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Enlil
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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: DieCommie]
#19191603 - 11/26/13 11:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree, but you and I have been down this road several times, and it always ends up in the same place. We get to an impasse wherein you claim that something is a "human right" based on your own a priori determination, and I counter with "no, it isn't" based on my a priori determination.
There's really no point in rehashing the same nonsense over and over.
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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: Enlil]
#19191618 - 11/26/13 11:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I hold these truths to be self evident... that all humans have a right to experiment with their own consciousness without fear of persecution in the workplace and beyond.
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Enlil
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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: DieCommie]
#19191625 - 11/26/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cool. I disagree that refusing to hire someone is persecution regardless of the reason.
So here we sit...at impasse once again.
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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: Enlil]
#19191656 - 11/26/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Yeah, make the poor lady feel bad for doing her job properly as he cheats on his drug test 
"Just doing my job" is never a satisfactory excuse for disenfranchising people from their human rights.
She doesn't make the laws/company polices.....im sure all the employees know the rules of random drug-testing at their own job.
I've failed a drug test, the first thing I blamed was myself because I knew the rules and I broke em....whether I agree morally is an entirely different matter.
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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: Pureless]
#19191670 - 11/26/13 12:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pureless said: I've failed a drug test, the first thing I blamed was myself because I knew the rules and I broke em....whether I agree morally is an entirely different matter.
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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: Enlil] 1
#19191797 - 11/26/13 12:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Cool. I disagree that refusing to hire someone is persecution regardless of the reason.
So you think it's fair that hiring decisions can be made based solely on the sex, race, or sexual orientation? That's sickening and says a lot about your character.
I'm glad that this type of discrimination is illegal in Canada.
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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: pwnasaurus] 1
#19191809 - 11/26/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Advocating that people be forced to hire someone shows yours.
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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: pwnasaurus] 2
#19191835 - 11/26/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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So you think it's fair that hiring decisions can be made based solely on the sex, race, or sexual orientation? That's sickening and says a lot about your character.
I'm glad that this type of discrimination is illegal in Canada.
It's illegal to discriminate based on sex or race in the U.S., but some states allow discrimination based on sexual orientation.
I don't think people should discriminate based on sex, race, sexual orientation, or butt size, but I think people should have the freedom to do so if they want. Ultimately, they will pay the price for it.
Basing hiring decisions on anything other than business needs is inefficient, and it leaves better employees for the competition to scoop up. Any company that hires poorly will have a disadvantage, and will suffer as a result. In a free market, competition will eventually trump discrimination.
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luvdemshrooms said: Advocating that people be forced to hire someone shows yours.
I advocated that they should be forced to hire the best candidate for the position without being a bigot. What exactly does that show?
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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: pwnasaurus]
#19191879 - 11/26/13 12:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It shows that you're okay with forcing other people to make decisions based on what YOU deem to be important.
Are you okay with me forcing you not to use weed because I deem sobriety to be important?
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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: Enlil]
#19191883 - 11/26/13 12:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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pwnasaurus said:
So you think it's fair that hiring decisions can be made based solely on the sex, race, or sexual orientation? That's sickening and says a lot about your character.
I'm glad that this type of discrimination is illegal in Canada.
It's illegal to discriminate based on sex or race in the U.S., but some states allow discrimination based on sexual orientation.
I don't think people should discriminate based on sex, race, sexual orientation, or butt size, but I think people should have the freedom to do so if they want. Ultimately, they will pay the price for it.
Basing hiring decisions on anything other than business needs is inefficient, and it leaves better employees for the competition to scoop up. Any company that hires poorly will have a disadvantage, and will suffer as a result. In a free market, competition will eventually trump discrimination.
Polls have shown that the majority of American think weed should be legalized. And yet people are still going to jail over pot every single day. Does that mean it's OK to throw these people in jail because eventually the policies will come around?
I agree that in the LONG run free market competition will trump discrimination but it is unfair to people who are alive right now to have to wait for that to happen. It could be several generations before biases against gays, blacks, women, and other minorities are eliminated. You don't think some government intervention is warranted to allow for equal opportunity? I'm not for second suggesting anything like affirmative action, as that is biased in the other direction.
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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: Enlil]
#19191893 - 11/26/13 12:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: It shows that you're okay with forcing other people to make decisions based on what YOU deem to be important.
Are you okay with me forcing you not to use weed because I deem sobriety to be important?
It has nothing to do with what I deem important. It is about giving every person, regardless of race, sexual orientation, sex, religion, and beliefs, an equal opportunity when these characteristics are irrelevant to the position at hand. If you don't deem treating all human beings as equals important then I cannot possibly change your opinion on this matter.
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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: pwnasaurus]
#19191906 - 11/26/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you used fake piss and it came back for barbs then I smell someone suspicious of you and was trying to get you to say something on the spot. As long as quick fix is identical to real piss you should be fine.. sounds more like a scare to tell tactic.
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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: pwnasaurus]
#19191916 - 11/26/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: Advocating that people be forced to hire someone shows yours.
I advocated that they should be forced to hire the best candidate for the position without being a bigot. What exactly does that show?
It shows your OK with using force to get your way.
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Enlil
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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: pwnasaurus]
#19191931 - 11/26/13 01:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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pwnasaurus said: It has nothing to do with what I deem important. It is about giving every person, regardless of race, sexual orientation, sex, religion, and beliefs, an equal opportunity when these characteristics are irrelevant to the position at hand. If you don't deem treating all human beings as equals important then I cannot possibly change your opinion on this matter.
Stop putting words in my mouth. Of course I think treating all human beings as equal is important.
I just don't think that I should be able to force that belief on someone else. Why should a racist be forced to write a check to someone he hates? I don't like racism at all, but racists have every right to think the way they do just like Christians have every right to believe in mythical sky wizards.
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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: Enlil]
#19192863 - 11/26/13 04:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I want to be able to smoke weed and keep my job. It might even make sense to me that people who run a business should have the right to hire and fire as they please. But since I don't own a business I don't give a fuck about that right. Just like they don't give a fuck about my right to go home and blaze. Surprise. I care more about myself than I do a bunch of corporate assfucks. I support any law that limits their freedom and expands mine. In fact, I think there should be affirmative action that they HAVE to hire a certain number of stoners. Why the fuck would I give a shit about the rights of these rich ass fucks when they've been bending over backward to ruin my life since I was fucking born? Fuck those rich ass republican pieces of shit. In a real free market I could sell fucking weed. How about that? Fucking libertarian bullshit.
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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: Gorlax]
#19192921 - 11/26/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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well they placed me on leave until the results get back from the lab so im not sure it was simply a scare tactic and on top of that i never admitted to any use of anything
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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: nksfo5]
#19192926 - 11/26/13 04:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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nksfo5 said: well they placed me on leave until the results get back from the lab so im not sure it was simply a scare tactic and on top of that i never admitted to any use of anything
you're going to be fine.
Barbiturates are the most common false positive IIRC
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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: nksfo5]
#19192945 - 11/26/13 04:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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nksfo5 said: well they placed me on leave until the results get back from the lab so im not sure it was simply a scare tactic and on top of that i never admitted to any use of anything
Paid or unpaid leave?
By the way, not to be a bummer but despite the optimism you're getting that's a bad fucking sign.
Good luck, man. I know exactly how you feel.
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Enlil
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TheFakeSunRa said: I want to be able to smoke weed and keep my job. It might even make sense to me that people who run a business should have the right to hire and fire as they please. But since I don't own a business I don't give a fuck about that right. Just like they don't give a fuck about my right to go home and blaze. Surprise. I care more about myself than I do a bunch of corporate assfucks. I support any law that limits their freedom and expands mine. In fact, I think there should be affirmative action that they HAVE to hire a certain number of stoners. Why the fuck would I give a shit about the rights of these rich ass fucks when they've been bending over backward to ruin my life since I was fucking born? Fuck those rich ass republican pieces of shit. In a real free market I could sell fucking weed. How about that? Fucking libertarian bullshit.
U mad bro?
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