well i say that's bullshit.
The academy has been fucking people over for years with their book prices but that is irrelevant.Quote:
i want to learn damnit! not show off some stupid shiny sports car.
I don't want to show it off. I want to fucking drive that bad boyQuote:
i dont care about money,
Then why are you whining about the cost of it?Quote:
i just need it to cut through the ridiculousness of modern society.
I have managed to cut through the ridiculousness of modern society quite well without that book.Quote:
staying alive while pursuing my dreams. that's all anyone can ever ask for.
Why do you think anybody should have a right to pursue their dreams at the expense of anybody else?Quote:
not everyone has the privilege to do both, and some not even the privilege for either. and i just think that is not acceptable in this day and age where we have space rockets and digital communication and robots and shit.
All things that you failed to participate in creating and thus failed to earn any share of the profitQuote:
and don't even get me started with "other people have it worse" bullcrap. BULLCRAP! just because the world is worse elsewhere does not make it excusable for things to continue being sub-par here.
Subpar? You live in the wealthiest most luxurious society in the history of the world. Subpar my ass.Quote:
do not use the egotistical balancing act of "we're better cuz they're worse off". don't use that game as an excuse for the nonsensical nature of certain monetary systems in society. the mao zedong rule over china does not justify a book costing 800 dollars. ya dig?
The only justification needed for the book costing $800 is that the creators are charging it even if they don't sell a single copy. You have no right to their creation.Quote:
chicken costs 2 dollars and 99 cents here per pound. that was an animal that was born and grown. it had a life. a shitty life. and then it was slaughtered and eaten. for 2 dollars and 99 cents per pound.
So?Quote:
you know how much cannabis costs per pound here? for a plant? you could probably guess well over a grand. for a plant! some sticky green flowers.
nonsense! don't you see??!!
If you don't like the cost of weed don't buy it. I recommend that very highly in your case.
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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: zappaisgod]
#19186727 - 11/25/13 12:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Envix said: idk, i just feel like i should be able to buy a book without it costing more than a months worth of rent.
maybe i'm just accustomed to the internet where information is free and readily available, it makes me frustrated when i have to pay so much for some info to help me learn about stuff
just because its a "college text book" it makes it acceptable for it to be so ghastly expensive. well i say that's bullshit.
The academy has been fucking people over for years with their book prices but that is irrelevant.
uhh, how is that irrelevant? that was the whole point of this thread. and then you came in here and derailed it. picking apart every little detail of semantics in everyone's posts and vehemently criticizing it. happy bday btw, zappa
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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: zappaisgod]
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$800? Is it a set of books or just one book. If it's just one book that's retarded. If it's a case of it being out of print and rARE then I guess it makes sense.
If not, it seems like the perfect way to have nobody read your work/book.
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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Envix]
#19187382 - 11/25/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Envix said:
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Envix said: idk, i just feel like i should be able to buy a book without it costing more than a months worth of rent.
maybe i'm just accustomed to the internet where information is free and readily available, it makes me frustrated when i have to pay so much for some info to help me learn about stuff
just because its a "college text book" it makes it acceptable for it to be so ghastly expensive. well i say that's bullshit.
The academy has been fucking people over for years with their book prices but that is irrelevant.
uhh, how is that irrelevant? that was the whole point of this thread. and then you came in here and derailed it. picking apart every little detail of semantics in everyone's posts and vehemently criticizing it. happy bday btw, zappa 
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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: zappaisgod]
#19187636 - 11/25/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: Must be nice to have mommy and daddy put you through college.
You call me a leech for staying at my father's house, but your children getting undergrad and graduate school paid for aren't leeches?
Amazing.
No, they aren't. They are in school pursuing the riches they will need to support me in my dotage.
One is in law school at Boston Univ. The other is at Penn pursuing a PhD in math and Chem E and the third is at the Parson's School of Design. As far as I can tell you are just inhabiting your father's house. No job, no school, no prospects. At least the taxpayer, other than me, is not paying for my kids like you want them to do for you.
I don't want/need any taxpayer money, once again. You always try to pull this shit, claiming I want taxpayer money. I pay taxes, both Federal and State, as I have told you many times before. But, really, it sure sounds like your children are leeching off of you.
Must be easy to study for school when mommy and daddy can pay so you don't have to work.
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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: zappaisgod]
#19188996 - 11/25/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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hey everybody, how about instead of arguing over trivial crap, why don't we put our noggins together to figure out ways to make education cheaper for our fellow children who are gifted a passion for learning (which is an extremely rare gem, this day and age).
most people pay loads of money to take a curriculum that gives them an "official certificate" with all their qualifications listed on it. then they spend 40 years of their life paying for that "privilege" to have learned and improved themselves, so that they may help improve society.
do you see the problem here? we have to pay money (earned by working menial corporate jobs usually) and waste time and energy (doing things we could just have robots do), in order to educate ourselves, in order to improve ourselves and the society we live in. most people don't have money, so they need to either "borrow money" or "take taxpayer money" in order to get an education, in order to have any chance at all at pursuing a career of any sort.
unless you are born into a rich family, this is the truth for the majority of people in america. wake up
this is how education in america should be: affordable education for ANYONE INTERESTED. completely government funded, teachers should be payed a shit load. especially highschool teachers. teenage youth and adolescence is the most critical and important time in human development for instilling an interest in pursuing an inquisitive lifestyle. a teacher with passion will produce students with passion much more consistently than a teacher with no passion, or passion that's been drained by a skimpy paycheck.
the majority of taxpayer money should go towards education (basically the military budget and the education budget should be flip-flopped. we have our priorities totally backwards). educating our youth and making education available for EVERYONE. everyone will contribute to education, and everyone will have the freedom to benefit. kinda like the internet, you can take a full semester of college or online college for like 40-100 bucks a month (depending on the curriculum). this would cover the teacher's expenses, and the teacher should be the only one profiting from the students anyway; not the "school system". cool idea, right?
so, the "tax-money" would go towards the campuses & online curriculum, and that faction would be completely charity-funded/"funded by the people". the people who actually wish to benefit from this educational system would pay a monthly fee to take a semester, and everything else from there on would be pretty much the same. the monthly fee would go to pay the teacher for their service of providing the curriculum, information, and study methods needed to pass.
and you can spend as much time as you want taking the semester. you can finish it in one month, or you can finish it in 8 months. you would just have to pay by the month, and however long it took you to complete it. this will make it incentive-based so students will push themselves to complete semesters at a consistent pace, as they will be charged by the month.
this is just one idea from one person. we can all generate ideas of our own, and this is the only way things will change
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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Envix]
#19189190 - 11/25/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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What did you goto school for again? Want to make it cheaper stop funding crap degree programs where when you get out you work retail. And have a mountain of debt to where you have to rely on public services.
Besides easy credit unions and private for profit colleges are also a big part of the problem.
We have a generation who thinks its the next Lou reed , the next hunter s Thomas the next Obama.
And when you don't get it you want the state to proved.
Where is your sense of pride sense of responsablity?
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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: trekie]
#19189268 - 11/25/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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my personal responsibility is in seeking and pursuing an education which should be openly available, and not restricted behind corridors of debt and slavery.
my responsibility for society is in educating myself, so that i may help contribute to improving society in a way that isn't working menial tasks that robots can do.
i am a human. i am meant to do human things, like learn, share, create. and express. this is what all humans are driven to do, these are fundamental human qualities that have been present in us for 40 thousand years. without them we are nothing more than machines, preforming meaningless tasks to do meaningless jobs.
so, we got ourselves in a situation where we've turned ourselves into machines. robots to uphold the system through regulation of habits and monetary constructs, strung together in place through the duty of people who get paid a pittance for preforming repetitious tasks like cogwheels in a clock.
these are jobs that CAN be and ARE being done by robots, so why do we still have people doing them? are there really people out there who are really capable of nothing more than a life of screwing bottle caps on bottles, or sweeping up floors? are people really born genetically predisposed to these shitty lifestyles? or do we create them with all the wacked-out systems we birth these poor souls into?
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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Envix]
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Good outlook on life Envix. Glad you're smart enough/not retarded to come up with such a beautiful answer.
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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Envix]
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Envix said: hey everybody, how about instead of arguing over trivial crap, why don't we put our noggins together to figure out ways to make education cheaper for our fellow children who are gifted a passion for learning (which is an extremely rare gem, this day and age).
most people pay loads of money to take a curriculum that gives them an "official certificate" with all their qualifications listed on it. then they spend 40 years of their life paying for that "privilege" to have learned and improved themselves, so that they may help improve society.
do you see the problem here? we have to pay money (earned by working menial corporate jobs usually) and waste time and energy (doing things we could just have robots do), in order to educate ourselves, in order to improve ourselves and the society we live in. most people don't have money, so they need to either "borrow money" or "take taxpayer money" in order to get an education, in order to have any chance at all at pursuing a career of any sort.
unless you are born into a rich family, this is the truth for the majority of people in america. wake up
this is how education in america should be: affordable education for ANYONE INTERESTED. completely government funded, teachers should be payed a shit load. especially highschool teachers. teenage youth and adolescence is the most critical and important time in human development for instilling an interest in pursuing an inquisitive lifestyle. a teacher with passion will produce students with passion much more consistently than a teacher with no passion, or passion that's been drained by a skimpy paycheck.
the majority of taxpayer money should go towards education (basically the military budget and the education budget should be flip-flopped. we have our priorities totally backwards). educating our youth and making education available for EVERYONE. everyone will contribute to education, and everyone will have the freedom to benefit. kinda like the internet, you can take a full semester of college or online college for like 40-100 bucks a month (depending on the curriculum). this would cover the teacher's expenses, and the teacher should be the only one profiting from the students anyway; not the "school system". cool idea, right?
so, the "tax-money" would go towards the campuses & online curriculum, and that faction would be completely charity-funded/"funded by the people". the people who actually wish to benefit from this educational system would pay a monthly fee to take a semester, and everything else from there on would be pretty much the same. the monthly fee would go to pay the teacher for their service of providing the curriculum, information, and study methods needed to pass.
and you can spend as much time as you want taking the semester. you can finish it in one month, or you can finish it in 8 months. you would just have to pay by the month, and however long it took you to complete it. this will make it incentive-based so students will push themselves to complete semesters at a consistent pace, as they will be charged by the month.
this is just one idea from one person. we can all generate ideas of our own, and this is the only way things will change
We already have too many educated people, we don't need anymore. There are only so many employment opportunities in a economy for highly educated people, graduating more educated people does not create economic prosperity.
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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: qman]
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qman, do you realize how ridiculous your statement is when you say "we don't need any more educated people?"
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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: qman]
#19189345 - 11/25/13 10:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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we don't need any more educated people? we have too many already? where the hell am i, is this the fucking dark ages?
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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: qman]
#19189358 - 11/25/13 10:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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We already have too many educated people, we don't need anymore. There are only so many employment opportunities in a economy for highly educated people, graduating more educated people does not create economic prosperity.
In our current system of monopolized, well, everything, that education is not normally put towards good use and its potential rarely recognized. This, as well as forcing people into menial or government-mandated pro-forma regulatory positions really puts a vice-grip on creativity and small innovative business.
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Mush4Brains said: qman, do you realize how ridiculous your statement is when you say "we don't need any more educated people?"
Why? If the economic opportunities do not support a overly educated workforce, why should everyone pursue higher education?
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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: qman]
#19189366 - 11/25/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just because you have a college education doesn't mean anything, q, if the economic opportunity isn't there for you, as a graduate, your critical thinking skills will allow you to find a decent paying job for the most part.
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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Envix]
#19189374 - 11/25/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Envix said: we don't need any more educated people? we have too many already? where the hell am i, is this the fucking dark ages?
We graduate 50% more law students every year than is needed, having more lawyers does not create more legal activity in the economy, that is a waste of money.
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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: qman]
#19189395 - 11/25/13 10:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Envix said: we don't need any more educated people? we have too many already? where the hell am i, is this the fucking dark ages?
We graduate 50% more law students every year than is needed, having more lawyers does not create more legal activity in the economy, that is a waste of money.
That's exactly the point about the pro forma regulatory nonsense jobs I mentioned that are mandatory but irrelevant.
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