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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: teamkiller]
#19196745 - 11/27/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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LittleDipster said: I think if weed caused mental illness everyone on this forum would be absolutely insane.
oh wait... 
yaeh, why can't it just be that some people are prone to mental problems, or that some people are pre-disposed to conditions? i mean, IF weed DID cause "mental disorder" then wouldn't everyone here practically be insane?
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teamkiller said: akira i couldn't get very far through this thread, but the reason people say that is because its true.
why does didn't happen to you = doesn't happen?
how can you say that drugs aren't the root cause of psychosis in some people, when the physical mechanism of psychosis isn't understood.
its very well documented that there can be physical causes for psychosis. viruses, heavy metals, stuff like that. why couldn't weed be on that list?
because viruses and heavy metals have distinct physiological symptoms that may cause mental symptoms, but weed doesn't... weed's physiological action is so tiny, it's not AT ALL like a heavy metal build-up or viral infection; which usually messes with multiple functions in your body, depending on what virus and where it is in your body; some cancers cause mental disorder... but WEED is NONE OF THOSE THINGS. weed can't kill your liver; probably even if you injected straight THC into your liver, it still probably wouldn't harm you.
some people here need to introduce some knowledge about physiology to themselves. the biggest thing weed does is inhibit Cannabinoid receptors in your body... it's not gonna build up in your liver, or cause an infection that'll screw with your bodies system's like a virus or other types of poison.
haha, it's NOT POISON.
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What I'm saying is for those predisposed, with the genetic material that gives them a latent schizophrenia, they will more likely experience an emergence of symptoms with pot and less likely with psychedelics. When research gets into full swing they'll come to this discovery I think. I also predict that it will not cause it if you're not predisposed.
I can't see anything wrong with drug use if you're not predisposed to schizophrenia, except things like amphetamines, which I bet they will find causes depression and brain damage, since everyone I know/see on that stuff is now kind of brain damaged or depressed.
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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: circastes]
#19197419 - 11/27/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree with you but your opinions are being overshadowed by the shouting and barking in this thread. There is a DISTINCT aspect of the marijuana high that induces schizophrenia and other mental illnesses alike. You know what I mean circastes? The high itself can easily lead to the emergence of mental disorders that otherwise would have never taken hold.
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what a load of crap^ you agree with him, but then you don't because you just contradict yourself right away in the same fucking post.
dude. you're doin too much Meth.
shouting and barking. is this post here barking and shouting too?
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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#19197597 - 11/27/13 06:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well the very first time I toked, straight away, I was paranoid and delusional, right on the out-breath from the bong. All times after that, the same thing. It was just every now and then I'd be with people who smoked and I would try some, stupidly, thinking I just couldn't handle the normal high. I was quite young.
I think I know what you mean about a particular feeling with the high, but you would be able to handle it fine without the predisposition, you would be laughing and really enjoying the mildly psychedelic feeling you get from it (which I sort of picked up out of all the chaos). It wouldn't stand out as being a bad thing like it does.
Psychedelics are far more forgiving, at least mushrooms. There was a guy on bluelight who was schizophrenic and just tripped anyway, said he'd done so hundreds of times. All my experiences were good, even though I was already schizophrenic. I don't think I'll touch drugs again though. I've had enough of not knowing what the hell is happening.
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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: circastes]
#19197752 - 11/27/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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circastes said: Well the very first time I toked, straight away, I was paranoid and delusional, right on the out-breath from the bong. All times after that, the same thing. It was just every now and then I'd be with people who smoked and I would try some, stupidly, thinking I just couldn't handle the normal high. I was quite young.
I think I know what you mean about a particular feeling with the high, but you would be able to handle it fine without the predisposition, you would be laughing and really enjoying the mildly psychedelic feeling you get from it (which I sort of picked up out of all the chaos). It wouldn't stand out as being a bad thing like it does.
Psychedelics are far more forgiving, at least mushrooms. There was a guy on bluelight who was schizophrenic and just tripped anyway, said he'd done so hundreds of times. All my experiences were good, even though I was already schizophrenic. I don't think I'll touch drugs again though. I've had enough of not knowing what the hell is happening.
On the other hand I've never felt any paranoia or anxiety from marijuana or psychedelics.
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Well that's to be expected if you're not predisposed.
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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: circastes]
#19197902 - 11/27/13 07:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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circastes said: Well the very first time I toked, straight away, I was paranoid and delusional, right on the out-breath from the bong. All times after that, the same thing. It was just every now and then I'd be with people who smoked and I would try some, stupidly, thinking I just couldn't handle the normal high. I was quite young.
I think I know what you mean about a particular feeling with the high, but you would be able to handle it fine without the predisposition, you would be laughing and really enjoying the mildly psychedelic feeling you get from it (which I sort of picked up out of all the chaos). It wouldn't stand out as being a bad thing like it does.
Psychedelics are far more forgiving, at least mushrooms. There was a guy on bluelight who was schizophrenic and just tripped anyway, said he'd done so hundreds of times. All my experiences were good, even though I was already schizophrenic. I don't think I'll touch drugs again though. I've had enough of not knowing what the hell is happening.
QTF
The marijuana high will pretty much always have an underlying feeling of anxiety, paranoia, and will cause minor delusions. Psychedelics do not have this underlying feeling, which is probably why schizophrenic people can handle them easier.
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Bitter Cactus said:
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circastes said: Well the very first time I toked, straight away, I was paranoid and delusional, right on the out-breath from the bong. All times after that, the same thing. It was just every now and then I'd be with people who smoked and I would try some, stupidly, thinking I just couldn't handle the normal high. I was quite young.
I think I know what you mean about a particular feeling with the high, but you would be able to handle it fine without the predisposition, you would be laughing and really enjoying the mildly psychedelic feeling you get from it (which I sort of picked up out of all the chaos). It wouldn't stand out as being a bad thing like it does.
Psychedelics are far more forgiving, at least mushrooms. There was a guy on bluelight who was schizophrenic and just tripped anyway, said he'd done so hundreds of times. All my experiences were good, even though I was already schizophrenic. I don't think I'll touch drugs again though. I've had enough of not knowing what the hell is happening.
QTF
The marijuana high will pretty much always have an underlying feeling of anxiety, paranoia, and will cause minor delusions. Psychedelics do not have this underlying feeling, which is probably why schizophrenic people can handle them easier.
Always, for some people
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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: circastes]
#19198079 - 11/27/13 07:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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NotTheDevil said:
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circastes said: Well the very first time I toked, straight away, I was paranoid and delusional, right on the out-breath from the bong. All times after that, the same thing. It was just every now and then I'd be with people who smoked and I would try some, stupidly, thinking I just couldn't handle the normal high. I was quite young.
I think I know what you mean about a particular feeling with the high, but you would be able to handle it fine without the predisposition, you would be laughing and really enjoying the mildly psychedelic feeling you get from it (which I sort of picked up out of all the chaos). It wouldn't stand out as being a bad thing like it does.
Psychedelics are far more forgiving, at least mushrooms. There was a guy on bluelight who was schizophrenic and just tripped anyway, said he'd done so hundreds of times. All my experiences were good, even though I was already schizophrenic. I don't think I'll touch drugs again though. I've had enough of not knowing what the hell is happening.
On the other hand I've never felt any paranoia or anxiety from marijuana or psychedelics.
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circastes said: Well that's to be expected if you're not predisposed.
(i quoted the wrong post... i am high.)
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You relapsed? Is it nice to have the withdrawals over and done with?
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i deff am fucked but oh well.. ill quit today and ill post advancements ig
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Bitter Cactus said: You relapsed? Is it nice to have the withdrawals over and done with?
nah, it told you already man. i don't get 'em. maybe i will in the future and you'll be right about everything. 
or maybe nothing will happen all the same... and you'll just be another dude who made up his own ideas about what's real, and i just followed the trail of reason to the matter of facts and rationality.
either way, i don't give a flying fuck what you think, because you've proven to be a thorn in my spine, and quite ambiguous to your proving of the matter at hand for you.
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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#19198409 - 11/27/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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what does a virus or heavy metals fucking up your liver have to do with causing mental disorders?
a) mental problems can have physical causes. b) mental problems can arise from physical causes without predisposition. c) the mechanism and causes of mental disorders are not fully understood. d) the full effects of weed on the body are not fully understood e) there appears to be a relationship between smoking weed and mental disorders.
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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: teamkiller] 2
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shill
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I agree with 99% of the points made by the OP (just from reading the first post plus skimming the rest) but the way you're going about it gives me intense second-hand embarrassment. When communicating with others, the way you present yourself and (your) ideas is, in my opinion, nearly as important as the information itself.
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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: praxadox]
#19198730 - 11/27/13 11:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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praxadox said: I agree with 99% of the points made by the OP (just from reading the first post plus skimming the rest) but the way you're going about it gives me intense second-hand embarrassment. When communicating with others, the way you present yourself and (your) ideas is, in my opinion, nearly as important as the information itself.
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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: praxadox]
#19198749 - 11/27/13 11:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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praxadox said: I agree with 99% of the points made by the OP (just from reading the first post plus skimming the rest) but the way you're going about it gives me intense second-hand embarrassment. When communicating with others, the way you present yourself and (your) ideas is, in my opinion, nearly as important as the information itself.
yeah, but i was pissed off from another thread, and i just thought i'd nip this whole bullshit "Marijuana CAN BE BAD" slogan in the bud.
PS: and by pissed off i mean, "fuck that shit, it's time to put and end to this".
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Bitter Cactus said: I agree with you but your opinions are being overshadowed by the shouting and barking in this thread. There is a DISTINCT aspect of the marijuana high that induces schizophrenia and other mental illnesses alike. You know what I mean circastes? The high itself can easily lead to the emergence of mental disorders that otherwise would have never taken hold.
There are a ton of drugs that can bring out mental illness in somebody predisposed.
Do you know what a biological predisposition is?
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yeah, do you?
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