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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: DieCommie]
    #19191241 - 11/26/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If you say so.

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You have an odd definition of persecution.

As the employer could fire you for testing positive, it has quite a bit to do with the law.


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: Magicman69]
    #19191252 - 11/26/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

well it was not only her but also three other individuals up the corprate ladder that came and checked it as well


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: nksfo5]
    #19191268 - 11/26/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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well it was not only her but also three other individuals up the corprate ladder that came and checked it as well




Tell them you dont even know what barbiturates are. Maybe show them this: http://www.norchemlab.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Barbiturates-facts.pdf

Explain how most barbiturates are short-acting and that its ridiculous how you tested positive. Then say how they aren't even around anymore.

Or just hold strong and don't argue, just say you've never taken em. Ask for a re-test.


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: Enlil]
    #19191269 - 11/26/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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If an employer wants to surround himself with mets fans, he should be able to do that.




And that employer would be worthy of contempt.  Any claim that he or his employees are "just doing their job" while seeking out and firing non-mets fans is bogus.  It doesnt matter if its their job, it doesnt matter if its legal, its persecution and they are scumbags for it.  This is why I reject your claim that the lady is "just doing her job" as though that is an excuse for anything.  Its not.  She should feel bad for doing her job properly.  She is a bad person doing bad things.


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: psi]
    #19191287 - 11/26/13 10:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Are barbiturates actually available anymore?
I know it's a moot point, but I've never came across this besides when I was dosed before kidney stone surgery.




Phenobarbital is still used in epilepsy.



and withdrawal treatment

i've been prescribed it multiple times


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: DieCommie]
    #19191289 - 11/26/13 10:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

And I disagree with just about everything in that post. 

The employer may be worthy of many things, including contempt...but that doesn't make it persecution to choose employees based on one's own biases.


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: Enlil]
    #19191299 - 11/26/13 10:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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...but that doesn't make it persecution to choose employees based on one's own biases.




Thats exactly what persecution is.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/persecution
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/persecuted


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: DieCommie]
    #19191306 - 11/26/13 10:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

All of your definitions including the word "persecuting" in the definition.  I reject your claim that choosing employees is persecuting anyone.

And your additional link from the edit requires "oppress or harass with ill-treatment."  Choosing employees isn't oppression or harassment.


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: Enlil]
    #19191322 - 11/26/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Simply choosing isnt of course.  Its when you fire or dont hire based on non-job related characteristics.  Its pretty simply really.  Not hired because you cant read and the job requires reading?  Not persecution.  Fired because you are not a mets fan and the job has nothing to do with sports?  Persecution.

My claim is that "just doing my job" is not a valid excuse for harassing or oppressing people and giving them ill-treatment messing up their lives and livelihood.


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: DieCommie]
    #19191333 - 11/26/13 10:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Simply choosing isnt of course.  Its when you fire or dont hire based on non-job related characteristics.  Its pretty simply really.  Not hired because you cant read and the job requires reading?  Not persecution.  Fired because you are not a mets fan and the job has nothing to do with sports?  Persecution.

My claim is that "just doing my job" is not a valid excuse for harassing people and giving them ill-treatment messing up their lives and livelihood.



Completely agree. If a certain characteristic prevented you from doing your job, for example you worked in the front-office of the Mets doing hiring, but hated the team and were an avid Yankees fan, that might cloud your judgement and prevent you from doing that job properly.

On the other hand, if you work in a factory and are a Yankee fan but the boss is a Mets fan, it is completely irrelevant to the position and it would be persecution to hire / fire employees based on that trait.  I'm fairly sure these discrimination laws are in place in Canada at a federal level.

The states is fucked up on so many levels.


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: DieCommie]
    #19191335 - 11/26/13 10:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Not hiring someone isn't harassment or oppression, so it doesn't matter what the reason is.

And firing someone is functionally equivalent to simply not hiring them for the next day.

No one is owed employment at all, much less at a particular employer.

I agree that "just doing my job" is not an excuse for doing the wrong thing.  I don't agree that making employment decisions based on a person's drug use is doing the wrong thing....at least in the moral sense.


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: Enlil]
    #19191404 - 11/26/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

OP they do the gc/ms analysis on site at your job? I've never heard of that before. they usually send me out to some hospital campus or a different building somewhere to a company that specializes in this kind of thing.

I couldn't agree with you more DieCommie, corporations own us in modern America. Urine analysis is a joke and I encourage everyone to cheat these piece of shit tests regardless of whether or not you're even dirty. It's just downright demeaning to have to pee in a cup on a boss's whim with absolutely no reason one way or another to assume I have any trouble oncesoever with drugs.

Just remember; CEO's don't take drug tests. Politicians don't take drug tests. Just working class Americans, gettin' fucked as per usual.


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #19191438 - 11/26/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i truely didnt know what barbituates where until i asked them and they told me
i think my only option is waiting for the lab results and a possible retest


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: nksfo5]
    #19191450 - 11/26/13 11:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That's screwed up, man. You didn't mix the Quick Fix with anything right? Just straight Quick Fix out of the bottle in to the cup? What website did you buy it off of? I've used it quite a bit and I know others who use it, so far it's been 100% success rate.


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: nksfo5]
    #19191478 - 11/26/13 11:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah cause business practices should trump an individuals fundamental right to his/her own consciousness and how they choose to alter it in their free time :rolleyes:

Only when they are intoxicated AT work should it become a terminable offense.

Arguing this is pretty telling.


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: chutney]
    #19191520 - 11/26/13 11:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Arguing it is pretty silly, actually.  What is and isn't a "human right" is simply a matter of opinion, and the law in this area is crystal clear and has been for decades.


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: chutney]
    #19191534 - 11/26/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i didnt buy it from a website the sinclair down the street from my house actually sells it inside for 20 bucks thats where i got it from
and no i didnt mix it with anything it was premixed unisex synthetic urine by quick fix
and yes they test us right on plant because we are 30 miles away from the closest city let alone the hospital


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: Enlil]
    #19191543 - 11/26/13 11:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Arguing it is pretty silly, actually.  What is and isn't a "human right" is simply a matter of opinion, and the law in this area is crystal clear and has been for decades.




Why does this matter?  Because its been law for decades we shouldn't bother arguing it?  I know you dont believe that.


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Re: Quick Fix ----- FAIL [Re: DieCommie]
    #19191552 - 11/26/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It matters because there's no point in discussing the legality of it since that is already clear, and there's no point in discussing the morality of it since that is strictly a matter of opinion.

You're obviously never going to change your mind...or my mind.


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    #19191588 - 11/26/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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It matters because there's no point in discussing the legality of it since that is already clear, and there's no point in discussing the morality of it since that is strictly a matter of opinion.

You're obviously never going to change your mind...or my mind.




But with that logic there is no point in discussing anything.  Yes, its a matter of opinion.  Thats what forums like this are, discussing matters of opinion.  I have and will change my mind on a variety of topics as a result of discussion, including this one.  I'm grateful for the free thinkers that called me out over the years in discussions like this.  Its in the fires of discussion and challenge of debate that we forge worthwhile opinions.


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