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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: akira_akuma] 2
#19190171 - 11/26/13 01:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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just so you know akira, this is the definition of shill.
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A shill, also called a plant or a stooge, is a person who publicly helps a person or organization without disclosing that they have a close relationship with the person or organization.
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so i thought you were a shill? so? i said shilliness. it was a joke. as in SILLINESS.
a single conjunctive verb should not make for such a masquerade of following the actual discussion or facts behind the debate. such as in that other thread.
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this is the pub. discussion = fruitless.
ignorance is bliss, i guess. 
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Endure said: im one of these that keep smoking while i feel like ive gotten schizoprenicish, im confident ill be fine a couple months when i quit though lol.. i believe itj ust keeps you in a weak mindstate, most people would be fine after awhile given they fight for it.
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BECAUSE YOU ALREADY ARE DEPRESSED, OR ANXIOUS, OR CRAZY!
a person who feels they are schizophrenic, "believes" that the drug they smoke consistently "keeps them weak-minded".

you are already of a weak mind because you might have schizophrenia, and are self medicating. seek professional help, and stop smoking weed. YOU.. ARE... THE... PROBLEM.
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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: akira_akuma] 3
#19190245 - 11/26/13 02:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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OP, thanks for quoting me earlier. Just so you know the marijuana withdrawals, side effects as you like to call them (lol you are in denial bro) are probably still effecting you. I think we should be educating the public about the positive AND negative aspects of the drug which you avoid like the plague. Denial much? Anyways, the reason marijuana provokes the onset of potential mental disorders, that would have otherwise not necessarily been activated, is because of it's profound effect on the brain. THC is a strong chemical in of itself, and without being balanced with enough CBD, which has the antipsychotic effects it's no wonder users are being faced with these negative effects from using the drug. Ask any schizophrenic which drug is the worst for their disorder. They can handle most other drugs fine. The second weed is introduced into the equation it is a whole different subject. Their voices can get way louder almost immediately, hallucinations multiply, paranoia through the rough, anxiety spikes, panic attacks, isolation. The plant is not as tame as you would have though. Weed is a strong high for what you would expect. Marijuana psychosis is a real thing. I think just the way the drug works and effects the mind, whether or not your studies make the connection, is simply bad for anyone with any mental disorder.
The beautiful thing is OP, that most of the people that end up getting depersonalization, derealization, schizophrenia, HPPD, whatever from weed never knew they were predisposed to it before. I personally find that out of all the drugs I have taken weed is the worst for itching at these predispositions and makes quick work of bringing them to the surface. You are gonna post some bs argument but in the end it all comes down to the fact nobody knows if they are predisposed. I would rather give a schizophrenic some vicoden, xanax, maybe even molly, low dose psilocybin, kratom, caffeine, a lot of drug types over cannabinoids. Synthetic cannabinoids felt like a panic attack/ psychotic break in a powder for me so don't even get me started brother. It's just the "omg weed is our savior it can do no wrong everyone who hates it is brainwashed" thing is getting really old OP and it's time to face the facts.
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i stopped reading your post because you seriously aren't getting it. (and saying i'm having weed effect me when i've been just fine without it for awhile, proves your assertion to be dead wrong, and just an assumption.)
Withdrawl is not SIDE EFFECTS. they are both DIFFERENT THINGS. you can't understand this concept, hence, you are not fit to be posting on this subject. though, you may carry on as you will, because you assume that you're correct.
i am going to attempt to explain what side effects mean, maybe you'll get it, if i just pound it into your head.
Side Effects. SIDE effect. A SIDE effect, is an effect COUNTER-INDICATED by the essential effects of the drug... a SIDE EFFECT, would include feeling a lack of appetite from having done a a drug that causes a rise in appetite, or having a grumpy demeanor, after taking a drug that makes you happy.
THESE are SIDE EFFECTS. (which you keep meandering over to)
A WITHDRAWL is NOT that. a WITHDRAWL is a major (or minor) incident upon ceasing a drug after prolonged use, which causes MEDICAL SYMPTOMS, such as Headache, Nausea, Fatigue, Sweats, Pain, ect... ect...
THAT IS A WITHDRAWL. stop getting them confused, do us both a favor.
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I personally find that out of all the drugs I have taken weed is the worst for itching at these predispositions and makes quick work of bringing them to the surface
i will address this as it leads to my main point.
you guys say that people WILL IN FACT become more predisposed to a medical disorder, BECAUSE you smoke weed.
I SAY, it's because take weed to lightly and underestimate it's effects on the psyche over time, especially if you are prone to believing that it could possibly "drive you" to having these conditions or disorders.
which is your point, right?
well, it's not AN EFFECT of weed, it's an effect YOU COERCE by making sustained changes to your brain chemistry, without taking heed of the possible dangers of constantly and consistently dosing yourself with drugs. it's YOUR irresponsibility that causes you to think that you're not already predisposed to mental illness, to begin with.
it's YOUR EFFECT. not the weeds.
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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: akira_akuma] 3
#19190268 - 11/26/13 02:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Withdrawl is not SIDE EFFECTS
that's exactly what BC is trying to say when he says
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marijuana withdrawals, side effects as you like to call them
because you seem to be confusing the two.
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decreased appetite is a withdrawal symptom. Increased appetite is a side effect of weed. When people stop smoking they aren't as hungry.
This isn't that difficult.
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how in the flying fuck am i confusing the two. i just explained to you a million times what constitutes a "SIDE EFFECT" and what constitutes "A WITHDRAWL".
weed has tiniest effects on thinking, and physiology; so it'd be easy to assume that because you are GETTING SIDE EFFECTS, that you are going through WITHDRAWL FROM WEED.
a withdrawl from weed at the most, would be cravings, and irritability from said cravings. that's it. that's as far as Marijuna withdrawl goes. now MIX THAT with the THE SIDE EFFECTS, and you got a pretty shitty day and some confused people. though after that day... you might still be going through withdrawl, but if you stay OFF THE WEED, the SIDE EFFECTS from the weed will subside, and you will be left with nothing, but at the least, cravings.
it's a mental game, and the "stoner" lost... but that doesn't mean that you're going through withdrawl. you can try a thousand different ways, and the conclusion will still be THE SAME.
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LittleDipster said: decreased appetite is a withdrawal symptom. Increased appetite is a side effect of weed. When people stop smoking they aren't as hungry.
This isn't that difficult.
no, that would be it's intended effect. the side effect is the lack of appetite, after it's intended effect, which is why it's called SIDE EFFECT. (you could argue that hunger is a side effect, as well, but it's it's intended effect as well.)
a withdrawl effect would be Vomitting, Diarrhea, Constipation, Nausea ect... that'd be a withdrawl effect from having lack of sufficient ability to counter-act these effects, from lack of a particular substance in your body.
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Re: anti-Marijuana Shills [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#19190286 - 11/26/13 03:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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weed intensifies my DP/DR by 100. I dont blame weed for causing it but it certainly makes it worse
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that's because weed intensifies.
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(you could argue that it's hunger is a side effect, as well, but it's it's intended effect as well.)
yeah not everyone wants an increased appetite.
side effects last while you are on the drug, not after you stop. If you are getting effects from stopping a drug, that's called a withdrawal symptom.
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anyone ever smoke weed and NOT feel hungry after? well, that's because lack of appetite is a common SIDE EFFECT from smoking weed; also Nausea is a common SIDE EFFECT too, and is counter-indicated by the initial intended effect of smoking weed to make one hungry... that is why these things are called SIDE EFFECTS
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(you could argue that it's hunger is a side effect, as well, but it's it's intended effect as well.)
yeah not everyone wants an increased appetite.
side effects last while you are on the drug, not after you stop. If you are getting effects from stopping a drug, that's called a withdrawal symptom.
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Other symptoms reported by researchers include appetite change,
note: appetite CHANGE. not a complete lacking of appetite.
even the internet says you're wrong, what more proof do you need?
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_effects.shtml
note the after effects listing.
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a quick google search will give you the most common withdrawal symptoms for weed.
-Craving for Marijuana -Mood Swings -Sleep Disruption - others include appetite change, weight loss, weight gain, digestion problems, cramps or nausea after eating.
these are all VERY MILD, but that isn't the point. They are still withdrawal symptoms
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and is counter-indicated by the initial intended effect of smoking weed to make on hungry... that is why these things are called SIDE EFFECTS
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and i've attested to at least four of those being SIDE EFFECTS; and being commonly confused as withdrawl symptoms; as when someone is going to go (or is going) through withdrawl, they are immediately ceasing the drug which causes said withdrawl. it's not like you stop, and then withdrawls come a week or month later. they happen immediately after ceasing prolonged use. withdrawls intermingle with the after effects and side effects of the drug.
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and is counter-indicated by the initial intended effect of smoking weed to make on hungry... that is why these things are called SIDE EFFECTS

as i've said, you can call hunger a "side effect" but we all know (for medicinal use and recreational use) it is more commonly known as an INTENDED EFFECT of the drug.
it you want to use your argument, you can say all effects from drugs are side effects, which makes futile your point, right off the bat, anway.
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That's what I'm saying. Immediately after stopping weed there are common withdrawal symptoms, like the ones listed. I'm not talking about the side effects. I can't get any more clear than this. You seem to just be really confused.
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Here is the definition of side effects.
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(drug side effect) An often undesirable effect that occurs in association with the use of a particular medication. Examples of common drug side effects include: nausea, vomiting, sedation, dizziness, headache and weakness
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We live in the age of information. There's no point dealing with these people, they are clearly irrational and close-minded, so why bother? You and millions of others know the truth, and that's fine. Don't let it get to you, maintain that weed-smoking stereotype
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