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    #19189217 - 11/25/13 09:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

continued in http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19189683#19189683
"why do the weed tards never mention weed induces or can induce schizophrenic mindstates, causes depersonlization/ derealization, social anxiety, and a host of other mental disorders and withdrawl from using weed can lead to loss of appetite, sleeplessness, and irritability"

:rolleyes:

people on DRUG FORUM can't understand that all drugs have side effects, and that psychedelic drugs (especially) and otherwise, can cause PREDISPOSITIONS for other MEDICAL CONDITIONS to arise out of their use.

why do i even bother? my explanation of the 1: idiotic hypocrisy 2: the fact of drugs having side effects and 3: the fact of medical conditions being predisposed to occur in people with those conditions...

will simply go unheard, in lieu of retarded "in-fighting" and subjecting people to idiotic rhetoric about how THEY felt like they couldn't sleep or eat after smoking pot (DUH you get tired and hungry ON POT so AFTER POT you'd feel the opposite; it's called SIDE EFFECTS) or how they feel depressed, anxious or crazy on weed... BECAUSE YOU ALREADY ARE DEPRESSED, OR ANXIOUS, OR CRAZY!

can't you people get it through your skull?


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19189222 - 11/25/13 09:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: k00laid]
    #19189256 - 11/25/13 09:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

you take some thing (a hypothetical drug) that say... makes you anxiety-free and makes you hungry... when you take that drug in a regimented daily use... you get used to being hungry and feeling anxiety-free... now say you stop using this drug entirely... no matter what in waht universe in whatever time in history ever, no matter if this is science fiction, the writer is gonna get a block lobbed at his head; YOU'RE GONNA FEEL ANXIOUS AND HAVE LACK OF APPETITE. WHY?

because that's the SIDE EFFECTS of taking the drug that make you feel the opposite of those very things...

and what about madness, skitz, depersonalization...? THEY'RE MEDICAL CONDITIONS. NOT AN EFFECT OF THE DRUG.

you have anyone of those things, STOP TAKING THE DRUG; because you're already PREDISPOSED to having those ailments. it can't be put any fucking clearer.

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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
    #19189270 - 11/25/13 09:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think you know what you're trying to say, but I sure don't.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: fiddle]
    #19189273 - 11/25/13 09:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:horly: what do you know that i'm trying to say? tell me, i'm dying to know!


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19189309 - 11/25/13 10:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Any substance is bad for certain people. The majority of people can use and abuse marijuana without a hitch.
"social anxiety, loss of appetite, sleeplessness, and irritability"
These are all very short lived, and unless you're a stoner you probably won't experience loss of appetite, sleeplessness, or irritability.
None of these are potential hazards in the longterm. The point is: marijuana is extremely safe as far as adding substances to the body goes.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
    #19189357 - 11/25/13 10:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

akira_akuma said:
:horly: what do you know that i'm trying to say? tell me, i'm dying to know!




What? I don't know what you're trying to say.

Is that a riddle?


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: dontknow]
    #19189362 - 11/25/13 10:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

thank you.

now lets spread the word about Drug Side Effects and Latent Pre-Existing Medical Conditions so they can stop referring to these ideas as causation to bash, incite and rhetorically debate against Marijuana users.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19189436 - 11/25/13 10:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

lets all post about bumholes instead. :goatse:


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #19189441 - 11/25/13 10:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Do people really rail against weed on here?

Haven't really noticed, except for maybe some of the tweakers and dopeheads with the drug superiority complex.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19189469 - 11/25/13 10:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

it's the new in thing; see the "I Hate Marijuana" thread in Psychedelic Experience.

oh and the other marijuana thread in the Pub.

there is people that in their zeal, will constantly brign up and choose to deliberate about how "people here constantly tell others that Marijuana has no withdrawl and tell others that Marijuana doesn't cause Depersonalization, Schizophrenia and other mental disorders, when it does BRO"; when obviously no one says that Marijuana has "NO withdrawl" but that is has a "small set of side effects, that are barely harmful in the least" and that people who exhibit and express medical conditions such as Depersonalization and Schizophrenia, HAVE IT TO BEGIN WITH; because Marijuana (and other psychedelics like shrooms but lets not go there right?) can bring out these pre-existing medical conditions in people WHO HAVE THEM TO BEGIN WITH.

people see this arguement... think that it's all the rage, and think "hmm, i can appear smarter and edgy arguing for opposite!"


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19189536 - 11/25/13 10:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:chillpill:  :bouncysmoke:


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: everyman] * 7
    #19189548 - 11/25/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Akira is obviously going through marijuana withdrawals.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Everlong]
    #19189558 - 11/25/13 10:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

lols, to both of those posts. yes, i need to chill, and no i am not withdrawing; i've already withdrawn for a couple weeks now. :lol: but thanks for lightening the mood, i suppose.

this thread is still DEAD SERIOUS THOUGH. :crankey:


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19189583 - 11/25/13 10:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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and what about madness, skitz, depersonalization...? THEY'RE MEDICAL CONDITIONS. NOT AN EFFECT OF THE DRUG.

you have anyone of those things, STOP TAKING THE DRUG; because you're already PREDISPOSED to having those ailments. it can't be put any fucking clearer.

:zomgwtf: AHHHH



There's not exactly shitloads of people that have psychotic dispositions that would be triggered by weed, it happens but very rarely, hardly enough to make a public statement on a site where plenty of people LIVES have been saved by medical marijuana. Also if weed triggers these psychotic diseases then so do mushrooms, lsd or any other form of psychedelic for that matter so why not say "you have anyone of these things stop taking ALL FORMS OF PSYCHEDELICS" Don't blame it on the weed you misinformed instigator:smokerage:


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #19189598 - 11/25/13 10:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

are you fucking kidding me? :shrug: i'm talking about those people as morons, and saying that ... oh nevermind... i'm gonna go cry in my arms, if you can't see that i am saying waht you are saying and trying to get people to realize that when people say that those things are "weeds fault and stoners should be more honest and admit that those things are prevalent", that they are overexaterating and they are wrong about what constitutes a medical condition and what constitutes an "effect of weed"... or the difference between "withdrawl" and "side effects".

can't you read the fucking thread?  :pressure:


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: akira_akuma] * 6
    #19189612 - 11/25/13 11:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Your posts are kinda hard to follow. I wasn't sure what your angle was until you agreed with my post.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: dontknow]
    #19189619 - 11/25/13 11:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

it takes line by line reading. not shroomery's "assume the position of the poster by skimming through his/her post" reading.

you can't see that i've quoted what some people have said, and i was responding to that? :shrug: the first line in the OP is a quote, which i am directly responding to.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19189623 - 11/25/13 11:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ah I see, you didn't make it to clear but I see what you're saying I hate misinformed crap spuuers like that so I only skimmed it lol. I agree with your cause, continue.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
    #19189626 - 11/25/13 11:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If you are on a message board for drugs you are fucked.

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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19189629 - 11/25/13 11:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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it takes line by line reading. not shroomery's "assume the position of the poster by skimming through his/her post" reading.



:guiltyascharged:


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #19189634 - 11/25/13 11:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Ah I see, you didn't make it to clear but I see what you're saying I hate misinformed crap spuuers like that so I only skimmed it lol. I agree with your cause, continue.




misinformed crap spewers is who i am absolutely hating on right now. i fucking hate their misinformed crap... i hate their pedantic nature... i hate how they weasel in their opinions off-topic, de-railing threads into despondency... i hate their FACES.

Quote:

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If you are on a message board for drugs you are fucked.

:trollhide:



that is the dumbest position i've seen made on this threads purpose, yet... :lol: successful troll.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #19189642 - 11/25/13 11:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

if a braindead slobbering cow can get people to smoke weed then you shouldn't worry about these things


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #19189648 - 11/25/13 11:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i, myself, am well aware of the effects and side effects of every drug i take.
i am the exception, not the rule.

i am amazed how many users on here (and ppl in general) don't research something before taking it. :facepalm:

doesn't mean the drug or person is bad.

live and learn. live and let live.

let it go OP.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: broken]
    #19189665 - 11/25/13 11:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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i am amazed how many users on here (and ppl in general) don't research something before taking it. :facepalm:



Me too, my friend took molly from a random guy, not knowing anything about it. I was like :dudewtf: that's not smart.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Konyap]
    #19189667 - 11/25/13 11:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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if a braindead slobbering cow can get people to smoke weed then you shouldn't worry about these things



i don't care so much about people being misinformed (as they'll do waht they're gonna do anyways, and if they fuck up, it's on them)

i care more about idiots being told to stfu and stop being retarded when the facts that presented to them incur to their absolute wrongness, on any given situation. today, it's weed's effects "not being taken seriously enough by stoners".

Quote:

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i, myself, am well aware of the effects and side effects of every drug i take.
i am the exception, not the rule.

i am amazed how many users on here (and ppl in general) don't research something before taking it. :facepalm:

doesn't mean the drug or person is bad.

live and learn. live and let live.

let it go OP.



no, the people who are maybe misinformed aren't bad... the people who troll people about how misinformed they are, when they provide WRONG information themselves ARE however.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: dontknow] * 2
    #19189679 - 11/25/13 11:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

broken said:
i am amazed how many users on here (and ppl in general) don't research something before taking it. :facepalm:



Me too, my friend took molly from a random guy, not knowing anything about it. I was like :dudewtf: that's not smart.





i gave a dude 25i, told him to google and research it.
instead he just called me after he took it and started asking me questions.
dude, wtf?:crankey:


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19189681 - 11/25/13 11:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

then just start insulting that crap out of them like I do

they don't  understand the difference between success and insult so you have to get the gears going in their faggot brains


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Konyap]
    #19189687 - 11/25/13 11:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

broken said:
i gave a dude 25i, told him to google and research it.
instead he just called me after he took it and started asking me questions.
dude, wtf?:crankey:




LOL :facepalm:

Quote:

Illyabo said:
then just start insulting that crap out of them like I do

they don't  understand the difference between success and insult so you have to get the gears going in their faggot brains



bad advice, but thanks anyways. :lol:


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: k00laid]
    #19189887 - 11/26/13 12:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: hidenseek1]
    #19189893 - 11/26/13 12:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i'm gonna post the third page of the other thread, where  i am providing data, inquiry and telling people to ultimately stfu.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19189683#19189683


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19189922 - 11/26/13 12:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

the presuppositions of how medicine's work in the body, and how hard it is to explain how scientific analysis doesn't confirm the connection between Marijuana as a CAUSE for psychosis... confounds and vexes me. i am truly vexed.

aren't we mostly all drug users here? shouldn't everyone know this stuff, pertaining to their general interest in using drugs? OR AT LEAST in arguing about them...

i mean, how can this be? i am truly vexed beyond measure.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: JesusGoneRogue]
    #19190018 - 11/26/13 12:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

well, what do you think my point is, Jesus? can't have an opinion with out having prior knowledge first... even if it is wrong.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: JesusGoneRogue]
    #19190096 - 11/26/13 01:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

because of words on the internet? shouldn't all of us shroomerites be more worried about you? aren't you the dude with the "Mark of Cain" and you feel evil, and you can hardly decide if you wanna break someone's face in or not? :shrug:

i'm allowed to not be in a good mood, trying to explain a simple logical reasoning to a bunch of non-listening fuckos.


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    #19190132 - 11/26/13 01:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

yeah, well i ain't worried about you because of that. you always see me mad and shit? no. so don't act like this is so surprising. i can get mad. especially when people reduce my position to "oh he must just be high", and use that as argument for my nonchalance in the face of this curmudgeon-y anti-Marijuana sentiment.


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    #19190149 - 11/26/13 01:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

im one of these that keep smoking while i feel like ive gotten schizoprenicish, im confident ill be fine a couple months when i quit though lol.. i believe itj ust keeps you in a weak mindstate, most people would be fine after awhile given they fight for it.


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    #19190171 - 11/26/13 01:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

just so you know akira, this is the definition of shill.

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    #19190177 - 11/26/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

so i thought you were a shill? so? :shrug: i said shilliness. it was a joke. as in SILLINESS.

a single conjunctive verb should not make for such a masquerade of following the actual discussion or facts behind the debate. such as in that other thread.


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    #19190214 - 11/26/13 02:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

this is the pub. discussion = fruitless.

ignorance is bliss, i guess. :shrug:

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im one of these that keep smoking while i feel like ive gotten schizoprenicish, im confident ill be fine a couple months when i quit though lol.. i believe itj ust keeps you in a weak mindstate, most people would be fine after awhile given they fight for it.




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BECAUSE YOU ALREADY ARE DEPRESSED, OR ANXIOUS, OR CRAZY!




a person who feels they are schizophrenic, "believes" that the drug they smoke consistently "keeps them weak-minded".

:facepalm:

you are already of a weak mind because you might have schizophrenia, and are self medicating. seek professional help, and stop smoking weed. YOU.. ARE... THE... PROBLEM.


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    #19190245 - 11/26/13 02:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

OP, thanks for quoting me earlier. Just so you know the marijuana withdrawals, side effects as you like to call them (lol you are in denial bro) are probably still effecting you. I think we should be educating the public about the positive AND negative aspects of the drug which you avoid like the plague. Denial much? Anyways, the reason marijuana provokes the onset of potential mental disorders, that would have otherwise not necessarily been activated, is because of it's profound effect on the brain. THC is a strong chemical in of itself, and without being balanced with enough CBD, which has the antipsychotic effects it's no wonder users are being faced with these negative effects from using the drug. Ask any schizophrenic which drug is the worst for their disorder. They can handle most other drugs fine. The second weed is introduced into the equation it is a whole different subject. Their voices can get way louder almost immediately, hallucinations multiply, paranoia through the rough, anxiety spikes, panic attacks, isolation. The plant is not as tame as you would have though. Weed is a strong high for what you would expect. Marijuana psychosis is a real thing. I think just the way the drug works and effects the mind, whether or not your studies make the connection, is simply bad for anyone with any mental disorder.

The beautiful thing is OP, that most of the people that end up getting depersonalization, derealization, schizophrenia, HPPD, whatever from weed never knew they were predisposed to it before. I personally find that out of all the drugs I have taken weed is the worst for itching at these predispositions and makes quick work of bringing them to the surface. You are gonna post some bs argument but in the end it all comes down to the fact nobody knows if they are predisposed. I would rather give a schizophrenic some vicoden, xanax, maybe even molly, low dose psilocybin, kratom, caffeine, a lot of drug types over cannabinoids. Synthetic cannabinoids felt like a panic attack/ psychotic break in a powder for me so don't even get me started brother. It's just the "omg weed is our savior it can do no wrong everyone who hates it is brainwashed" thing is getting really old OP and it's time to face the facts.


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    #19190259 - 11/26/13 02:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i stopped reading your post because you seriously aren't getting it. (and saying i'm having weed effect me when i've been just fine without it for awhile, proves your assertion to be dead wrong, and just an assumption.)

Withdrawl is not SIDE EFFECTS. they are both DIFFERENT THINGS. you can't understand this concept, hence, you are not fit to be posting on this subject. though, you may carry on as you will, because you assume that you're correct.

i am going to attempt to explain what side effects mean, maybe you'll get it, if i just pound it into your head.

Side Effects. SIDE effect. A SIDE effect, is an effect COUNTER-INDICATED by the essential effects of the drug... a SIDE EFFECT, would include feeling a lack of appetite from having done a a drug that causes a rise in appetite, or having a grumpy demeanor, after taking a drug that makes you happy.

THESE are SIDE EFFECTS. (which you keep meandering over to)

A WITHDRAWL is NOT that. a WITHDRAWL is a major (or minor) incident upon ceasing a drug after prolonged use, which causes MEDICAL SYMPTOMS, such as Headache, Nausea, Fatigue, Sweats, Pain, ect... ect...

THAT IS A WITHDRAWL. stop getting them confused, do us both a favor.

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I personally find that out of all the drugs I have taken weed is the worst for itching at these predispositions and makes quick work of bringing them to the surface




i will address this as it leads to my main point.

you guys say that people WILL IN FACT become more predisposed to a medical disorder, BECAUSE you smoke weed.

I SAY, it's because take weed to lightly and underestimate it's effects on the psyche over time, especially if you are prone to believing that it could possibly "drive you" to having these conditions or disorders.

which is your point, right?

well, it's not AN EFFECT of weed, it's an effect YOU COERCE by making sustained changes to your brain chemistry, without taking heed of the possible dangers of constantly and consistently dosing yourself with drugs. it's YOUR irresponsibility that causes you to think that you're not already predisposed to mental illness, to begin with.

it's YOUR EFFECT. not the weeds.


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    #19190268 - 11/26/13 02:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Withdrawl is not SIDE EFFECTS




that's exactly what BC is trying to say when he says

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marijuana withdrawals, side effects as you like to call them




because you seem to be confusing the two.


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    #19190276 - 11/26/13 02:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

decreased appetite is a withdrawal symptom. Increased appetite is a side effect of weed. When people stop smoking they aren't as hungry.

This isn't that difficult.


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    #19190281 - 11/26/13 02:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

how in the flying fuck am i confusing the two. i just explained to you a million times what constitutes a "SIDE EFFECT" and what constitutes "A WITHDRAWL".

weed has tiniest effects on thinking, and physiology; so it'd be easy to assume that because you are GETTING SIDE EFFECTS, that you are going through WITHDRAWL FROM WEED.

a withdrawl from weed at the most, would be cravings, and irritability from said cravings. that's it. that's as far as Marijuna withdrawl goes. now MIX THAT with the THE SIDE EFFECTS, and you got a pretty shitty day and some confused people. though after that day... you might still be going through withdrawl, but if you stay OFF THE WEED, the SIDE EFFECTS from the weed will subside, and you will be left with nothing, but at the least, cravings.

it's a mental game, and the "stoner" lost... but that doesn't mean that you're going through withdrawl. :shrug: you can try a thousand different ways, and the conclusion will still be THE SAME.


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    #19190283 - 11/26/13 02:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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decreased appetite is a withdrawal symptom. Increased appetite is a side effect of weed. When people stop smoking they aren't as hungry.

This isn't that difficult.



no, that would be it's intended effect. the side effect is the lack of appetite, after it's intended effect, which is why it's called SIDE EFFECT. (you could argue that hunger is a side effect, as well, but it's it's intended effect as well.)

a withdrawl effect would be Vomitting, Diarrhea, Constipation, Nausea ect... that'd be a withdrawl effect from having lack of sufficient ability to counter-act these effects, from lack of a particular substance in your body.


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    #19190286 - 11/26/13 03:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:shrug:

weed intensifies my DP/DR by 100.
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    #19190288 - 11/26/13 03:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

that's because weed intensifies.


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    #19190291 - 11/26/13 03:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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(you could argue that it's hunger is a side effect, as well, but it's it's intended effect as well.)




yeah not everyone wants an increased appetite.

side effects last while you are on the drug, not after you stop. If you are getting effects from stopping a drug, that's called a withdrawal symptom.

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    #19190294 - 11/26/13 03:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

anyone ever smoke weed and NOT feel hungry after? well, that's because lack of appetite is a common SIDE EFFECT from smoking weed; also Nausea is a common SIDE EFFECT too, and is counter-indicated by the initial intended effect of smoking weed to make one hungry... that is why these things are called SIDE EFFECTS


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    #19190295 - 11/26/13 03:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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(you could argue that it's hunger is a side effect, as well, but it's it's intended effect as well.)




yeah not everyone wants an increased appetite.

side effects last while you are on the drug, not after you stop. If you are getting effects from stopping a drug, that's called a withdrawal symptom.

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Other symptoms reported by researchers include appetite change,






note: appetite CHANGE. not a complete lacking of appetite.

even the internet says you're wrong, what more proof do you need?

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_effects.shtml

note the after effects listing.


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    #19190296 - 11/26/13 03:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

a quick google search will give you the most common withdrawal symptoms for weed.

-Craving for Marijuana
-Mood Swings
-Sleep Disruption
- others include appetite change, weight loss, weight gain, digestion problems, cramps or nausea after eating.

these are all VERY MILD, but that isn't the point. They are still withdrawal symptoms


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    #19190301 - 11/26/13 03:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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and is counter-indicated by the initial intended effect of smoking weed to make on hungry... that is why these things are called SIDE EFFECTS




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    #19190303 - 11/26/13 03:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

and i've attested to at least four of those being SIDE EFFECTS; and being commonly confused as withdrawl symptoms; as when someone is going to go (or is going) through withdrawl, they are immediately ceasing the drug which causes said withdrawl. it's not like you stop, and then withdrawls come a week or month later. they happen immediately after ceasing prolonged use. withdrawls intermingle with the after effects and side effects of the drug.

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and is counter-indicated by the initial intended effect of smoking weed to make on hungry... that is why these things are called SIDE EFFECTS




:lol:



as i've said, you can call hunger a "side effect" but we all know (for medicinal use and recreational use) it is more commonly known as an INTENDED EFFECT of the drug.

it you want to use your argument, you can say all effects from drugs are side effects, which makes futile your point, right off the bat, anway. :shrug:


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    #19190307 - 11/26/13 03:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That's what I'm saying. Immediately after stopping weed there are common withdrawal symptoms, like the ones listed.  I'm not talking about the side effects. I can't get any more clear than this. You seem to just be really confused.


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    #19190312 - 11/26/13 03:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Here is the definition of side effects.

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    #19190319 - 11/26/13 03:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

We live in the age of information. There's no point dealing with these people, they are clearly irrational and close-minded, so why bother? You and millions of others know the truth, and that's fine. Don't let it get to you, maintain that weed-smoking stereotype :wink:


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    #19190322 - 11/26/13 03:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

it's not withdrawl :facepalm: it's an side effect.

read the Erowid link, (after effects last for up to a day; as in the DAY AFTER INGESTION) it shows that there are after effects to having smoked Marijuana, in which are included the apparent SIDE EFFECTS of Marijuana which can include (commonly) tiredness, lack of appetite or libido (can't forget that) ect ect...

as i've said, by your definition all of what any drug induces are "side effects"; which could be true; if we all didn't refer to the drugs common desirable effects as INTENDED EFFECTS.

again, you are the one who is confused. stop saying i am, when you're not able to comprehend what i am saying. i've comprehend what you're saying, now you return the favor. this is how debate works.


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    #19190329 - 11/26/13 03:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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We live in the age of information. There's no point dealing with these people, they are clearly irrational and close-minded, so why bother? You and millions of others know the truth, and that's fine. Don't let it get to you, maintain that weed-smoking stereotype :wink:



funny thing is, i betray the stereotype... i can function just fine "getting off" weed, and i do "get off weed" on a regular basis. which is why ad hominem attacks on me "being to stoned to tell, or just going through withdrawl" are completely not only unfounded but hysterically side tracking as well. :lol:


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    #19190339 - 11/26/13 03:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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it's not withdrawl :facepalm: it's an side effect.

read the Erowid link, it shows that there are after effects to having smoked Marijuana, in which are included the apparent SIDE EFFECTS of Marijuana which an include (commonly) tiredness, lack of appetite or libido (can't forget that) ect ect...

as i've said, by your definition ALL drugs induce are "side effects"; which could be true; if we all didn't refer to the drugs common desirable effects as INTENDED EFFECTS.

again, you are the one who is confused. stop saying i am, when you're not able to comprehend what i am saying. i've comprehend what you're saying, now you return the favor. this is how debate works.




yes those are side effects that happen when using weed. once again those same side effects can also happen after you've stopped suddenly, making them withdrawal symptoms. These withdrawal symptoms can last for a few days, making them not side effects of the drug, because you aren't using that drug any longer.

effects from stopping a drug are withdrawal symptoms.

undesirable effects while using a drug are side effects.

it doesn't matter if they are similar effects or the same. Most people have increased appetite then stop smoking and have a decreased appetite. that would make that a withdrawal symptom, not a " counter-indicated by the initial intended effect"

that isn't the way it works. I'm done with this pointless debate because you are just not getting it.


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    #19190372 - 11/26/13 03:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

they don't last for a few days; not unless you are heavy user, in with which you're used to and are pray to these SIDE EFFECTS; because it's what you generally experience on a day to day basis (being such a heavy user).

as i said, upon stopping the drug, you can have an occurrence of these after effects, long after the drugs initial effects have worn off; and because of that these after effects are easily confused for withdrawl symptoms.

any sort of withdrawl you're getting at, is simply because of your usual ability to "smoke to induce the desired effects" being taken away... you experience the after effects (without taking the drug to reverse this) and they can be wildly similar to withdrawl, and easily confused with it. this is where you are getting confused, not me.

as i've said, Marijuana can have withdrawl effects, and they include some of the usual side effects experienced by the user, only stronger; because this is what the user is used to feeling without weed, from having used it so long and so much. but if the user is smoking weed one day, and then not the next, and he's not a habitual user; then he can experience these after effects, and conclude that he's in withdrawl; when that simply isn't the case.
you need to differentiate between what is a common after effect, and what is withdrawl; and the withdrawl (in Marijuana's case) is simply a stronger effect of the drugs SIDE EFFECTS; which are exemplified DURING withdrawl; because withdrawl happens immediately after ceasing long term use.
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    #19190392 - 11/26/13 04:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

anyways, another great miscomprehended fact, is that Marijuana CAUSES mental disorder.

it's been shown that there is no link between Marijuana's EFFECTS leading to mental disorder. there may be a physiological reason as to why there is an increased risk of developing psychosis or other similar disorders, but they haven't been proven yet; and may never be...

it's apparent though, that latent pre-existing disorders may be exacerbated by the use of Marijuana, which would indeed increase risk factors for people who use Marijuana; though this can be attributed to the possibility that the user(s) already had the pre-existing condition(s) to begin with; thus skewing any empirical data; which leads researchers to conclude that: there is an increased RISK to developing psychosis or other mental disorders with Cannabis use, ALTHOUGH there is no verifiable data to conclude a direct link to Cananbis use.


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    #19190395 - 11/26/13 04:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What's this withdrawal shit you guys are talking about with weed?

I've smoked virtually every single day for 15,16 years. Multiple times a day. I can take breaks for a week or two at a time and not have ANY negative withdrawal side effects?

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    #19190399 - 11/26/13 04:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

they think that because they get tired and hungry for a few days after they stop smoking, that they re experiencing "withdrawl".

apparently.

either that or the withdrawl is gonna sneak up on you if you stop smoking long enough!1 BEWARE!

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    #19190401 - 11/26/13 04:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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as i said, upon stopping the drug, you can have an occurrence of these after effects, long after the drugs initial effects have worn off; and because of that these after effects are easily confused for withdrawl symptoms.




I totally agree with you here.  The moment you cease a drug doesn't make everything that happens afterward a withdrawl symptom.  That would be crazy.

Also, I think the medical community likes to over-diagnose.  A few doctors just need to tell some of these kids "You were just way too high, bro.  You just can't handle teh pot"


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    #19190406 - 11/26/13 04:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

^ this

doctards over-diagnose, over-prescribing, over-scintillating their every opinion, like it's fact.

alot of people are taken to this degree of illogical thinking.

PS: plus i think LittleDipster was just arguing for the sake of Semantics, and not actually trying to get what i was saying. :archiebunker:

PPS: i stopped my House M.D. episode, and lo and behold, it was "Ignorance is Bliss" that i was watching before this instance of explaining over... and over... and over...








and over... and over again; what makes Marijuana so safe and so easy to over exaggerate.

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    #19190432 - 11/26/13 04:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:house:

It's not a coincidence.

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    #19190467 - 11/26/13 04:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i wonder if it's because of my immense diagnostic skills :naughty:


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    #19190478 - 11/26/13 04:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I personally find that out of all the drugs I have taken weed is the worst for itching at these predispositions and makes quick work of bringing them to the surface




i will address this as it leads to my main point.

you guys say that people WILL IN FACT become more predisposed to a medical disorder, BECAUSE you smoke weed.

I SAY, it's because take weed to lightly and underestimate it's effects on the psyche over time, especially if you are prone to believing that it could possibly "drive you" to having these conditions or disorders.

which is your point, right?

well, it's not AN EFFECT of weed, it's an effect YOU COERCE by making sustained changes to your brain chemistry, without taking heed of the possible dangers of constantly and consistently dosing yourself with drugs. it's YOUR irresponsibility that causes you to think that you're not already predisposed to mental illness, to begin with.

it's YOUR EFFECT. not the weeds.




^this is my hypothesis on why weed gets labelled as a drug that causes mental disorder. (beyond scientific findings overall, that is.)




and this...

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yes those are side effects that happen when using weed. once again those same side effects can also happen after you've stopped suddenly, making them withdrawal symptoms.




is a false dichotomy. this is one of the illogical pursuits that curtailed from this thread.

saying that side effects or after effects, stop being side effects and after effects and turn to withdrawl effects, because the user stops using weed is faulty logic. withdrawl symptoms can be not only exacerbated by the initial after effects of the drug, but can also "co-mingle", so to speak, with the initial after effects of the drug.

the initial effects of the drug do not simply "BECOME" withdrawl effects, because you've ceased the drug. they can't BECOME anything that they aren't already.

this is why we have definitions for words and lexicon of many different conjunctions, compounding words ect ect...

because we use words, to assimilate and divide the intentional meanings of each individual category of a logical inference.

PPS: to further push this point, i can say that "saying that an effect that occurs after the cessation of the drug is a withdrawl effect and i could CALL IT a WITHDRAWL EFFECT, and it could be true, and would be if it was under the definition of what constitutes a withdrawl effect from that particular drug. ALTHOUGH it doesn't make it true in all cases because not all effects after using a drug ARE WITHDRAWL EFFECTS.

language. it's complicated.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19190687 - 11/26/13 07:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I can't say that marijuana affected my life negatively(love my life and it's journey)...but it has enhanced my HPPD/depersonalization effects from a REALLY REALLY horrible LSA trip.

I Ate 15 seeds and they were so potent they made me feel in a dream like state for months...had to stop smoking and consuming drugs(MDMA) for a bit for the morphing/change of colors to stop appearing.

I feel better now though. I had some dart thoughts back then on life...I kept trying to rationalize my existence and its value.

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    #19190704 - 11/26/13 07:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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everbody's entitled to their own opinion. i'm honestly just worried about you.




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because of words on the internet?




words on the internet make me worried about a lot of people.


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    #19190713 - 11/26/13 07:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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PPS: to further push this point, i can say that "saying that an effect that occurs after the cessation of the drug is a withdrawl effect and i could CALL IT a WITHDRAWL EFFECT, and it could be true, and would be if it was under the definition of what constitutes a withdrawl effect from that particular drug. ALTHOUGH it doesn't make it true in all cases because not all effects after using a drug ARE WITHDRAWL EFFECTS.

language. it's complicated.




I was thinking that while reading this thread. Well not that exactly, but it's almost impossible to argue about this subject.  It's not at all black and white.  Even though biochemistry acts in generally the same way, the subtle differences between each individual's biochemistry makes a subject like this a whole lot of grey area.


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    #19190853 - 11/26/13 08:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

id like to add that i believe daily smokers dont notice negative effects due to the combination of cbd build up, and thc tolerance

i draw this conclusion from experience, when i smoked everyday i didnt really notice certain things till i stopped for a few months, then all of a sudden i hated weed, and havnt smoked it in years


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    #19192239 - 11/26/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

no one should be using a drug daily, unless it's for medicinal use.

simply put, it's a mistake that many people make, because every single solitary drug has negative effects, and people who use a drug daily for medication have to live with those negative effects; because the positive outweighs negative in this regard.

but if one is using not for medicinal purposes but for recreational purposes, but continuously uses, you're simply ASKING for problems.

not the drug's fault; but the persons fault

and in the case of Marijuana, it's easy to abuse because it's so easy to attain and so easy to take without losing your functionality in your day to day living... but any drug, even the "softer" drugs, get catch up with you to bite you in the ass; though with Marijuana, like Coffee, it's pretty damn easy to see your way through to NOT misusing or abusing the drug, because it's so lacking in addictive qualities and withdrawal effects, that it's barely an issue for MOST PEOPLE.

which is what Marijuana "enthusiasts" usually preach... which is a far cry from preaching that there is absolutely no bad effects from the drug. no one accepts that, expect the odd "guru" or naturopath that believes that Marijuana is "sacred" or something. yes, this opinions spreads silly enough as it is; usually to the people who are new to Marijuana, but if you'd ask them sensibly, to be honest about any negative effects, i'm sure they'd tell you that although it's hardly an issue for them, that there are negative effects that can lead to someone possibly having a worse off time recreationally using Marijuana, or becoming so enamored by their "favorite" substance that they becoming blinded to the facts of Marijuana use.

but as little as it happens between experienced users of the drug, it leaves little cause for concern over the apparent "lack of concern" towards the typical Marijuana users stance on it's "negative effects", because usually it's in the users best interest to discover what works for him/her while using Marijuana, and to stop using it if it's effecting them negatively; which is as easy as putting down the pipe and effectively quitting inhaling or ingesting the drug, cold turkey.

which is easy, considering the lack of strong withdrawal effects. it's not like quitting Tobacco or quitting Cocaine or Heroin or Ketamine... it's a minor nuisance more then "terrible time".

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    #19192441 - 11/26/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You are so blind kid. Anyone with these illnesses will say that weed is one of the worst drugs for them.


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    #19192454 - 11/26/13 02:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

yeah, KID, i know, that's why if they HAVE THOSE ILLNESSES, they shouldn't smoke it; because it's BAD FOR THEM. i've never denied that, not even one single time. again, you're projecting your infantile understanding of the argument. YOU'RE BLIND, because i agree with you, and you can't even see that.

PS: i have a family member (twice removed) who has schizophrenia and weed makes his symptoms worse.

you don't seem to understand the fact that, though, that him (like everyone else like him) HAD THE PROBLEM BEFORE SMOKING WEED.

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    #19192461 - 11/26/13 02:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Why can they handle most other drugs fine, but when weed comes into the equation they start hearing voices, dissociating, having panic attacks, isolating themselves ect. I think that it works on the mind in a way that most other drugs don't touch. That's what makes it bad for anyone susceptible or with these illnesses. Don't blame them though, they have been taught by people like you that the plant is safe and harmless and just has side effects. Nah, some of the effects weed has on these people are long lasting and serious and I wish you could talk to them face to face cause they would wanna slap you for being ignorant.


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    #19192470 - 11/26/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

because weed is a psychedelic. you don't give shrooms, acid, or weed or drugs with HALLUCINATIONS as a common side effect, to a person who REGULARLY HALLUCINATES. DUH.


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    #19192488 - 11/26/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

you keep acting like I DIDN'T JUST SAY IT WAS BAD FOR PEOPLE WITH THOSE CONDITIONS.

are you fucked? I AGREE WITH YOU.

but it's common knowledge that weed is a hallucinogenic drug, and someone WHO HALLUCINATES, should be able to recognize that their HALLUCINATIONS will become stronger if they take a HALLUCINOGENIC DRUG. it's practically common sense, because the WORDS are their to tell you.

unless you're delusional, and you can't make decisions that are right for yourself, but then again, that can't be attributed to "smoking weed" either, as smoking weed doesn't make one ambivalent to their own delusional thinking, unless they are ALREADY PRONE to delusional thinking... and that's a symptom common in SCHIZOPHRENIA; the inability to make rational decisions.

should we blame a drug for making people who are schizophrenic irrational?

i bet you'd say yes, because i'm sure you probably don't even understand the argument, like most of your way through this thread. :facepalm:


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    #19192517 - 11/26/13 03:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Go to the thread weed made me paranoid and sick in mental health and well being where me and everyone agree weed causes schizophrenia.


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    #19192521 - 11/26/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

when has someone ever said "I smoked so much weed I started hearing voices?"


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    #19192523 - 11/26/13 03:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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when has someone ever said "I smoked so much weed I started hearing voices?"




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    #19192546 - 11/26/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Causes :facepalm: :lol:

an academic could punch you in the teeth and you still wouldn't get it.

CAUSE ≠ Having the condition to begin with

Marijuana doesn't "cause" Schizophrenia, it enhances (for lack of a better word) or reveals the extent of it's pre-eminent existence of said condition.

you'll never understand the concept of cause and effect, apparently. :shrug:
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when has someone ever said "I smoked so much weed I started hearing voices?"




It's happened ...




because they were skitzo already and weed enhanced and acclimated to it's effects the person already had BEFORE ingesting weed.


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    #19192550 - 11/26/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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when has someone ever said "I smoked so much weed I started hearing voices?"




predisposition - weed could bring it to the front of the table, but it would have to have been there in the first place


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    #19192558 - 11/26/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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when has someone ever said "I smoked so much weed I started hearing voices?"




predisposition - weed could bring it to the front of the table, but it would have to have been there in the first place



now tell Bitter Cactus that, because he's really up in arms about this fact being relevant.


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    #19192562 - 11/26/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

id like to add weed, and lsd give delusions big time (although ive never done lsd without smoking weed) but shrooms not so much


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    #19192565 - 11/26/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Alright great. That means you need a schizo metal detector before you smoke? That information is irrelevant for a lot of people you posted. Nobody knows if they are predisposed to it, and weed brings it out in people it would have otherwise never come to the surface. It's like a game of russian roulette each time you smoke.


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    #19192583 - 11/26/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

it doesn't "give you delusions", it makes your judgment impaired, which gives way to fantastical thinking.

delusional, sure, but not "delusions."

a delusion in that sense would be like saying "whoa man, i can fly" and ACTUALLY jumping off the building THINKING that you really could fly.

"impaired delusional thinking" is different in that, you might think some fantastical or straight up WRONG thoughts... but you don't act on them.

it's just another result of the old story of people thinking that people ACTUALLY jumped out of windows thinking they could fly... it's been shown that this "story" is greatly exaggerated.

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    #19192594 - 11/26/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Alright great. That means you need a schizo metal detector before you smoke? That information is irrelevant for a lot of people you posted. Nobody knows if they are predisposed to it, and weed brings it out in people it would have otherwise never come to the surface. It's like a game of russian roulette each time you smoke.



finally, you make decent point.

yes, it's dangerous when you consider the fact that no one can tell they are pre-disposed unless they've had some previous experience dealing with the aforementioned problems before hand, and have seen a doctor, in most cases.

which is why not everyone should be smoking drugs, in the first place. but that's on the person. not the drug. it's not an effect of the drug, so it's not the DRUG that's DOING IT to the person. it's the person's original state; plus not to mention, when someone is pre-disposed to having a mental disorder, ALOT of DIFFERENT things (stressors, genetic or otherwise) can set it off, and in alot of cases the person who is pre-disposed is likely to have the disorder "pop up" over time, regardless if they used drugs or not.

ie. not everyone who has these problems has used Marijuana.


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    #19192602 - 11/26/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Just look at the weed high and tell me it's not bad for anyone with paranoia, anxiety, DP/DR, HPPD, hallucinations, anything. It is seriously one of the worst and your skull is so thick it doesn't accept this. NONE of the information you posted is relevant aside from this fact. The high isn't like alcohol, benzos, opiates, or most other drugs for that matter in that most users can handle it well. Some people are set off from a few tokes like a ticking time bomb and your ignorance will hide that fact and make more people do it.


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    #19192619 - 11/26/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

smoking pot isn't going to trigger that I'm sorry, not in the way an amphetamine would

they did a study of all the people who've done shrooms in Sweden or Amsterdam, 100's of thousands of people

they didn't have any more mental illness then the rest of the population

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    #19192627 - 11/26/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

no again with the projection. YOUR SKULL IS THINK, BECAUSE I DO ACCEPT THIS AND HAVE STATED MANY TIMES THAT PEOPLE WITH ANXIETY AND PARANOIA AND HPPD AND HALLUCINATIONS SHOULD NOT DO THE DRUG OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE IT'S BAD FOR THEM.

THEM AS IN NOT EVERYONE, WHICH IS MY ARGUMENT; MY ARGUMENT IS THAT, NOT THAT PEOPLE WITH ANXIETY AND PARANOIA AND HPPD AND HALLUCINATIONS SHOUDL DO THE DRUG ANYWAYS. I'VE NEVER SAID THAT ONCE, YOU'RE JUST ASSUMING I SAID THAT BECAUSE YOUR EITHER BLIND AND CAN'T READ, OR YOUR ASSUMPTIONS ARE CONTROLLING YOUR STANCE ON THE ARGUMENT.

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everyone throw stones at bitter cactus!


he is the one who is trying to tell me that i'm not saying what i'm already saying, and that i'm saying something else, that i really am not saying.


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    #19192633 - 11/26/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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smoking pot isn't going to trigger that I'm sorry, not in the way an amphetamine would

they did a study of all the people who've done shrooms in Sweden or Amsterdam, 100's of thousands of people

they didn't have any more mental illness then the rest of the population

everyone throw stones at bitter cactus!




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    #19192635 - 11/26/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

seriously weed doesn't even expand your mine the way other drugs do

it could be a trigger down the line with another substance involved but you are not going to smoke weed and hear voices


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    #19192643 - 11/26/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

people in cali were smoking so much weed with THC from the medicinal shit they were getting THC sickness


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    #19192646 - 11/26/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Weed is different than psychedelics. Weed has this underlying paranoia that even with your conscious mind telling you it's stupid is hard to dismiss. It turns into a delusion when you start suspecting that people know or that you smell or whatever. It's hard to shake. Psychedelics I believe don't cause that underlying anxiety through the trip, but when there is anxiety it's rational and not caused by delusions. Weed seriously invites this state of mind to everyone that smokes regardless of their background.


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    #19192673 - 11/26/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

LOL Weed = Psychedelic and Hallucinogen (just in case you missed this fact for the umpteenth time)

just like Shrooms. but nah, not according to Bitter Cactus... to him weed is a super special drug that doesn't have anything in common with a Hallucinogenic drug, BUT it causes people to go insane!

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    #19192682 - 11/26/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm talking traditional psychedelics, or RC psychedelics that are meant for a full on trip. But even explaining the difference between weed and those drugs  is not worth my effort to you. Weed is a bunch of things but I'm not going to lump weed with the major psychedelics.


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    #19192689 - 11/26/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

lol, no one here (including me) is lumping weed in with "major psychedelics". it's a known fact of Weed having Hallucinogenic properties, LIKE PSYCHEDELICS.

you need to OPEN THEM EYES... AND READ THE ACTUAL WORDS. not the made up stuff you're hallucinating. (seemingly anyway  :lol: )


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    #19192695 - 11/26/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Go to sleep dude you have been at this for the last twenty four hours. Nobody cares anymore.


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    #19192704 - 11/26/13 03:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

you do, apparently.

plus, i've slept, have you lost track of time from doing your RC's?

oh and i'm assuming you don't have a way to drudge back to your original claims, since after mistaking what mine are for so long; you've maybe finally seen that i'm agreeing with you on some points, and disagreeing on some others, and making a rational argument that attests to Weed's hallucinogenic properties not being good people with psychosis or other latent mental disorders, so you've resorted to ad hominem attacks.

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    #19192713 - 11/26/13 03:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't do RC's really. Etizolam is the only one and I don't even have that yet.


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    #19192717 - 11/26/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

oh. well,... carry on.

you still didn't prove anything, you lose


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    #19192718 - 11/26/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

9/10 of my friends smoke weed and don't think it's a psychadelic in highschool most of them thought it was a depressant because it made you sleepy

however those same friends will not touch other drugs(non psychadelic) for the fact that they smoked so much weed growing up it would probably alter their conscious pretty bad

I mean not just smoking weed but drinking and rolling blunts, rolling phatties who smokes the joints

if you spent your prime years "smoking" weed and experimenting theres probably a larger percentage of mental illness cropping up


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    #19192723 - 11/26/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

and we all know the prime age for that is 18-30


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    #19192725 - 11/26/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

because a large percent of those people don't know left from right, and they couldn't tell what (if anything) a drug actually did to them, even if they went to study it for 4 years in medical school. of course someone with  penchant for being unaware, sedate, or loopy, would have a higher risk factor being nuts... and of course, there would be plenty of people in that category, to take place in studies for assessing the dangers of pot. which of course skews and real results, since you need average people with NORMAL UNALTERED BRAINS to partake... but then again, it's good for the scientists who only see the cons in Marijuana use; and of course said scientists would want to use THOSE people, because it helps to prove their assertions, which are already based on faulty assumptions and faulty science.

(which pro-marijuana scientists, do as well, making for BAD science.)


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    #19192737 - 11/26/13 03:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

beleive me, their parents/dare program didnt either...


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    #19192746 - 11/26/13 03:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

yeah, which influences the drug culture into being a bunch of haphazard morons.


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    #19192757 - 11/26/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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    #19192762 - 11/26/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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yeah, which influences the drug culture into being a bunch of haphazard morons.



most of those haphazard morons have the gift of gab and lots of networking skill

you should try it sometime :smoker:


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    #19192769 - 11/26/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

hey, i'm not saying people who do drugs are "not smart".

when did i ever say that? i said "people in the drug CULTURE", not "people who do drugs and who are in Business/Technology/Marketing/ ectect".

don't make what i said in to something that it's not.

people can do drugs and be the smartest people in the room, and have fantastic skills and professional jobs; and of course, i would never imply the opposite because i know plenty of people like that, and i know that drugs sometimes can make people more keen to interpreting knowledge.

UNLIKE some people (Bitter Cactus); at least in terms of debate and rational discourse.

(i'm even endowed with the lack of rational discourse, just look how much ranting was done in the other Marijuana thread... luckily in this thread that i started, i am much more level headed.)


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    #19192771 - 11/26/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You need a toke your marijuana withdrawal is obviously causing anger, restlessness, irritability ect.


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    #19192790 - 11/26/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

LOL, no. ad hominem won't save you now.

i'm perfectly fine and laughing at your silly inquest. :lol:

your assumptions lead me to believe you are upset. want a cookie?


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    #19192799 - 11/26/13 04:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't read ANYTHING in this thread but


MARIJUANA

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    #19192812 - 11/26/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

thank God, you didn't, because you'd be reading the same arguments and ad hominem attacks OVER and OVER again, between me and Bitter Cactus.

at least LittleDipster has some good points and was levelheaded in his discussion. (with me, the aggressor)

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    #19192833 - 11/26/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Weed is different than psychedelics. Weed has this underlying paranoia that even with your conscious mind telling you it's stupid is hard to dismiss. It turns into a delusion when you start suspecting that people know or that you smell or whatever. It's hard to shake. Psychedelics I believe don't cause that underlying anxiety through the trip, but when there is anxiety it's rational and not caused by delusions. Weed seriously invites this state of mind to everyone that smokes regardless of their background.




lol wut?

Weed doesn't make me paranoid brah. It makes me want to raid my fridge and fuck my girlfriend.

Paranoia is in your mind, not mine. Lulz

also: You think psychedeics don't cause anxiety? :rofl:


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Weed is different than psychedelics. Weed has this underlying paranoia that even with your conscious mind telling you it's stupid is hard to dismiss. It turns into a delusion when you start suspecting that people know or that you smell or whatever. It's hard to shake. Psychedelics I believe don't cause that underlying anxiety through the trip, but when there is anxiety it's rational and not caused by delusions. Weed seriously invites this state of mind to everyone that smokes regardless of their background.



i'm pretty sure he thinks that because people who have or are prone to mental disorders, hallucinate after ingesting weed, that weed CAUSES mental disorder.






i know, the logic... is a bit loopy. i'm not even sure he can explain what it means. :shrug: i've tried getting him to explain what he means, but he just keeps saying "weed causes psychosis and schizophrenia".


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    #19193258 - 11/26/13 05:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

you know what's funny. that while the jury is out on whether Marijuana "causes" psychosis; it's a well known fact that Methamphetamine can... and what makes this all come together to make a barrel of laughs... http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19193175#19193175
this post showing Bitter Cactus's love for Meth^

it seems that someone has a very apparent bias. no offense dude. i think you're cool and all, but i really think that your judgement in this thread was a bit askew.

Cannabis
The more often cannabis is abused the more likely a person is to develop a psychotic illness,[62] with frequent use being correlated with twice the risk of psychosis and schizophrenia.[63][64] While cannabis use is accepted as a contributory cause of schizophrenia by many,[65] it remains controversial.[66][67] Some studies indicate that the effects of two active compounds in cannabis, tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and cannabidiol (CBD), have opposite effects with respect to psychosis. While THC by itself tends to induce psychotic symptoms, CBD tends to reduce them, particularly in people who are at risk for or who already exhibit psychosis.[68] However, cannabis used to attain a "high" is typically very low in CBD content, but conversely very high in THC content. Since most cannabis contains much more THC than cannabidiol, CBD's protective effect may not be present, while THC's detrimental effect remains. Cannabis use has increased dramatically over the past few decades whereas the rate of psychosis has not increased. Together, these findings suggest that cannabis use may hasten onset of psychosis in those who may be already predisposed to psychosis.[69]

Methamphetamine
Methamphetamine induces a psychosis in 26-46 percent of heavy users. Some of these people develop a long-lasting psychosis that can persist for longer than 6 months. Those who have had a short-lived psychosis from methamphetamine can have a relapse of the methamphetamine psychosis years later after a stress event such as severe insomnia or a period of heavy alcohol abuse despite not relapsing back to methamphetamine. Individuals who have long history of methamphetamine abuse and who have experienced psychosis in the past from methamphetamine abuse are highly likely to rapidly relapse back into a methamphetamine psychosis within a week or so of going back onto methamphetamine. Violence is common during a methamphetamine psychosis


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    #19193271 - 11/26/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

that's fan-fapping-tastic!


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    #19193276 - 11/26/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not denying speed causes psychosis bra. That's not what this thread is about. It does cause psychosis, but I believe marijuana induced psychosis is a real thing too.


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    #19193329 - 11/26/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

yeah, you're right. absolutely. still a funny position to take so seriously when you're all for psychosis inducing drugs. your beliefs are justified.


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    #19193373 - 11/26/13 06:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't want to knock MJ users so I don't post about it very often but MJ caused instant, overpowering, insane amounts of paranoia and delusion for me, whereas psychedelics were great, and that was after I was a bit schizo anyway.

Psychedelics may be less likely to cause underlying conditions to emerge or worsen than MJ, is what I take from this. Could be wrong.


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    #19193388 - 11/26/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I agree.


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    #19193644 - 11/26/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

true; and it was because he was already pre-disposed to having a mental disorder like schizophrenia.


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:lol: this thread is still kickin


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    #19194498 - 11/26/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I injected marijuanas one time and I died. True story. I'm still dead. Fuck that stuff.


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I injected marijuanas one time and I died. True story. I'm still dead. Fuck that stuff.



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    #19194654 - 11/26/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

This thread made me smoke sixteen blunts to the face and get schizophrenia.

Damn you, Shroomery, damn you.  Hopefully at least they'll be able to prescribe me oxycodone in rehab to dull the irreversible mental pain I now have upon reading 95% of the previous posts.  :smirk:


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    #19195156 - 11/27/13 05:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

akira i couldn't get very far through this thread, but the reason people say that is because its true.

why does didn't happen to you = doesn't happen?

how can you say that drugs aren't the root cause of psychosis in some people, when the physical mechanism of psychosis isn't understood.

its very well documented that there can be physical causes for psychosis.  viruses, heavy metals, stuff like that.  why couldn't weed be on that list?


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i think marijuana exacerbates my paranoid delusions, but i dont think it's the cause of them.


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    #19195188 - 11/27/13 06:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think if weed caused mental illness everyone on this forum would be absolutely insane.



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    #19196216 - 11/27/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

view humans as a regenerating battery.

we operate 4/4 on when sober.
when on weed we operate 3/4 on.
the 3/4 on battery is a gateway to 2/4 or half a battery, so your now only semi-functional, so you are within range to go downhill mentally depending on your thoughts/actions, this is when you quit weed and allow yourself to regenerenate before doing any recreational drugs if you choose too


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    #19196745 - 11/27/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I think if weed caused mental illness everyone on this forum would be absolutely insane.



oh wait... :thatistroubling:



yaeh, why can't it just be that some people are prone to mental problems, or that some people are pre-disposed to conditions? i mean, IF weed DID cause "mental disorder" then wouldn't everyone here practically be insane?

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akira i couldn't get very far through this thread, but the reason people say that is because its true.

why does didn't happen to you = doesn't happen?

how can you say that drugs aren't the root cause of psychosis in some people, when the physical mechanism of psychosis isn't understood.

its very well documented that there can be physical causes for psychosis.  viruses, heavy metals, stuff like that.  why couldn't weed be on that list?



because viruses and heavy metals have distinct physiological symptoms that may cause mental symptoms, but weed doesn't... weed's physiological action is so tiny, it's not AT ALL like a heavy metal build-up or viral infection; which usually messes with multiple functions in your body, depending on what virus and where it is in your body; some cancers cause mental disorder... but WEED is NONE OF THOSE THINGS. weed can't kill your liver; probably even if you injected straight THC into your liver, it still probably wouldn't harm you.

some people here need to introduce some knowledge about physiology to themselves. the biggest thing weed does is inhibit Cannabinoid receptors in your body... it's not gonna build up in your liver, or cause an infection that'll screw with your bodies system's like a virus or other types of poison.

haha, it's NOT POISON.

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    #19197414 - 11/27/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What I'm saying is for those predisposed, with the genetic material that gives them a latent schizophrenia, they will more likely experience an emergence of symptoms with pot and less likely with psychedelics. When research gets into full swing they'll come to this discovery I think. I also predict that it will not cause it if you're not predisposed.

I can't see anything wrong with drug use if you're not predisposed to schizophrenia, except things like amphetamines, which I bet they will find causes depression and brain damage, since everyone I know/see on that stuff is now kind of brain damaged or depressed.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: circastes]
    #19197419 - 11/27/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I agree with you but your opinions are being overshadowed by the shouting and barking in this thread. There is a DISTINCT aspect of the marijuana high that induces schizophrenia and other mental illnesses alike. You know what I mean circastes? The high itself can easily lead to the emergence of mental disorders that otherwise would have never taken hold.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19197455 - 11/27/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

what a load of crap^ you agree with him, but then you don't because you just contradict yourself right away in the same fucking post.

dude. you're doin too much Meth.

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    #19197597 - 11/27/13 06:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well the very first time I toked, straight away, I was paranoid and delusional, right on the out-breath from the bong. All times after that, the same thing. It was just every now and then I'd be with people who smoked and I would try some, stupidly, thinking I just couldn't handle the normal high. I was quite young.

I think I know what you mean about a particular feeling with the high, but you would be able to handle it fine without the predisposition, you would be laughing and really enjoying the mildly psychedelic feeling you get from it (which I sort of picked up out of all the chaos). It wouldn't stand out as being a bad thing like it does.

Psychedelics are far more forgiving, at least mushrooms. There was a guy on bluelight who was schizophrenic and just tripped anyway, said he'd done so hundreds of times. All my experiences were good, even though I was already schizophrenic. I don't think I'll touch drugs again though. I've had enough of not knowing what the hell is happening.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: circastes]
    #19197752 - 11/27/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Well the very first time I toked, straight away, I was paranoid and delusional, right on the out-breath from the bong. All times after that, the same thing. It was just every now and then I'd be with people who smoked and I would try some, stupidly, thinking I just couldn't handle the normal high. I was quite young.

I think I know what you mean about a particular feeling with the high, but you would be able to handle it fine without the predisposition, you would be laughing and really enjoying the mildly psychedelic feeling you get from it (which I sort of picked up out of all the chaos). It wouldn't stand out as being a bad thing like it does.

Psychedelics are far more forgiving, at least mushrooms. There was a guy on bluelight who was schizophrenic and just tripped anyway, said he'd done so hundreds of times. All my experiences were good, even though I was already schizophrenic. I don't think I'll touch drugs again though. I've had enough of not knowing what the hell is happening.



On the other hand I've never felt any paranoia or anxiety from marijuana or psychedelics.


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    #19197890 - 11/27/13 07:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well that's to be expected if you're not predisposed.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: circastes]
    #19197902 - 11/27/13 07:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Well the very first time I toked, straight away, I was paranoid and delusional, right on the out-breath from the bong. All times after that, the same thing. It was just every now and then I'd be with people who smoked and I would try some, stupidly, thinking I just couldn't handle the normal high. I was quite young.

I think I know what you mean about a particular feeling with the high, but you would be able to handle it fine without the predisposition, you would be laughing and really enjoying the mildly psychedelic feeling you get from it (which I sort of picked up out of all the chaos). It wouldn't stand out as being a bad thing like it does.

Psychedelics are far more forgiving, at least mushrooms. There was a guy on bluelight who was schizophrenic and just tripped anyway, said he'd done so hundreds of times. All my experiences were good, even though I was already schizophrenic. I don't think I'll touch drugs again though. I've had enough of not knowing what the hell is happening.




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The marijuana high will pretty much always have an underlying feeling of anxiety, paranoia, and will cause minor delusions. Psychedelics do not have this underlying feeling, which is probably why schizophrenic people can handle them easier.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19197921 - 11/27/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Well the very first time I toked, straight away, I was paranoid and delusional, right on the out-breath from the bong. All times after that, the same thing. It was just every now and then I'd be with people who smoked and I would try some, stupidly, thinking I just couldn't handle the normal high. I was quite young.

I think I know what you mean about a particular feeling with the high, but you would be able to handle it fine without the predisposition, you would be laughing and really enjoying the mildly psychedelic feeling you get from it (which I sort of picked up out of all the chaos). It wouldn't stand out as being a bad thing like it does.

Psychedelics are far more forgiving, at least mushrooms. There was a guy on bluelight who was schizophrenic and just tripped anyway, said he'd done so hundreds of times. All my experiences were good, even though I was already schizophrenic. I don't think I'll touch drugs again though. I've had enough of not knowing what the hell is happening.




QTF

The marijuana high will pretty much always have an underlying feeling of anxiety, paranoia, and will cause minor delusions. Psychedelics do not have this underlying feeling, which is probably why schizophrenic people can handle them easier.



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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: circastes]
    #19198079 - 11/27/13 07:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Well the very first time I toked, straight away, I was paranoid and delusional, right on the out-breath from the bong. All times after that, the same thing. It was just every now and then I'd be with people who smoked and I would try some, stupidly, thinking I just couldn't handle the normal high. I was quite young.

I think I know what you mean about a particular feeling with the high, but you would be able to handle it fine without the predisposition, you would be laughing and really enjoying the mildly psychedelic feeling you get from it (which I sort of picked up out of all the chaos). It wouldn't stand out as being a bad thing like it does.

Psychedelics are far more forgiving, at least mushrooms. There was a guy on bluelight who was schizophrenic and just tripped anyway, said he'd done so hundreds of times. All my experiences were good, even though I was already schizophrenic. I don't think I'll touch drugs again though. I've had enough of not knowing what the hell is happening.



On the other hand I've never felt any paranoia or anxiety from marijuana or psychedelics.






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Well that's to be expected if you're not predisposed.




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    #19198241 - 11/27/13 08:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You relapsed? Is it nice to have the withdrawals over and done with?


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    #19198254 - 11/27/13 08:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i deff am fucked but oh well.. ill quit today and ill post advancements ig


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    #19198293 - 11/27/13 09:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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You relapsed? Is it nice to have the withdrawals over and done with?



nah, it told you already man. i don't get 'em. :shrug: maybe i will in the future and you'll be right about everything. :shrug:

or maybe nothing will happen all the same... and you'll just be another dude who made up his own ideas about what's real, and i just followed the trail of reason to the matter of facts and rationality.

either way, i don't give a flying fuck what you think, because you've proven to be a thorn in my spine, and quite ambiguous to your proving of the matter at hand for you.


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    #19198409 - 11/27/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

what does a virus or heavy metals fucking up your liver have to do with causing mental disorders?

a) mental problems can have physical causes.
b) mental problems can arise from physical causes without predisposition.
c) the mechanism and causes of mental disorders are not fully understood.
d) the full effects of weed on the body are not fully understood
e) there appears to be a relationship between smoking weed and mental disorders.


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    #19198454 - 11/27/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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    #19198724 - 11/27/13 11:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I agree with 99% of the points made by the OP (just from reading the first post plus skimming the rest) but the way you're going about it gives me intense second-hand embarrassment. When communicating with others, the way you present yourself and (your) ideas is, in my opinion, nearly as important as the information itself.


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    #19198730 - 11/27/13 11:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I agree with 99% of the points made by the OP (just from reading the first post plus skimming the rest) but the way you're going about it gives me intense second-hand embarrassment. When communicating with others, the way you present yourself and (your) ideas is, in my opinion, nearly as important as the information itself.




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    #19198749 - 11/27/13 11:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I agree with 99% of the points made by the OP (just from reading the first post plus skimming the rest) but the way you're going about it gives me intense second-hand embarrassment. When communicating with others, the way you present yourself and (your) ideas is, in my opinion, nearly as important as the information itself.



yeah, but i was pissed off from another thread, and i just thought i'd nip this whole bullshit "Marijuana CAN BE BAD" slogan in the bud.

PS: and by pissed off i mean, "fuck that shit, it's time to put and end to this".


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    #19198760 - 11/27/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I agree with you but your opinions are being overshadowed by the shouting and barking in this thread. There is a DISTINCT aspect of the marijuana high that induces schizophrenia and other mental illnesses alike. You know what I mean circastes? The high itself can easily lead to the emergence of mental disorders that otherwise would have never taken hold.




There are a ton of drugs that can bring out mental illness in somebody predisposed.

Do you know what a biological predisposition is? :cookiemonster:


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    #19198764 - 11/27/13 11:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

yeah, do you?


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    #19198775 - 11/27/13 11:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19199106 - 11/28/13 01:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I haven't had the patience to go through this entire thread. But let me clear this up for myself. Are you saying Akira, that drugs can only exacerbate a predisposed mental disorder? That they cannot be the sole cause of one? That in no way can marijuana cause a problem, only make a preexisting one worse?


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    #19199205 - 11/28/13 02:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

as for Marijuana, it's yes to your question, but not certain drugs like Methampthetamines, Herion and Opiates(does not cause psychosis unless in major withdrawal and causes major addiction even within a couple tries; some would argue even a single try is inherently brain altering permanently though that's rather hard to believe.)

- certain SSRI's are deadly in withdrawal and are sometimes addictive and can cause hallucinations, and can exacerbate pre-eminent and mental conditions, (thought disorders, depersonalization psychosis, can exacerbate bi-polar symptoms [thought alternatively some SSrI's and Trycylic anti-Depressants are used especially for or off-label for bi-polar; sometimes counter-indicated by medicinal use :see Lithium])

- anti-anxiety drugs can cause severe withdrawals and possible death, as well as addiction and as with most depressants is in general dangerous.

- you wouldn't want eat or over-ingest/over-dose certain minerals, vitamins and metals; and anti-psychotic medicine general feels not so good, and is only used for people with usually bad or manageable mental health issues/crisis or severe schizophrenia patients.

i hope that was helpful. now if any one how has a sensible mind can see that i have pointed out plenty of drugs with these possible effects.

now i will point that MARIWANA :b0x0rz: is a possible contributor to stressors for...; and exacerbation of pre-eminent (as in intractable of genetic activation and from environmental streessors) mental CRISIS and SYMPTOMS.

if anyone experiences these symptoms to a degree, then i suggest they do NOT DO MARIJAUNA, as it may lead to complications of mental or even emotional (if you wanna go that far) strain, and furthermore, if the symptoms persist or they in effect critical affect your life, then you should seek medical attention for advice. unless you present as a danger to yourself or to others, or present with suicidal edition then you will not be detained on psychiatric watch or "committed"(you will need family to that, or yourself, or to a danger to yourself or the public)

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    #19199442 - 11/28/13 05:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)





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    #19199790 - 11/28/13 08:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

funny because it's true. :happyweed:


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    #19199798 - 11/28/13 08:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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as for Marijuana, it's yes to your question, but not certain drugs like Methampthetamines, Herion and Opiates(does not cause psychosis unless in major withdrawal and causes major addiction even within a couple tries; some would argue even a single try is inherently brain altering permanently though that's rather hard to believe.)

- certain SSRI's are deadly in withdrawal and are sometimes addictive and can cause hallucinations, and can exacerbate pre-eminent and mental conditions, (thought disorders, depersonalization psychosis, can exacerbate bi-polar symptoms [thought alternatively some SSrI's and Trycylic anti-Depressants are used especially for or off-label for bi-polar; sometimes counter-indicated by medicinal use :see Lithium])

- anti-anxiety drugs can cause severe withdrawals and possible death, as well as addiction and as with most depressants is in general dangerous.

- you wouldn't want eat or over-ingest/over-dose certain minerals, vitamins and metals; and anti-psychotic medicine general feels not so good, and is only used for people with usually bad or manageable mental health issues/crisis or severe schizophrenia patients.

i hope that was helpful. now if any one how has a sensible mind can see that i have pointed out plenty of drugs with these possible effects.

now i will point that MARIWANA :b0x0rz: is a possible contributor to stressors for...; and exacerbation of pre-eminent (as in intractable of genetic activation and from environmental streessors) mental CRISIS and SYMPTOMS.

if anyone experiences these symptoms to a degree, then i suggest they do NOT DO MARIJAUNA, as it may lead to complications of mental or even emotional (if you wanna go that far) strain, and furthermore, if the symptoms persist or they in effect critical affect your life, then you should seek medical attention for advice. unless you present as a danger to yourself or to others, or present with suicidal edition then you will not be detained on psychiatric watch or "committed"(you will need family to that, or yourself, or to a danger to yourself or the public)

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lol, in actuality its really rare to die from withdrawals, but you will become depressed riddled with anxiety if your taking something like cymbalta and quit cold turkey, i know this from personal experience, same with mirtazapine (remeron)  i dont think medication is the enemy in the slightest. i think some people really need them to get a different 'view' on life. certain views will keep you in a cell, wasting precious years/days of your life

i beg to differ on overdosing on vitamins/minerals, that would just come out of your urine.


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    #19200329 - 11/28/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

All the effects are direct, we just call some side effects cause they aren't marketed or used for that. :stoned:


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    #19200357 - 11/28/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

fact: marijuana is safer than caffeine

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    #19200884 - 11/28/13 01:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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yeah, but i was pissed off from another thread, and i just thought i'd nip this whole bullshit "Marijuana CAN BE BAD" slogan in the bud.

PS: and by pissed off i mean, "fuck that shit, it's time to put and end to this".




I feel you, friend. I've certainly been guilty of being over-zealous in my defense of the cannabis plant but as you said, such zeal is likely a result of the idiocy you face on the other side of the argument (those vehemently opposed).


I think much of your argument is an issue of semantics. I agree with you to that extent—too many people get wrapped up in terms like "drug", "withdrawal", and "addiction" to view things more objectively.


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    #19201240 - 11/28/13 03:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The marijuana high will pretty much always have an underlying feeling of anxiety, paranoia, and will cause minor delusions. Psychedelics do not have this underlying feeling, which is probably why schizophrenic people can handle them easier.




lol, what BS. Are you schizophrenic?
Weed CAN have an underlying feeling of anxiety and paranoia (mostly exclusively in people doing it for the first couple times). But to say it will pretty much ALWAYS have them is total BS. Sorry. Tens of Millions of people smoke it every day without these effects.

Psychedelics (mushrooms especially) have a MUCH HIGHER capability to trigger anxiety and panic attacks and psychosis 1,000x more than marijuana. ESPECIALLY in people predisposed to those conditions. Have your schizophrenic friend eat 6 grams and get back to me.


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    #19201278 - 11/28/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not schizophrenic. Can you prove that 1000 times more than marijuana fact you stated?


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    #19201332 - 11/28/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

he tells the shroomery they'd get schizophrenia:lol:

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    #19201341 - 11/28/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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lol, what BS. Are you schizophrenic?
Weed CAN have an underlying feeling of anxiety and paranoia (mostly exclusively in people doing it for the first couple times). But to say it will pretty much ALWAYS have them is total BS. Sorry. Tens of Millions of people smoke it every day without these effects.




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Psychedelics (mushrooms especially) have a MUCH HIGHER capability to trigger anxiety and panic attacks and psychosis 1,000x more than marijuana. ESPECIALLY in people predisposed to those conditions. Have your schizophrenic friend eat 6 grams and get back to me.




you lost me, ime , im afraid to take any pot at all, but mushrooms dont phase me, and im starting to wonder if acid only tripped me up because ive only taken it when i use to smoke pot


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    #19201346 - 11/28/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Mushrooms can make you gay and can certainly make you schizophrenic. Marijuana can make you schizophrenic.


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    #19201396 - 11/28/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think the reason people get schizophrenia is because other drugs that shall remain nameless, hardwire your brain differently after you've taken them, you brain pretty much can't get that sensation unless it gets more and when you get more you will also hardwire it more to feel better about doing it.

mushrooms yeah you will display schizo symptoms but when you come down you actually won't have it, most people get hppd and like everyone said there would need to be a source from that and from what they can tell, people who have taken mushrooms arent anymore crazy then people who don't


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    #19201400 - 11/28/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

but yeah cutting off oxygen to your brain is never good


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    #19201415 - 11/28/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Marijuana gave me HPPD before ever trying a psychedelic. Like when I closed my eyes I saw neon dots and shit when I was heavy into it that never went away and only got worse with the shroom.


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    #19201468 - 11/28/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah i think the thing to take into consideration too

is a lot of these mental disorders are superficial

to understand something psuedo like that, it'd take like 100 years of microscopic brain research and garbage trucks full of burning dollars

lets face it, the reason we can't tack mushrooms to that stuff is because it can sometimes be environmental:shrug:


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    #19201483 - 11/28/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I do think that labelling mental illnesses based off of a list of symptoms is wrong. You can often take one mental disorder and classify it many different ways. ADHD is bullshit and I think depression isn't a chemical imbalance in your serotonin levels that is fixed with an SSRI. I don't necessarily think that having excess dopamine theory about schizophrenia is true because then antipsychotics would cure all the symptoms. I think we are only just learning how to treat these disorders and the causes and we should be taking a different approach.


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    #19201534 - 11/28/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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    #19201639 - 11/28/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

OP is an anti-marijuana shill agent, sent to make marijuana smokers look bad by having outbursts over the topic.


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    #19201702 - 11/28/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

more like i just had an outburst; and then to settle the argument, which another user BTW had sidetracked the topic to, immediately after the OP; and with nothing regarding the OP's "situation" at all (OP never said he was thinking about or talking about addiction and he say's "oh well, all the stoners would tell you can't get addicted, or that's what they'd have you believe" :homo: )

i simply corrected his inane tribulation with spelling out for everyone off the bat that "someone would have you believe that Marijuana isn't safe" is a LOUSY EMPTY PLATITUDE that serves no purpose other then to provoke an inane argument about the "safety of Marijuana". you know, i'm beginning to think i've been trololed.

i might have been a bit adamant in my posting in this thread, but i was having an "outburst" or "going ape" as you would seem to imply, Everlog, because i had done that in an EARLIER thread (my outburst) and i had thought that being "an asshole" about the subject (which LittleD frankly deserved) has too un-assertive in to which degree i wanted to "frankly" approach the subject.

thus i made this thread, which has the first two of it's posts as re-worded versions of two in the previous thread (which i freely admit, didn't quite need my "outburst" as you would call it, but i wasn't "outbursting" AT FIRST, i was merely making a statement, and then defending said statement against argument, and i didn't feel like arguing, and it was stupid of me.)

but in THIS thread, am i really being so out of hand? i defy you to show me where i am being out of hand except with the beginning two posts which are clearly from the other thread, and were said more "loudly", i guess you can say, from the rest.

i am trying to make my self as adamant as i possibly can in this thread, especially now, because i feel like i may have mis-represented myself, but i assure you, that if you look back you'll see me being level and concise with my proclamations and info, and was still being accosted by BitterCactus while i was still trying to assert my point to further reference.

you know, because Bitter thinks some obviously faulty information is true and is trying to say that i must be a "Marijuana addict" and displaying symptoms of being "in withdrawal".

isn't that trolling?

anyways, you too, should be able to see the folly in your ways; you can plainly see i am calm and in control of my devices.

you should to stop trying to provoke me.


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    #19201772 - 11/28/13 05:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah brah you're totally calm, that's why you just wrote multiple paragraphs explaining your outburst.

Do the italics represent how calm you are? :lol:

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    #19202031 - 11/28/13 06:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

well, yeah actually the fact of how many paragraphs i typed and how i tried to be as calculated as possibly might just speak to how calm i am right now. guess what i'm doing... enjoying a show and typing some shit on the internet. it's soothing. dude... you can't just make assumptions based on presuppositions. you think that because i am typing a long post, that i am mad?

:lol: that is called a presupposition; and you are wrong, because i can tell you verily that you are wrong and presumptious, AS USUAL. :ilold:

maybe more emoticons will help: :tongue:

gee, i guess maybe i'm just EXPLODING right NOW. :imslow:

NOT :rant:

jk!!

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PS: oh and the italics everywhere was because of a mismanaged tag, and if you thought about it, maybe you could have an at least useful assumption, on your part. :tongue:


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    #19202049 - 11/28/13 06:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You can always stop replying to me, but it's obvious that it bothers you. :smilingpuppy:

Calm recognizes calm.

It was just a joke :chillpill:, don't write a short story explaining how calm you are.


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    #19202068 - 11/28/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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You can always stop replying to me, but it's obvious that it bothers you. :smilingpuppy:

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It was just a joke :chillpill:, don't write a short story explaining how calm you are.




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    #19202090 - 11/28/13 06:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

nah, i don't think it's a joke. i think it's just trololing.

well, i guess i'm being just as trolly, as i kinda figure i am being :Trollface:'d

and why stop replying? i'm not gonna keep defending myself forever, because i think i'v made my point already... it's you and others that keep bumping this thread; when i go to bed i'm gonna expect that this thread will be bumped again, with no one even referring to me, until someone finally does trying to start telling me how i "should act", and then i'll probably just point out how it's happening, as there is nothing really much more that can be said about this "thing" anymore.

:shrug:

this thread is just me saying that people who can't get things through their head are being retarded. i mean, all i've been told that i think is maybe relevant (to myself, at least) is that i shouldn't have been so rude or have "acted out" so much... which i can admit.

if there is anything else you think i should fess up to; like about myself or the thread topic. please let me know, so i can tie up the loose ends; i mean, i'm almost 99% certain that i got my facts on Marijuana right.


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    #19202127 - 11/28/13 06:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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    #19202215 - 11/28/13 07:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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continued in http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19189683#19189683
"why do the weed tards never mention weed induces or can induce schizophrenic mindstates, causes depersonlization/ derealization, social anxiety, and a host of other mental disorders and withdrawl from using weed can lead to loss of appetite, sleeplessness, and irritability"

:rolleyes:

people on DRUG FORUM can't understand that all drugs have side effects, and that psychedelic drugs (especially) and otherwise, can cause PREDISPOSITIONS for other MEDICAL CONDITIONS to arise out of their use.

why do i even bother? my explanation of the 1: idiotic hypocrisy 2: the fact of drugs having side effects and 3: the fact of medical conditions being predisposed to occur in people with those conditions...




I know i'm completely late, but you're completely wrong. psychedelics were recently found to have no connection to mental illnesses (except HPPD perhaps). further more, a study with marijuana was done in the uk where the use of the plant went up in the country, while the rate of schizophrenia stayed the same.


weed does however have a withdrawal like many psychoactive drugs.

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    #19202232 - 11/28/13 07:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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"why do the weed tards never mention weed induces or can induce schizophrenic mindstates, causes depersonlization/ derealization, social anxiety, and a host of other mental disorders and withdrawl from using weed can lead to loss of appetite, sleeplessness, and irritability"

:rolleyes:

people on DRUG FORUM can't understand that all drugs have side effects, and that psychedelic drugs (especially) and otherwise, can cause PREDISPOSITIONS for other MEDICAL CONDITIONS to arise out of their use.

why do i even bother? my explanation of the 1: idiotic hypocrisy 2: the fact of drugs having side effects and 3: the fact of medical conditions being predisposed to occur in people with those conditions...




I know i'm completely late, but you're completely wrong. psychedelics were recently found to have no connection to mental illnesses (except HPPD perhaps). further more, a study with marijuana was done in the uk where the use of the plant went up in the country, while the rate of schizophrenia stayed the same.


weed does however have a withdrawal like many psychoactive drugs however.

:cheers:




i still believe if you have enough shit in your life that is making you break down, you have bad genetics, and a bad way of thinking, you can develop mental illness with weed. ime, weed tends to keep people in 'one place' mentally almost like there not really 'growing as a person' like other sober people,. anyone else experience this phenomenon?


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    #19202239 - 11/28/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

well that is fine and all, but the data just doesn't support any of that. on another note, if you have enough stuff in your life that is making you break down, do you really think its the weed that's causing that? :whatever:


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well that is fine and all, but the data just doesn't support any of that. on another note, if you have enough stuff in your life that is making you break down, do you really think its the weed that's causing that? :whatever:





ive seen studies in rehab. brain scans show that weed itself can control your most mentally productive/active part of the day, (minutes before you smoke, seeing or smelling the drug, any contact through the senses will cause this spark of mood/energy.

i want to see the study your regarding, (everyone knows about drug brain scans), weed can fuck someones thinking up and lead into deeper things. especially chronic use. a thought is powerful.

so yeah, i think weed can make someone depressed for sure on its own.
my mindstate appreciates the small things when im sober.. when im high all the time, i dont appreciate shit, n all i do is want to smoke, this is common for alot of my fellow potsmokers. it can certainly give someone anxiety and make them depressed, which leads to other things.

im talking about people who smoke weed everyday and dont give themselves/there mind time to breathe and reset


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    #19202338 - 11/28/13 07:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19560900
here's the study.


I will acknowledge that there is a lot of data regarding schizophrenia and cannabis, but i think in light of recent studies, the data might be disputed. Yes, cannabis can cause psychosis, and it can cause some life problems in this regard, but i think the severity of these problems is  perhaps a little exaggerated.


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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19560900
here's the study.


I will acknowledge that there is a lot of data regarding schizophrenia and cannabis, but i think in light of recent studies, the data might be disputed. Yes, cannabis can cause psychosis, and it can cause some life problems in this regard, but i think the severity of these problems is  perhaps a little exaggerated.




yes when you quit weed, but while you stay on it, it can destroy many things in someones life..


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    #19202405 - 11/28/13 08:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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nah, i don't think it's a joke. i think it's just trololing.

well, i guess i'm being just as trolly, as i kinda figure i am being :Trollface:'d

and why stop replying? i'm not gonna keep defending myself forever, because i think i'v made my point already... it's you and others that keep bumping this thread; when i go to bed i'm gonna expect that this thread will be bumped again, with no one even referring to me, until someone finally does trying to start telling me how i "should act", and then i'll probably just point out how it's happening, as there is nothing really much more that can be said about this "thing" anymore.

:shrug:

this thread is just me saying that people who can't get things through their head are being retarded. i mean, all i've been told that i think is maybe relevant (to myself, at least) is that i shouldn't have been so rude or have "acted out" so much... which i can admit.

if there is anything else you think i should fess up to; like about myself or the thread topic. please let me know, so i can tie up the loose ends; i mean, i'm almost 99% certain that i got my facts on Marijuana right.




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    #19203469 - 11/29/13 03:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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"why do the weed tards never mention weed induces or can induce schizophrenic mindstates, causes depersonlization/ derealization, social anxiety, and a host of other mental disorders and withdrawl from using weed can lead to loss of appetite, sleeplessness, and irritability"

:rolleyes:

people on DRUG FORUM can't understand that all drugs have side effects, and that psychedelic drugs (especially) and otherwise, can cause PREDISPOSITIONS for other MEDICAL CONDITIONS to arise out of their use.

why do i even bother? my explanation of the 1: idiotic hypocrisy 2: the fact of drugs having side effects and 3: the fact of medical conditions being predisposed to occur in people with those conditions...




I know i'm completely late, but you're completely wrong. psychedelics were recently found to have no connection to mental illnesses (except HPPD perhaps). further more, a study with marijuana was done in the uk where the use of the plant went up in the country, while the rate of schizophrenia stayed the same.


weed does however have a withdrawal like many psychoactive drugs.

:cheers:



i'm off the same opinion, so when you say i'm completely wrong, it's kinda stupid. but ok. :shrug:


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    #19203567 - 11/29/13 04:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think once weed is legalized and we can have more balanced strains a lot of these issues would be resolved. As we all know, they are breeding the plants for high THC concentrations and leaving the other goodies behind. With more balanced strains, the way nature intended it to be, people would experience a more mellow and forgiving high. I think people with mental illness would handle the effects much better. Without a balance in the cannabinoids the high seems really heady and not as mellow as I like. I think many people suffering from these issues related to marijuana have not been exposed to strains with high CBD concentrations and low THC concentrations.


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    #19203625 - 11/29/13 05:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Akira, you are way too easy to troll. I made a simple half sarcastic comment in someone's thread and you go  on a multiple page outburst, then make your own thread to cry in for 10 pages about how you don't even know what you're talking about.


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    #19203640 - 11/29/13 05:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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    #19204222 - 11/29/13 09:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

it always makes me sad when someone is discounted simply by the amount of words they use.

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Yeah i have a tendency of rushing through something when reading it. :dawerp:


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    #19204967 - 11/29/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Akira, you are way too easy to troll. I made a simple half sarcastic comment in someone's thread and you go  on a multiple page outburst, then make your own thread to cry in for 10 pages about how you don't even know what you're talking about.



LOL, that's what this thread is about. i thought it was about telling people who think things that are obviously wrong, and telling them to get it straight before they open their yaps.

see, i knew this thread would still be here. good. you guys still need your lessons.  :whip:

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Your run on sentences drive me nuts.



looks like someone's getting annoyed by words on the internet.

PS: stateofmind, don't worry about it. i've got my detractors, and shit; i'm used to it.

but boy, people who don't understand how dr00gs work, are some pretty... well, lets just say, they should be doing drugs dr00gs with their lack of understanding.


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    #19205091 - 11/29/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

but you're the one who is wrong.

as i've stated before there is still alot of mystery in how drugs work, and how mental problems work.

If professionals who devote their lives to these questions don't have definitive answers, why do you believe you do?

akira u know i love you, but you're totally just making shit up.

i wasn't going to comment, but someone earlier said they read i study saying psychedelics don't cause mental problems.  In my own life i've seen people go from fine to seriously delusional in the span of one trip.

i've never seen anyone have permanent problems from weed, but i've seen bizarre weed freakouts where the people decided it "must have been laced with pcp" which we all know doesn't happen.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: teamkiller]
    #19205121 - 11/29/13 02:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

professionals DO have the answers and the answers are that there is no definitive link between Marijuana "causing" mental conditions, it's just a plain fact. if you want, you can read the part of the thread where i put up the data regarding the subject.

NO CAUSE FROM WEED. just EXACERBATION of PRE-DISPOSED conditions... even the only user who posted in here WITH any apparently mental disorder (as he states it himself) agrees with the oh so obvious findings.

whatever, this isn't my battle anymore. i've provided the facts, it's up to the rest of you to determine for yourselves, from the facts that freely available for your viewing at any time. you guys can keep arguing, i've already given you the assessments, proof, and arguments to settle. there is no more... :shrug: i can't just keep repeating myself, hoping that you or whoever can understand the facts of PRE-DISPOSED genetic genetic conditions, and personality disorders. that's what everyone is arguing about here (other then the completely ludicrous "Marijuana Withdrawal" argument, which i also put it in it's place; Withdrawal DOES NOT = AFTER EFFECTS)

there is simply no connection... because of Marijuana's "hallucinogenic" properties, it's clearly indicated by doctors and even "weed guru's" alike, that if you suffer from any pre-eminent mental condition or personality disorder, that you should cease all use immediately because Marijuana can increase the symptoms and effects of said disorders; which the user ALREADY HAS.

but it doesn't "GIVE YOU THE DISORDER OR CONDITION" though, because that's how the body, brain and the drug works.

it's so goddamn simple. (and people wonder why i have to type long winding sentences... because i have TO KEEP REPEATING THE OBVIOUS)

"i'm totally making shit up" - so i guess all the doctors who back me up with their obvious findings, they're making shit up too, right? but not you guys?

:lol: then provide me proof of your findings and i'll get back to you. until then, the fact remains that if you believe this nonsense then you're just going to get shot down and referred to the data which obviously proves my side of the argument.

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    #19205199 - 11/29/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Any proof the opposing argument has is simply conspiracy/irrelevant.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19205331 - 11/29/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

"some dumbasses thought they got crazy, so we got a bunch of crazy people for our studies and we found that Marijuana can make you crazy; true story"



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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: teamkiller]
    #19205381 - 11/29/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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i wasn't going to comment, but someone earlier said they read i study saying psychedelics don't cause mental problems.  In my own life i've seen people go from fine to seriously delusional in the span of one trip.







again, recent studies show no connection between psychedelics and mental disorders.

http://www.thelocal.no/20130822/no-link-between-lsd-and-mental-problems-say-norway-researchers

What you saw was more than likely psychosis. sometimes this psychosis is pervasive. sometimes it manifests as HPPD, which comes in a varying degree.


There are no known lasting physiological effects from LSD.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: 404]
    #19205418 - 11/29/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

ah yes, but wouldn't ANYONE qualify as being predisposed to any number of neurotic tendencies? and if psychedelics were to exacerbate certain tendencies, that would make anyone at risk of exhibiting any type of neurotic behavior. not that people don't anyway, even without drugs. in fact i happen to think there are more neurotic people who are non-drug users.

as for schizophrenia and psychosis or whatever, those are also exacerbated neurotic tendencies, just of an unusual sort which exhibits unusual behavior and perception. no biggie. you can get that from an LSD trip and they call it "mimicked psychosis" or something. if it's permanent then hey! you were predisposed to it anyway, get used to it. there wasn't really any way preventing it, because it was going to be expressed at some point anyway, at least now it won't be repressed.

schizophrenia is characterized by a dissociation of congruence in external stimuli.

there's a place for schizophrenics and it's not in the loony bin. it's in front of a computer.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: teamkiller]
    #19205432 - 11/29/13 03:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

it seems that people don't understand how weak-minded some people can be.

have you guys ever heard of serial murderer's or rapist's? or dictatorship? or the nuclear bomb? or Nanking? or any number of instantly recognizable names of words that would define a generation of killing, torture and massacre?

there is much worse things that people do and feel, that have nothing to do with drugs and everything to do with psychosis, thought disorder, and general insanity... so when you guys try and tell people that Marijuana "makes people crazy" or that psychedelics "can make you crazy", then you're really only justifying the course of action of most of the socio-political underpinnings in your lives, which control you and essential try to erase you.

:shrug:

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ah yes, but wouldn't ANYONE qualify as being predisposed to any number of neurotic tendencies? and if psychedelics were to exacerbate certain tendencies, that would make anyone at risk of exhibiting any type of neurotic behavior. not that people don't anyway, even without drugs. in fact i happen to think there are more neurotic people who are non-drug users.




my point exactly^

if you take drugs and they exacerbate symptoms of thought disorders or any medical condition, you may be suffering from, that you should seek mediate attention and STOP using drugs.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #19205483 - 11/29/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

this website isn't important enough to merit a shill.

nobody has or ever will give a fuck about this place when making any kind of policy, for anything.


...but that does sound like something  shill would say :strokebeard:


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: NWlight]
    #19205782 - 11/29/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

honestly, i just heard people calling people shills in this PE thread and then i just called him out on "his shilliness" -- which by i just meant, "silliness", (play on words) regarding to that PE "I Hate Marijuana" thread that Little D was also in...

he kinda carried that argument to that thread i posted earlier in this thread... and you can see it right after the OP.

so i drug it back to him, the argument that makes more sense anyways.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19205797 - 11/29/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Akira, you are way too easy to troll. I made a simple half sarcastic comment in someone's thread and you go  on a multiple page outburst, then make your own thread to cry in for 10 pages about how you don't even know what you're talking about.



LOL, that's what this thread is about. i thought it was about telling people who think things that are obviously wrong, and telling them to get it straight before they open their yaps.

see, i knew this thread would still be here. good. you guys still need your lessons.  :whip:

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Your run on sentences drive me nuts.



looks like someone's getting annoyed by words on the internet.

PS: stateofmind, don't worry about it. i've got my detractors, and shit; i'm used to it.

but boy, people who don't understand how dr00gs work, are some pretty... well, lets just say, they should be doing drugs dr00gs with their lack of understanding.






Just hit ignore.



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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #19205804 - 11/29/13 05:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

OP go back to smoking green.. we miss you.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19205813 - 11/29/13 05:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Bill_Oreilly said:
Just hit ignore.



:peace:


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nah, i don't mind drawing this out.

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OP go back to smoking green.. we miss you.



:flowstone: i am smoking green.

why don't you guys just hide the thread? :shrug: then you don't have to see it anymore. :datass:


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19205839 - 11/29/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Any proof the opposing argument has is simply conspiracy/irrelevant.





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    #19206757 - 11/29/13 10:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Any proof the opposing argument has is simply conspiracy/irrelevant.





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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Endure]
    #19206787 - 11/29/13 10:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: 404]
    #19207084 - 11/30/13 12:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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i wasn't going to comment, but someone earlier said they read i study saying psychedelics don't cause mental problems.  In my own life i've seen people go from fine to seriously delusional in the span of one trip.







again, recent studies show no connection between psychedelics and mental disorders.

http://www.thelocal.no/20130822/no-link-between-lsd-and-mental-problems-say-norway-researchers

What you saw was more than likely psychosis. sometimes this psychosis is pervasive. sometimes it manifests as HPPD, which comes in a varying degree.


There are no known lasting physiological effects from LSD.





ur article is bullshit mate. i dunno maybe read it.

akira i love you so i'm not gonna argue with you.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Shroomism]
    #19213618 - 12/01/13 04:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Psychedelics (mushrooms especially) have a MUCH HIGHER capability to trigger anxiety and panic attacks and psychosis 1,000x more than marijuana. ESPECIALLY in people predisposed to those conditions. Have your schizophrenic friend eat 6 grams and get back to me.





Do you realize that you pulled this straight out of your ass?


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Epigallo]
    #19213718 - 12/01/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No, actually I didn't.

I've seen way more people have anxiety attacks from high doses of mushrooms than I have from high doses of marijuana. And I've seen way more people take high doses of marijuana than mushrooms.
I pulled that from personal experience brah.


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Shroomism]
    #19214051 - 12/01/13 06:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You're right, mushrooms can easily cause anxiety when on them. But that's no reason to state they are 1,000X more likely to cause anxiety and psychosis than marijuana. Just during the trip? Who fucking cares, you are going through something really intense. It would be weird not to feel anxious. Pot heads stay stoned all day for weeks or months at a time, the whole time living with subtle paranoia (in many cases). That's not healthy at all.

By the way, you said to give 6 grams to a schizophrenic...psychedelics have already been given to schizophrenics with excellent results.

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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Epigallo]
    #19214409 - 12/01/13 07:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

those are childhood schizo's those people have completely different problems all together


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Konyap]
    #19215274 - 12/01/13 11:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

They are children, therefore what?


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Epigallo]
    #19215566 - 12/02/13 01:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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They are children, therefore what?




Quoted for mother fucking truth!


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19217374 - 12/02/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

they were born that way


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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: Konyap]
    #19218587 - 12/02/13 06:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So you are asserting that LSD can be okay for schizophrenics only if they have had it their entire lives? And this is something we should accept without any evidence?


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    #19218874 - 12/02/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)



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