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not smoking marijuana
    #19188795 - 11/25/13 07:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So I haven't smoked any marijuana in over two weeks. I just moved to a new area don't know anyone and can't find any heads. My dreams have been so vivid they are waking me up all night long and my attitude is shitty. The only other time I've had dreams like this was in jail which puts you in a shitty attitude any ways. I've been smoking concisely scenes I 14 and I'm know 35 it's starting to drive me nutty. Has anyone else ever had this problem.  :wow:  :ganja:


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: TiN 42] * 2
    #19188809 - 11/25/13 07:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

yeah its pretty common but a lot of people don't like to talk about it cause pot is the best thing ever and not addictive at all


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: LittleDipster]
    #19188846 - 11/25/13 08:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If you can't find weed on the streets you seriously need to just try harder.. Ask ANYONE because half of the population smokes.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
    #19188862 - 11/25/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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not smoking marijuana




Looks like it's time to man up.

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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: LittleDipster]
    #19188888 - 11/25/13 08:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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yeah its pretty common but a lot of people don't like to talk about it cause pot is the best thing ever and not addictive at all



the guy has been smoking non-stop for 25 years... it's also common for people to become irritable when they don't do what they've been doing for twenty years regardless of the particular item or event.

so... your shilliness isn't necessary.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: XUL]
    #19188892 - 11/25/13 08:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I hate bars but drunks like to talk.

my favorite thing to do in a new area is ask if it is a medical MJ state even if I know, its a nice way to break the ice imo.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19188921 - 11/25/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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yeah its pretty common but a lot of people don't like to talk about it cause pot is the best thing ever and not addictive at all



the guy has been smoking non-stop for 25 years... it's also common for people to become irritable when they don't do what they've been doing for twenty years regardless of the particular item or event.

so... your shilliness isn't necessary.




Yeah, you're right. Still, when you smoke all the time and suddenly stop I believe there are minor withdrawal symptoms like lack of appetite, lack of sleep, irritability, and maybe a few others. It doesn't have to be for years either, can be just a few weeks to a few months in my experience.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: XUL]
    #19188976 - 11/25/13 08:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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not smoking marijuana




Looks like it's time to man up.

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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: unknown1123]
    #19188989 - 11/25/13 08:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

How about you sober up?


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: LittleDipster]
    #19188998 - 11/25/13 08:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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yeah its pretty common but a lot of people don't like to talk about it cause pot is the best thing ever and not addictive at all



it can be psychologically addicting, but anything can, it's not physically addicting.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: LittleDipster] * 1
    #19189005 - 11/25/13 08:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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LittleDipster said:
yeah its pretty common but a lot of people don't like to talk about it cause pot is the best thing ever and not addictive at all



the guy has been smoking non-stop for 25 years... it's also common for people to become irritable when they don't do what they've been doing for twenty years regardless of the particular item or event.

so... your shilliness isn't necessary.




Yeah, you're right. Still, when you smoke all the time and suddenly stop I believe there are minor withdrawal symptoms like lack of appetite, lack of sleep, irritability, and maybe a few others. It doesn't have to be for years either, can be just a few weeks to a few months in my experience.



I agree with your original statement, there's big time denial around here that any kind of addiction to marijuana is possible or that withdrawal symptoms exist and can be unpleasant for some. Acknowledging that is not "shilling" unless someone is secretly paying you to pretend to hold that opinion.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: psi]
    #19189081 - 11/25/13 09:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

no one is denying that there are after effects of taking drugs. boy, some of you people are shills.

no one is denying that a DRUG (like any DRUG) is going to have side effects. OY MY FUCKING HEAD

ALL DRUGS HAVE SIDE EFFECTS.

Pot though, has some very easily manageable side effects, and YES can be addictive, sorta like how Ice Cream or washing the dishes every morning can be.

GET OVER IT.

no one will ever really say it and mean it, when they say "oh Marijuana is completely harmless" it shouldn't take a rocket scientist to realize that what they mean by that is... WAIT FOR IT...

MARIJUANA IS ONE OF THE SAFEST ILLEGAL DRUGS ON THE PLANET EVER.
PERIOD. END OF STORY. GET OVER IT.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19189111 - 11/25/13 09:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

all drugs have side effects

i can't believe there are groups of people going around to tell people that a drug has side effects. :facepalm: i seriously question you people and your brains.

can you just leave it at that. ALL DRUGS HAVE SIDE EFFECTS.

i don't know anyone in the world that would deny this ... yet you people keep saying that people say that it's not true... no one i've ever seen has ever said that. i'm lead to presume that the people who say that people say that, are just assuming that people must have cement for a brain. :rolleyes: seriously,... idiotic.

no, this isn't me defending Marijuana, it's just me defending the notion of common sense, and telling people that when you say that Marijuana has side effects, and tell people to stop denying it... i must consider you an idiot. CAUSE NO ONE IS DENYING THAT. what people are doing is constantly stating how it's really not as bad as withdrawl from most illegal (or prescription) drugs, and that if you get addicted to it, and it drives you crazy, then you need stop breathing. you're addicted. :rolleyes:

ugh, i can't stand stupidity. i can't fucking stand it.

omg... and it'll never stop neither... you PEOPLE (i almost refrain from using that word) say that other people say that nothing bad can come from Marijuana, but WHAT THEY'RE SAYING is that the side effects are MINIMAL and relatively WEAKER then most other drugs, and that IF YOU ARE ADDICTED, you've got to be the most weak willed ignorant cocksucker that ever lived, because all you gotta do it... 1: put down the pipe 2: suffer with a week of feeling "mopey" and "a lack of hunger" and maybe some "restlessness" (just like being addicted to flicking the lightswitch 17 times before you can leave the house or having to have peppermint tea before bed after doing it for 20 YEARS)

then 3: feel better

seriously... you PEOPLE (again i don't know why i...) are making far too big of a stretch, to say that people who smoke weed don't realize that their favorite drug has MINIMAL SIDE EFFECTS. what these weed lovers incur to you is that... THEY ARE MINIMAL SIDE EFFECTS, AND NOT CAUSE FOR MAJOR CONCERN. if you think they are... then don't smoke, BECAUSE YO'LL DIE.

i can't believe this retarded arrogant fucking stupid bullshit. do you PEOPLE assume just everything? ever? all the time? i'm sure you do.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19189119 - 11/25/13 09:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Some people are so blinded by their emotions. Yes, we want legal, but fuck, that shit does have side effects. I believe it induces schizophrenic mindstates, causes depersonlization/ derealization, social anxiety, and a host of other mental disorders.

Why do the weed tards never mention this?


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19189148 - 11/25/13 09:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

ok shrooms do that to... why don't the shroom tards ever warn anybody before they do shrooms that they might be in for some schizophrenia?



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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19189165 - 11/25/13 09:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Some people are so blinded by their emotions. Yes, we want legal, but fuck, that shit does have side effects. I believe it induces schizophrenic mindstates, causes depersonlization/ derealization, social anxiety, and a host of other mental disorders.

Why do the weed tards never mention this?


oh and to answer your (dumb) question... maybe because... that only happens to a certain amount of people, and is generally not what happens to most people; and that those people who get those "effects" are getting those "effects" (and by effects i mean symptoms) BECAUSE THEY ARE PREDISPOSED TO THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.

can we sticky my post, so that all of you fucking (i dunno what to call you anymore) would STFU?

"why do the weed tards never mention this OMG LIARS!"@

:rolleyes:

god, destroy this world. we don't deserve to live with stupidity this rampant. people on DRUG FORUM can't understand that all drugs have side effects, and the psychedelic drugs (especially) and otherwise, can cause PREDISPOSITIONS for other MEDICAL CONDITIONS to arise out of their use.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19189180 - 11/25/13 09:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

why do i even bother? my explanation of the 1: idiotic hypocrisy 2: the fact of drugs having side effects and 3: the fact of medical conditions being predisposed to occur in people with those conditions...

will simply go unheard, in lieu of retarded "in-fighting" and subjecting people to idiotic rhetoric about how THEY felt like they couldn't sleep or eat after smoking pot (DUH you get tired and hungry ON POT so AFTER POT you'd feel the opposite; it's called SIDE EFFECTS) or how they feel depressed, anxious or crazy on weed... BECAUSE YOU ALREADY ARE DEPRESSED, OR ANXIOUS, OR CRAZY!

can't you people get it through your skull?


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19189198 - 11/25/13 09:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i love you akira


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: k00laid]
    #19189210 - 11/25/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

oh alot of people are gonna hate on me, for telling them about drug side effects and predispositions to mental illness and anxiety.

because then the problem is their own and not "the drugs fault".


people on this forum are as ignorant sometimes, as the people who... i can't even think of a good example, because i'm starting think they are more ignorant.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: akira_akuma] * 3
    #19189234 - 11/25/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:lol: akira you get so worked up!!


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: LittleDipster]
    #19189254 - 11/25/13 09:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i really can't stand idiocy, and it spreads like wild fire.

anyone who says this GARBAGE is... foreveranidiot. :foreveralone:

you take some thing (a hypothetical drug) that say... makes you anxiety-free and makes you hungry... when you take that drug in a regimented daily use... you get used to being hungry and feeling anxiety-free... now say you stop using this drug entirely... no matter what in waht universe in whatever time in history ever, no matter if this is science fiction, the writer is gonna get a block lobbed at his head; YOU'RE GONNA FEEL ANXIOUS AND HAVE LACK OF APPETITE. WHY?

because that's the SIDE EFFECTS of taking the drug that make you feel the opposite of those very things...

and what about madness, skitz, depersonalization...? THEY'RE MEDICAL CONDITIONS. NOT AN EFFECT OF THE DRUG.

you have anyone of those things, STOP TAKING THE DRUG; because you're already PREDISPOSED to having those ailments. it can't be put any fucking clearer.

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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19189266 - 11/25/13 09:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

he sure does...look at him go!


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: claraclairvoyant]
    #19189283 - 11/25/13 09:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

trolling is the favorite shroomery pastime. just look at you go! :rolleyes:

do you think that drugs shouldn't have side effects to be considered safe? because that'd be impossible and i'd have to call you some very bad word, to let you know how little you know. or maybe you just wanna troll. either way IDGAF


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19189295 - 11/25/13 10:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

hes right doe, marijuana is safe


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #19189313 - 11/25/13 10:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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boy, some of you people are shills.




How so? Are you certain you know what the word "shill" means?


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19189316 - 11/25/13 10:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i'm not really trolling i was just agreeing with the poster that i replied to, i don't know why you're getting so worked up about what i said. and i have no strong opinions on the matter. to answer your question though, no. of course all drugs are going to have side effects.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: k00laid]
    #19189318 - 11/25/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i am not even just leaving it at that... i purely  explained out of the kindness of my heart to a bunch of *insert fucking word here* that drugs that cause an EFFECT, has A CONCURRENT SIDE EFFECT; too EVERY SINGLE EFFECT that a drug can cause; and that people can be predisposed to latent pre-existing medical conditions, that get exemplified or brought out by a drug; and that it's not really AN EFFECT OF THE DRUG, so much as it is a medical condition the PERSON HAS THEMSELF.

i'll keep repeating myself, cause this lack of insight spreads to just about all the people on this forum, i'm sure... because simple deductive reasoning doesn't exist here. in idiotland.

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i'm not really trolling i was just agreeing with the poster that i replied to, i don't know why you're getting so worked up about what i said. and i have no strong opinions on the matter. to answer your question though, no. of course all drugs are going to have side effects.



then help a brother out. explain that to people, insistently and help out a :tard:


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #19189331 - 11/25/13 10:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

not worth it :yawn:


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: psi]
    #19189341 - 11/25/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
boy, some of you people are shills.




How so? Are you certain you know what the word "shill" means?



i know what the word means it means "to be shill" or "to be intentional daft or rhetorical to provoke"

and i'd have to assume that alot of people are trolling shills, because i can't have my faith in humanity shaken so much; otherwise i might go nuts. i mean, no one can be this stupid, when having the plain facts explained to them... but apparently, i'm wrong.

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not worth it :yawn:



i'm starting to see why.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #19189368 - 11/25/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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i can't believe this retarded arrogant fucking stupid bullshit.



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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: psi]
    #19189375 - 11/25/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

good argument. now can you stop popping up in threads making stupid points about how a drug has minor side effects and how drugs can expose and make stronger latent preexisting medical disorders/conditions, and then blaming it on the drug; or are you just gonna keep doing that?

it's not the drugs fault you're a fuck up, diseased or anything. it's you. get it through your head.

oh and if you or anyone else can be as arrogant and stupid as you seem, then so can i... i'm happy to do it.. if it'll shut you rehabs up.


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    #19189393 - 11/25/13 10:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'll keep posting whatever I like, as you will I'm sure. Keep on believing you're making brilliant arguments and everyone else is an idiot. It's hilarious that you would accuse others of arrogance while you act this way.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: akira_akuma] * 3
    #19189407 - 11/25/13 10:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Keep on believing you're making brilliant arguments and everyone else is an idiot.





no one is even arguing with him, thats the best part :canthelpbutlaugh:


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: psi]
    #19189408 - 11/25/13 10:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i don't think everyone is an idiot. i think these comments listed are particularly idiotic (and yes i realize you'll keep making them along with your "type")

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Bitter Cactus said:
Some people are so blinded by their emotions. Yes, we want legal, but fuck, that shit does have side effects. I believe it induces schizophrenic mindstates, causes depersonlization/ derealization, social anxiety, and a host of other mental disorders.

Why do the weed tards never mention this?




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I agree with your original statement, there's big time denial around here that any kind of addiction to marijuana is possible or that withdrawal symptoms exist and can be unpleasant for some. Acknowledging that is not "shilling" unless someone is secretly paying you to pretend to hold that opinion.





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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: LittleDipster]
    #19189422 - 11/25/13 10:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Keep on believing you're making brilliant arguments and everyone else is an idiot.





no one is even arguing with him, thats the best part :canthelpbutlaugh:



this isn't an argument. does it look like i am arguing... i am shouting loud and proud. anyone who thinks that people don't know about Marijuana's side effects and who doesn't know that ANY DRUG (BUT especially psychedelic drugs) can illicit some pre-existing medical conditions and that it has nothing to do with the drug itself, but the user of said drug... is A BIG... FAT... :rolleyes:


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19189513 - 11/25/13 10:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You need rehab man. And seriously weed does cause a lot of these conditions, straight up. Do other drugs then come back and tell me that weed is not one of the worst drugs for provoking mental disorders.

Synthetic cannabinoids have serious withdrawals, some say worse than coming off heroin. I think weed has withdrawals too but not as serious as synthetic cannabinoids.

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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19189529 - 11/25/13 10:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Do other drugs then come back and tell me that weed is not one of the worst drugs for provoking mental disorders.




that's a pretty dum thing to say




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Synthetic cannabinoids have serious withdrawals, some say worse than coming off heroin.





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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19189553 - 11/25/13 10:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

MARIJUANA doesn't CAUSE those conditions, you slight-affect broad faced typical Joe-human, those conditions are genetic with possibly the exception of de-personalization; which has a broad diagnostic category; and it STILL isn't CAUSED by Marijuana, it's severity is INCREASED by doing any number of drugs, BECAUSE it's a MEDICAL CONDITION, NOT AN EFFECT OF THE DRUG... even after long term use.

and i'm talking about Marijuana (like everyone was) NOT Synthetic Cannabinoids. you need to remove the fucking eye patch you're wearing so you can see better. (did marijuana cause those malfunctioning eyes too?)

i'm not even high, you blithering chum filled Porpoise; i haven't smoked any weed in two weeks and i'm feeling fucking great. it's you people (i can't think of a clever synonym for moron) that are interjecting in threads, saying "well i can't believe people don't admit to marijuana being harmful". i'm EXPLAINING to you, that first off, NO ONE DOES THAT, and second of all, THAT YOU ARE EXAGGERATING.


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    #19189600 - 11/25/13 10:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds like an addict in denial to me.


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    #19189643 - 11/25/13 11:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

HAHAHAHA, i haven't smoked weed in weeks... i only smoke about an eighth in a week, and take frequent breaks. i'm not an addict, but i know wtf you are.

plus the people who one uped your post... either still misinformed (through pure ignorance, like yourself, cause i just ceaselessly explained thoroughly how your position is WRONG) or trolling... like i'd assume is the point.


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    #19189683 - 11/25/13 11:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Man the stoner, weed enthusiast are almost worse than the prohibitionists now. I'm not talking about you necessarily but there needs to be balance to the argument rather than the "omgweedcandonowrongimatard" thing.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19189709 - 11/25/13 11:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

ok, balance the argument then. respond to me without personalizing the issue, and lets see if we can have a rational discussion. but i'll just end up repeating myself anyways...

here is this polite enough of an exchange for you?

a drug cannot CAUSE what is known as a medical disorder, because a drug can only have very specific effects, and there is no drug that CAUSES (none literally) permanent or lasting psychosis or whatever the disorder is of your choice. it cannot. there is no drug that does that. HOWEVER, there are drugs (practically all psychotropic drugs) that can INHIBIT PRE-EMINENT, PRE-EXISTING, PRE-DISPOSED DISORDERS, and THAT'S NOT BECAUSE OF THE DRUGS EFFECTS ON THE HUMAN BODY BY ITSELF, but by EXACERBATING THOSE DISORDERS WHICH THE PERSON IS ALREADY PRONE TO.

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    #19189737 - 11/25/13 11:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If a person drowns in a swimming pool, do you blame it on water?


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    #19189743 - 11/25/13 11:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

these types, yes... yes they do. by their logic, absolutely the water's fault.


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    #19189749 - 11/25/13 11:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So I haven't smoked any marijuana in over two weeks. I just moved to a new area don't know anyone and can't find any heads. My dreams have been so vivid they are waking me up all night long and my attitude is shitty. The only other time I've had dreams like this was in jail which puts you in a shitty attitude any ways. I've been smoking concisely scenes I 14 and I'm know 35 it's starting to drive me nutty. Has anyone else ever had this problem.  :wow:  :ganja:





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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19189766 - 11/25/13 11:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

"Results: Evidence from 6 longitudinal studies in 5 countries shows that regular cannabis use predicts an increased risk of a schizophrenia diagnosis or of reporting symptoms of psychosis.
The relation did not seem to be a result of cannabis use to self-medicate symptoms of psychosis.
Conclusions: It is most plausible that cannabis use precipitates schizophrenia in individuals who are vulnerable because of a personal or family history of schizophrenia."

"Cannabis use can lead to a range of short-lived symptoms such as de-personalisation, de-realisation, a feeling of loss of control, fear of dying, irrational panic and paranoid ideas...
The evidence that cannabis has a causative role in chronic psychotic or affective disorders is not convincing, although the drug may modify the course of an already established illness."

"Given that the incidence of schizophrenia declined substantially in Western societies in the 1970s, at the same time cannabis use was rising, it seems highly unlikely that marijuana causes schizophrenia in otherwise healthy people....
Cannabis psychosis is self-limiting, disappearing in a few days with or without medical treatment. Toxic psychosis probably occurs more commonly in individuals with preexisting psychiatric disorders....
Marijuana temporarily alters mood, thought, emotions, and perception, sometimes quite dramatically. None of marijuana's effects cause people to behave in any particular manner. In the midst of a toxic psychosis, people may become agitated and frightened. In response to acute panic, people may become withdrawn and inactive. Neither of these states eliminates the social and moral restraints that guide human behavior."

i can keep going... even scientists who think that their is cause for concern, agree that...

"Exposure to cannabis during adolescence and young adulthood increases the risk of psychotic symptoms later in life. Cannabis use at baseline increased the cumulative incidence of psychotic symptoms at follow up four years later...but has a much stronger effect in those with evidence of predisposition for psychosis."

http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000220

and apparently people are so stupified by the notion that they probably had something wrong with them to begin with BEFORE TAKING Marijuana; that it actually skews results. :facepalm: "increased risk" just means "more likely to exhibit" because "DUR i smoked Marijuana that's why i'm crazy!1 i couldn't have been before!"

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    #19189771 - 11/25/13 11:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So I haven't smoked any marijuana in over two weeks. I just moved to a new area don't know anyone and can't find any heads. My dreams have been so vivid they are waking me up all night long and my attitude is shitty. The only other time I've had dreams like this was in jail which puts you in a shitty attitude any ways. I've been smoking concisely scenes I 14 and I'm know 35 it's starting to drive me nutty. Has anyone else ever had this problem.  :wow:  :ganja:





i feel too much mj dumbs down reality, although not a exactly a bad things it's nice to be aware of shit going on and being sensitive to the world ten fold.



that's rational, coherent and sane.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19189797 - 11/25/13 11:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

There is defs research pointing towards the fact that marijuana use increases your chances at getting schizophrenia.

An addict can get very enraged and defensive when his DOC is attacked, whether it's weed or anything.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19189799 - 11/25/13 11:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

not sure if sarcasm :notsureif:


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    #19189828 - 11/25/13 11:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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There is defs research pointing towards the fact that marijuana use increases your chances at getting schizophrenia.

An addict can get very enraged and defensive when his DOC is attacked, whether it's weed or anything.




ok, that's not an argument for one... and also, i just posted several articles assessing that the likelihood of such events are shown to have no connection between using weed, and have more of a connection to having had a pre-existing condition.


i need palliative care, i'm going insane from dealing with irrational people who can't listen to reason. (yes i realize i look angry... i am just frustrated because i really don't want to be doing this anymore.) seriously. an addict can be all those things... and you'd have to be a moron to feel like you're addicted to weed, but it DOES happen... but like i said, a person who is used to doing something for twenty years as a coping mechanism for boredom, regardless of if it's drugs or not, will exhibit those types of defenses. it has nothing to do with my being an addict; me defending my position. to claim so is asinine.

i've shown you evidence. i've shown you excerpts from peer reviewed studies... and i've told you that when "risk factor" comes involved, it's BAD SCIENCE; because they have SEEN that there is no connection to Marijuana as the CAUSE of any of these conditions you speak of... they see a correlation in "risk factor and use of marijuana" which is dumb-speak for "we don't know why people end up coming to us say they're crazy from the weed",; AND THAT CAN BE ATTRIBUTED TO THE PERSON BEING A MORON FOR THINKING HE WASN'T CRAZY BEFORE TAKING THE WEED.

i had that clever comment... about how Derp was always just a fun guy at parti... nevermind. :facepalm:

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not sure if sarcasm :notsureif:



after all my ranting and railing against certain posters, you got a short, concise, and affirming post of my believe in your stance. i'm NOT being sarcastic.

(you should be able to tell just from the fact that i'm not e-yelling in your e-direction)


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    #19189836 - 11/25/13 11:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

How does little jimmy know he is predisposed to schizophrenia before he smokes the pot? I guess two years later when he is smoking the weed and can't quit it and is hearing voices and seeing shadow people.


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    #19189838 - 11/25/13 11:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

cool cool. :murray:


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19189853 - 11/25/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

can someone with who's not dumb read my comments on the top of THIS page (where i am being more polite) and ignore my raving earlier, and just tell me whether or not i'm completely biased? i shudder to think that i am reading these articles written by doctors, and i'm still not able to show that the connection between using Marijuana and having a mental disorder is UNPROVEN, and that the "increase risk factor" attributed to Marijuana for "causing" these disorders, is basically like saying that "if someone came in and said that they felt crazy, we're gonna put that in the study; as if it was prove for causation" when anyone with a brain knows that it's A CORRELATION that they infer to, and not a CAUSE.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19189861 - 11/25/13 11:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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How does little jimmy know he is predisposed to schizophrenia before he smokes the pot? I guess two years later when he is smoking the weed and can't quit it and is hearing voices and seeing shadow people.



well, for one, by noting that the effects little Jimmy has from weed are too noteworthy and not at all what weed does for most, if not all of his friends, and that if he's hearing voices or acting erratic, that he should just quit and not use it? and if he's "addicted" send little Jimmy to rehab for potheads. :rolleyes:

your scenario is so far-fetched and unlikely, that's unfathomable, but i just did the impossible. i gave you a striaght answer.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19189932 - 11/26/13 12:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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good argument. now can you stop popping up in threads making stupid points about how a drug has minor side effects and how drugs can expose and make stronger latent preexisting medical disorders/conditions, and then blaming it on the drug; or are you just gonna keep doing that?




Maybe you can give some examples of where I've said anything about latent medical conditions. I think you're confusing me with someone else. The "minor side effects" to cessation (aka withdrawal) that you refer to are obviously relevant to the thread topic.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: psi]
    #19190005 - 11/26/13 12:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

you didn't but your butt buddies did. you can read between the lines, right? if i wasn't saying "ooh but PSI, you said that...", you realize i could be talking about someone else who is saying these things, like for example Bitter Cactus; who seems to be the most ill-informed of you all.

oh and on the cessation of marijuana causing withdrawl... it's minor to basically non-existent. as i've said many a time (which YOU choose to ignore), if someone "quits" a coping mechanism, in which they so obviously derive joy and/or security within, then they will feel "shitty" for lack of a better term (literally, that's the best term). this does NOT mean that they are addicted to something. (just like a person who wants to watch his favorite show that he watches all the time, but he misses an episode and forgets to record it, and he gets mad or sad, but does that mean he's addicted?)

it means they're pissed off because they've ceased a valuable and/or necessary coping mechanism for themselves... in a drugs case; unless the drug is making them have uncontrollable cravings, or making them WITHDRAW (you know, ACTUAL WITHDRAWL, PHYSICAL EFFECTS, SICKNESS, POSSIBLE DEATH MAYBE) they are NOT ADDICTED TO IT. they are habitually drawn to it, and they're peeved off because they don't have it anymore. HUGE DIFFERENCE.

also, to note, that Marijuana has slight addictive qualities, as it makes people crave sometimes, but it's basically the weakest craving that you get from a drug... it's been shown time and time again, that people will be more likely to become addicted to and crave COFFEE OR CHOCOLATE more then people do Marijuana. which makes the whole notion of "i have to remind everyone of the dangers of Marijuana addiction and all those who say it's no big deal or SOO STUPID AND IGNORANT" idiotic and self-righteous.

PLUS, on the cause of side effects... YES Marijuana has a casual set of side effects, that may stink; but they are based on the obvious actions of the drug; like with most drugs... you smoke weed, you get hungry and tired and anxiolytic effects; which we all know about... when the weed wears off; you get THE OPPOSITE of those WELL KNOWN effects, ie sleeplessness, loss of appetite, and irritability or anxiousness (and if you smoke alot and often, the side effects last longer and are worse).

if you go into smoking weed KNOWING that get hungry and tired and anxiolytic effects, then you should know that when you cease using, you'll get THE OPPOSITE of those effects; and be able to judge accordingly if the drug is "for you" or not.

all this kerfuffle can be solely attributed to being unintelligent, misinformed, and candy-asses.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19190040 - 11/26/13 12:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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you didn't but your butt buddies did. you can read between the lines, right? if i wasn't saying "ooh but PSI, you said that...", you realize i could be talking about someone else who is saying these things, like for example Bitter Cactus; who seems to be the most ill-informed of you all.




My butt buddies huh. This kind of thing is a big part of what (often) makes you a shitty debater, grouping people together as opponents and glossing over the differences between what those people have actually argued. Some of the points you've made in this thread I don't disagree with, but your approach stinks.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: psi]
    #19190055 - 11/26/13 01:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

maybe you should try addressing the issues here, or maybe you can't. :shrug: which is funny, because you know... i stated all of the above already, a hundred times, and when i FIRST SAID WHAT I SAID, i was neither rude or name-calling, and you and "your butt buddies" still couldn't address what i was saying. see the first comment i made in this thread.

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yeah its pretty common but a lot of people don't like to talk about it cause pot is the best thing ever and not addictive at all



the guy has been smoking non-stop for 25 years... it's also common for people to become irritable when they don't do what they've been doing for twenty years regardless of the particular item or event.

so... your shilliness isn't necessary.





oh and

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no one is denying that there are after effects of taking drugs. boy, some of you people are shills.

no one is denying that a DRUG (like any DRUG) is going to have side effects. OY MY FUCKING HEAD

ALL DRUGS HAVE SIDE EFFECTS.

Pot though, has some very easily manageable side effects, and YES can be addictive, sorta like how Ice Cream or washing the dishes every morning can be.

GET OVER IT.

no one will ever really say it and mean it, when they say "oh Marijuana is completely harmless" it shouldn't take a rocket scientist to realize that what they mean by that is... WAIT FOR IT...

MARIJUANA IS ONE OF THE SAFEST ILLEGAL DRUGS ON THE PLANET EVER.
PERIOD. END OF STORY. GET OVER IT.




notice^ heated... frustrated... NOT RUDE OR namecalling...

so since you can't address the debate, i think it's settled.

oh yeah and PS: i didn't gloss over your position, i just addressed it. saying that you guys were "butt buddies" was an obviously facetious comment. lacking, i know, but you really can't address the issue to begin with so; how can i, while having to repeat myself to you over and over and over again, how can i NOT get angry? i'm a very straight forward kinda guy, if you can't address what i've said for the umpteenth time, then it's just plain easy to see, that you're never gonna assess your side of the argument.


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    #19190110 - 11/26/13 01:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

My original posts in the thread related to the topic (OP quitting weed and feeling shitty.) It seems to have gone off on somewhat of a tangent since then. Why should I address points of yours that I've never argued against?

Regarding rudeness and name-calling, a lot (but not all) has been coming from you. The second post you quoted even starts out with you calling other users "shills."


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: psi]
    #19190122 - 11/26/13 01:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Weed causes anxiety man. Smoke weed then try and get your swag on.

I have a feeling that weed is one of the major culprits for social anxiety and anxiety disorders that a lot of people have on these forums.


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    #19190130 - 11/26/13 01:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Weed causes anxiety man. Smoke weed then try and get your swag on.

I have a feeling that weed is one of the major culprits for social anxiety and anxiety disorders that a lot of people have on these forums.




it certainly doesn't help anxiety or any other mental illness. I was definitely prone to anxiety before I started smoking, though. It just makes it much more apparent and much harder to deal with.


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    #19190139 - 11/26/13 01:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

^ yay, exactly.

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My original posts in the thread related to the topic (OP quitting weed and feeling shitty.) It seems to have gone off on somewhat of a tangent since then. Why should I address points of yours that I've never argued against?

Regarding rudeness and name-calling, a lot (but not all) has been coming from you. The second post you quoted even starts out with you calling other users "shills."



shill isn't name-calling, it's a definition.

PS: your original post in this thread, was in response to post made by LittleDipster, which was in response to me.
PPS: i said SHILLINESS... as in SILLINESS. way to take something and blow it of proportion, for yourself. i'm sure you didn't mean to, but ya did.
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Weed causes anxiety man. Smoke weed then try and get your swag on.

I have a feeling that weed is one of the major culprits for social anxiety and anxiety disorders that a lot of people have on these forums.




what is this called again? oh yeah, over-generalization.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19190162 - 11/26/13 01:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

PS: thread: you can see from the OP that the OP is not feeling shitty because of not smoking weed... he's feeling shitty because without smoking weed, his dreams have become more vivid, leading him to have worse sleep WHICH makes him feel shitty.

another reason to point out... THAT IT ISN'T BECAUSE "WEED DID IT".

to which this was the response:
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yeah its pretty common but a lot of people don't like to talk about it cause pot is the best thing ever and not addictive at all




this ^ has nothing to do with the OP. (OP did not mention addictiveness, nor was this post actually pointing to any commonality IN THE OP's POST.) this is a orthodox opinion, and should have been ignored.

but it wasn't... and hence. upon trying to correct these absurd accusations... an argument was born. one with which no one came to any reasonable conclusions... except with all the facts about how medicine works and all that. but lets just ignore that for bold-faced liturgy


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19190181 - 11/26/13 01:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

so i'm guessing no one in this thread can face the truth eh?

yeah, i thought so.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19190194 - 11/26/13 01:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

maybe you could use a little reading comprehension?

OP stated his dreams were vivid so they were keeping him up all night AND his attitude was shitty. Meaning he was irritable. He wasn't saying that his lack of sleep caused his irritability.


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    #19190203 - 11/26/13 02:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

so this whole thing hinges on that for you eh?

what if i told you that following the inquiry, he immediately followed up by saying "The only other time I've had dreams like this was in jail which puts you in a shitty attitude any ways..."

he was clearly only referring to THE dreams he was having, and attributed this shitty feelings to that.

it seems you have to brush up on YOUR reading comprehension, because he was all-in-all referring to sleep, regardless if he meant to or not... that and the fact that he never specified that he was feeling shitty independent of his sleeping... so that would be an assumption on your part, dude...

dude... dude... does that help? if i say dude?

you can't add a modifier to suit your original and FAULTY assumption, when it simply isn't there to begin with. it's called a presupposition, and you should work on those; as should i? (oh no, i admitted i've made mistakes... is this the end of the argument? will nothing have been assessed in this thread? only time will tell)


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19190235 - 11/26/13 02:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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he was clearly only referring to THE dreams he was having, and attributed this shitty feelings to that.




Nope. I can see why that sentence is confusing though.

I believe he was stating that jail put him in a shitty attitude. The only other time he had dreams that vivid was when he was in jail.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: LittleDipster]
    #19190251 - 11/26/13 02:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

no, i believe (:rolleyes:) that he said "it puts him in a shitty mood anyways" as a correlation to the fact that he said he got those kind of vivid dreams in prison, too; and that saying "it puts him in a shitty mood anyways", was his way of compounding the two situations as an inference to how he was feeling shitty because of his sleep.

:mypleasure: although we'll never know because we are not the OP; and besides; it's a pointless argument, because it has nothing to do with what we are "debating" about.

in fact, in his post, he makes no mention of "addictiveness" and "addictiveness effecting him", which you settled on, so frivolously.

not one single mention of it.

but i digress. i should have limited my post to you to "all drugs have side effects, which are counter-indicated by the essential effects of the drug. you smoke weed and get tired, hungry and happy... you get off of weed, you get sleepless, grumpy, and a lack of appetite."

simple side effects, NOT a withdrawl.

a withdrawl is something MUCH different; and that was my main point.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19190299 - 11/26/13 03:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Not sure if its such a great idea to be entering this "debate", but anyway, I agree with Akira for the most part.

Have you ever done any research into the area of neuroscience? I'm no expert by any means, but I find the area of study very interesting. Neuroscientist are known for linking "mental disorders", to actual physical "problems" or "abnormalities" in the brain. I've noticed that there is this strange misconception that one can have a mental problem without a physical problem existing. This is not the case. All mental problems are a result of some physical abnormality within the brain, whether its related to neurotransmitter balances, or the actual physical formation of that section of the brain.

How does this relate to drug use? Well I noticed a while ago that there are a number of shroomery users who seem to be under the impression that a substance like shrooms can cause no physical problems but can cause certain mental problems. Again, this is not possible. Any change in ones mental state is a result of a physical change taking place within the brain. I've noticed that throughout this argument you keep using the word side effect. How are you personally defining the word side effect?

In regards to this discussion, as far as I'm aware, a side effect is a temporary or permanent change that occurs physically within an individual. You said there is no drug that causes permanent or lasting psychosis. If one was to abuse methamphetamine severely, it could potentially result in dopaminergic damage. This damage could then potentially manifest in a change in mental perception, i.e psychosis. But, nonetheless, the meth was simply a catalyst for the emergence of this "problem".

Now where this all gets complicated, in my opinion, is deciding on whether the drug was solely responsible for causing the problem or whether it simply acted as a catalyst. I'm curious to hear your opinion on this akira? Personally, I think in my situations the drug will act as a catalyst that causes an already existing brain abnormality to become "more apparent." But, I do also believe that a drug can be blamed for causing a shift in mental perception. In which case, I think it would be fair to say that the drug is to be blamed. Excessive stimulant use is known for causing psychotic behavior, the individual may not be predisposed to this sort of behavior, the drug could literally cause a physical change to take place within the brain that causes the individual to act differently. As I said, the drug is to blame.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: OliverJames]
    #19190316 - 11/26/13 03:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

yah, good point. i didn't included Stimulants in my criteria. i was mainly referring to Psychedelics, but you are absolutely right. down regulation of the Dopamine receptors can be lasting and quite damaging.

also, on the debate, Marijuana's apparent "shrinkage" of the frontal lobe in males having smoked for over decades (i forget the exact number of years now, but the data is out there, and remember it's through EXTENSIVE use for A LONG TIME; as in three joints a day for thirty years, hypothetically speaking); this would be an excellent example of permanent changes in the physiology of the subject, from using Marijuana.

but it's proven that this only happens with EXTREME use, and may as well be attributed to your frontal lobes "homeostasis", so to speak; although, i am not aware of what exact functions cause the shrinkage; only that this effect happens over the course of extensive use for decades.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19190324 - 11/26/13 03:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm sure you're just not looking hard enough, son. Unless you're trying to say you've literally verbally asked every single person in your area.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19190595 - 11/26/13 06:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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PS: thread: you can see from the OP that the OP is not feeling shitty because of not smoking weed... he's feeling shitty because without smoking weed, his dreams have become more vivid, leading him to have worse sleep WHICH makes him feel shitty.

another reason to point out... THAT IT ISN'T BECAUSE "WEED DID IT".

to which this was the response:
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yeah its pretty common but a lot of people don't like to talk about it cause pot is the best thing ever and not addictive at all




this ^ has nothing to do with the OP. (OP did not mention addictiveness, nor was this post actually pointing to any commonality IN THE OP's POST.) this is a orthodox opinion, and should have been ignored.

but it wasn't... and hence. upon trying to correct these absurd accusations... an argument was born. one with which no one came to any reasonable conclusions... except with all the facts about how medicine works and all that. but lets just ignore that for bold-faced liturgy




Poor sleep is one symptom of withdrawal from cannabis as it has been described. Not everyone agrees with this characterization, but enough experts do agree for it to be included in the newest edition of the DSM (DSM-5). Caffeine withdrawal was included for the first time as well.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: psi]
    #19190679 - 11/26/13 07:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

2 weeks? Try 3  years.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: Eggtimer]
    #19190777 - 11/26/13 07:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

3 years of what?


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: psi]
    #19191050 - 11/26/13 09:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

honestly just ask around, it's only weed no one cares and they'll probably try to help as long as they're/you're cool


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: akira_akuma] * 5
    #19191053 - 11/26/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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so i'm guessing no one in this thread can face the truth eh?

yeah, i thought so.




No, it's probably the fact that no one wants to argue with someone acting like an angry chimpanzee.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19191061 - 11/26/13 09:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Weed causes anxiety man. Smoke weed then try and get your swag on.

I have a feeling that weed is one of the major culprits for social anxiety and anxiety disorders that a lot of people have on these forums.



i know some people that weed has powerful anti-anxiety effects on.  and there's a lot of people on here that claim the same thing.  Not everyone reacts the same to it


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: Everlong]
    #19191208 - 11/26/13 10:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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so i'm guessing no one in this thread can face the truth eh?

yeah, i thought so.




No, it's probably the fact that no one wants to argue with someone acting like an angry chimpanzee.



Or someone blatantly in a serious MJ addiction :cookiemonster:


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    #19191368 - 11/26/13 10:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I was smoking weed all day everyday for a decade and quit cold turkey and have zero withdrawals of any kind .


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19192254 - 11/26/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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psi said:
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akira_akuma said:
PS: thread: you can see from the OP that the OP is not feeling shitty because of not smoking weed... he's feeling shitty because without smoking weed, his dreams have become more vivid, leading him to have worse sleep WHICH makes him feel shitty.

another reason to point out... THAT IT ISN'T BECAUSE "WEED DID IT".

to which this was the response:
Quote:

yeah its pretty common but a lot of people don't like to talk about it cause pot is the best thing ever and not addictive at all




this ^ has nothing to do with the OP. (OP did not mention addictiveness, nor was this post actually pointing to any commonality IN THE OP's POST.) this is a orthodox opinion, and should have been ignored.

but it wasn't... and hence. upon trying to correct these absurd accusations... an argument was born. one with which no one came to any reasonable conclusions... except with all the facts about how medicine works and all that. but lets just ignore that for bold-faced liturgy




Poor sleep is one symptom of withdrawal from cannabis as it has been described. Not everyone agrees with this characterization, but enough experts do agree for it to be included in the newest edition of the DSM (DSM-5). Caffeine withdrawal was included for the first time as well.



poor sleep on account of more vivid dreams are a usually withdrawal effect of quitting most drugs, and is a common side effect of alot of drugs, as well.

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so i'm guessing no one in this thread can face the truth eh?

yeah, i thought so.




No, it's probably the fact that no one wants to argue with someone acting like an angry chimpanzee.



nah, it's probably because you don't have any reasonable conclusion or insinuation based on the topic; so you'd rather personalize the issue based on my demeanor; which is solely based in words... no acting or monkey madness here, not that you'd be able to tell anyways. i'm very expressive when i'm typing. besides, if you were to ignore the posts with me raving and being an asshole, and looked at my "more calm" posts, you'd see i have an air tight argument. you can resort to those posts if you wanna leave a message, otherwise, you're just kinda trying to "mark your territory", and not making any valuable assertions at all. leaves you in a worse off position then i am; at least i made some solid points and could debate them rationally... at least, that is, after i stopped telling everyone to fuck off, so to speak. that was my fault, and i apologize... for the fact is that many stupid things were said on both sides of the argument. (such as marijuana "causes medical disorders; boy that on was a doozy)
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I was smoking weed all day everyday for a decade and quit cold turkey and have zero withdrawals of any kind .



this happens alot, but people would probably rather tell you that you're somehow mistaken in your own assessment of your body.

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so i'm guessing no one in this thread can face the truth eh?

yeah, i thought so.




No, it's probably the fact that no one wants to argue with someone acting like an angry chimpanzee.



Or someone blatantly in a serious MJ addiction :cookiemonster:



i said in this thread already that i don't smoke Marijuana all the time, and haven't smoked in over two weeks now. you're mistaken.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19192281 - 11/26/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

WEED IS A MEDICINE. IF USED ACCORDINGLY IT CAN HEAL. IF ABUSED YOU WILL SUCK A FART OUT ITS ASS. END OF STORY. THREAD\


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    #19192311 - 11/26/13 02:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So I haven't smoked any marijuana in over two weeks. I just moved to a new area don't know anyone and can't find any heads. My dreams have been so vivid they are waking me up all night long and my attitude is shitty. The only other time I've had dreams like this was in jail which puts you in a shitty attitude any ways. I've been smoking concisely scenes I 14 and I'm know 35 it's starting to drive me nutty. Has anyone else ever had this problem.  :wow:  :ganja:




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    #19192316 - 11/26/13 02:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Weed causes anxiety man. Smoke weed then try and get your swag on.

I have a feeling that weed is one of the major culprits for social anxiety and anxiety disorders that a lot of people have on these forums.



i know some people that weed has powerful anti-anxiety effects on.  and there's a lot of people on here that claim the same thing.  Not everyone reacts the same to it


yes, that was the original point, that well not everyone gets all but positive effects from Marijuana, the usual casual user would never have to worry about these problems, and they don't need to be told by anyone that they're wrong in their assertion that Marijuana is safe. it's in fact pointless and very stupid to argue that Marijuana isn't safe, because it's been proven time and time again that Marijuana is one of the safest recreational and medicinal drugs out there.

so to argue against the obvious and quite frankly PROVEN conclusions is just asinine and frivolous. want to teach the world a lesson? be more reasonable in your assertions that Marijuana users "cover up" their feelings towards the negative effects of the drug.

because a simple explanation for that, that's right in front an everyone's face, is that Marijuana is one of the safest drugs, and it's safe to assume that most people will not have a problem with it. no one needs to tell THESE people to watch out, or you're stupid or misinformed. no. however if someone is ACTUALLY having a problem with Marijuana use, then the cause for concern would be there; but it's not a simple matter of "everyone being misinformed" about the negative effects of Marijuana... it's more about the the fact that Marijuana's negative effects on people are usually negligible, to say the least. that's why it's touted as a "wonder drug" because, it sort of is... no need to argue against a well founded fact. thought that is what many people are doing, whenever they see someone "leave out" the possible negative effects.

THEY LEAVE THEM OUT BECAUSE THEY ARE NEGLIGIBLE. not to everyone, but mostly everyone.

if someone wants to argue against the negative effects of Marijuana, they should use the example of someone WHO ACTUALLY HAS PROBLEMS WHEN USING MARIJUANA, not the people who SAY THAT THEY DON'T.

that should be pretty obvious, but certain people want to raise a stink about what they see as "people not being truthful about the negative effects". well, in the case of plenty of users, who these people rail against, their claim that "people aren't telling the truth", is totally BOGUS.

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WEED IS A MEDICINE. IF USED ACCORDINGLY IT CAN HEAL. IF ABUSED YOU WILL SUCK A FART OUT ITS ASS. END OF STORY. THREAD\



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    #19194017 - 11/26/13 08:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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so i'm guessing no one in this thread can face the truth eh?

yeah, i thought so.




No, it's probably the fact that no one wants to argue with someone acting like an angry chimpanzee.



nah, it's probably because you don't have any reasonable conclusion or insinuation based on the topic; so you'd rather personalize the issue based on my demeanor; which is solely based in words... no acting or monkey madness here, not that you'd be able to tell anyways. i'm very expressive when i'm typing. besides, if you were to ignore the posts with me raving and being an asshole, and looked at my "more calm" posts, you'd see i have an air tight argument. you can resort to those posts if you wanna leave a message, otherwise, you're just kinda trying to "mark your territory", and not making any valuable assertions at all. leaves you in a worse off position then i am; at least i made some solid points and could debate them rationally... at least, that is, after i stopped telling everyone to fuck off, so to speak. that was my fault, and i apologize... for the fact is that many stupid things were said on both sides of the argument. (such as marijuana "causes medical disorders; boy that on was a doozy)





I actually partially agree with you on the topic. I just thought you were acting outrageous and thinking you've scored some sort of victory when in reality no one wants to have a debate with someone getting such retard rage over the topic.

It seems I am able to tell when I see "monkey business," as 5 people seemed to agree with me about your behavior.

I think at this point I could post pictures of scat and still be in a better off position than yourself. You were raging hard brah.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: Everlong]
    #19194024 - 11/26/13 08:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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so i'm guessing no one in this thread can face the truth eh?

yeah, i thought so.




No, it's probably the fact that no one wants to argue with someone acting like an angry chimpanzee.



nah, it's probably because you don't have any reasonable conclusion or insinuation based on the topic; so you'd rather personalize the issue based on my demeanor; which is solely based in words... no acting or monkey madness here, not that you'd be able to tell anyways. i'm very expressive when i'm typing. besides, if you were to ignore the posts with me raving and being an asshole, and looked at my "more calm" posts, you'd see i have an air tight argument. you can resort to those posts if you wanna leave a message, otherwise, you're just kinda trying to "mark your territory", and not making any valuable assertions at all. leaves you in a worse off position then i am; at least i made some solid points and could debate them rationally... at least, that is, after i stopped telling everyone to fuck off, so to speak. that was my fault, and i apologize... for the fact is that many stupid things were said on both sides of the argument. (such as marijuana "causes medical disorders; boy that on was a doozy)





I actually partially agree with you on the topic. I just thought you were acting outrageous and thinking you've scored some sort of victory when in reality no one wants to have a debate with someone getting such retard rage over the topic.

It seems I am able to tell when I see "monkey business," as 5 people seemed to agree with me about your behavior.

I think at this point I could post pictures of scat and still be in a better off position than yourself. You were raging hard brah.




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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19194314 - 11/26/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

meh, if you had agreed with me, there'd be no need to address the argument, no matter how futile or silly seeming.

if you had not agreed with me, then you should have said something that would have not been covered already, in my argument... if i was proven wrong in any case, i'd like to know about it, but so far... there's been no progress in that area.

so, hence... i don't care how stupid and "raging" i seemed to you or anyone else; i already started another thread in which restructured the argument into a debate, and had been a bit more level headed in that thread, anyway; and also had admitted that my earlier "outburst" was silly and not level headed at all, so you're not even telling me i don't already know.

get to something new, otherwise, stop bumping this thread and use the other thread, or don't bump either; OR go ahead and keep the issue going. :shrug: i've already shown a logical discretion in my argument to explain how Weed doesn't "cause or create" mental disorders, and that Weed withdrawal effects can easily confused with the after effects of smoking the drug.

DO you have anything new to offer?


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    #19194359 - 11/26/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Just think how good it'll be when you smoke again


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    #19194369 - 11/26/13 09:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You will calm down a bit I am sure. Regardless of if you are withdrawing from weed, you are probably used to it's effects to calm down.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19196142 - 11/27/13 12:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I officially quit weed forever. Its too intense and I just dont care for it anymore. Too much anxiety. I am dropping it.


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OP got his thread jacked. Wonder if he found some herb yet. :shrug:


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: Kada]
    #19196757 - 11/27/13 02:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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OP got his thread jacked. Wonder if he found some herb yet. :shrug:



do you really think the thread would have gotten anywhere? OP didn't even post in his thread again... if the thread wasn't "jacked" then it would have just fallen off the page into obscurity.

your pointing out of a "jacked thread" is pretty irrelevant, but hey, when "a rule of thumb" is stickin' out you, gotta point it out, right?

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You will calm down a bit I am sure. Regardless of if you are withdrawing from weed, you are probably used to it's effects to calm down.



like i said, i use weed to keep my cycles from swinging so rapidly... i think i might have bi-polar or something, because i can get very manic, and then have episodes of depression.

with weed, i'm just leveled out. which is why i enjoy it so much. but i'm also used to just dealing with my "mood swings" without weed, and i do just fine... i rarely have a depressive episode, and if i do, i just push through it by getting up early, doing some exercise or work around the house, and get out of the funk. :shrug: i don't use weed all day every day to "keep straight" or anything; simply because i don't want to... it don't use it as a deterrent for anything, really...


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19196773 - 11/27/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Kada said:
OP got his thread jacked. Wonder if he found some herb yet. :shrug:



do you really think the thread would have gotten anywhere? OP didn't even post in his thread again... if the thread wasn't "jacked" then it would have just fallen off the page into obscurity.

your pointing out of a "jacked thread" is pretty irrelevant, but hey, when "a rule of thumb" is stickin' out you, gotta point it out, right?



Thread taken off topic by an argument, thread jacked. Take a :chillpill:


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #19196777 - 11/27/13 02:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

the thread wasn't going anywhere anyways, OP didn't even respond back. so i don't care if you think the thread was jacked, because it's irrelevant. it would have been dropped of the page if it wasn't "jacked".

:shrug: i am chill, saying take a chill pill is also quite banal and irrelevant. try something else if you want to convince me of something. maybe it'll work.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19203818 - 11/29/13 07:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

YOU GUYS WANT TO TALK ABOUT BUTSEX?


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19203843 - 11/29/13 07:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
YOU GUYS WANT TO TALK ABOUT BUTSEX?



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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #19216543 - 12/02/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think this thread got a little out of control. I enjoy weed and agree it has side effects not withdrawals. I've been a junky heroin/coke and know all about withdrawals. I never said I was addicted to weed. All I said was I enjoy weed and it calms me down. With out I'm more irritable and don't sleep as well. Just like anyone who is deprived of what ever their daily habit is coffee, tea, exercise, jerkin off, arguing, and so on. Been staying out of this cause like I said it gotten out of control thanks.


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Re: not smoking marijuana [Re: TiN 42]
    #19216758 - 12/02/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Weed, kratom and coffee are the best drugs- safe, natural, and awesome.

I am currently taking one of my longest ever breaks from weed but if you are going to do a drug they don't come any safer than weed.


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