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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: Kizzle]
    #19187965 - 11/25/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Spawning to bulk is not necessarily the greatest notion that was ever conceived of in regards to mycology. Using anything beyond a 1:2 ratio of spawn to bulk seems completely idiotic. Once again, bulk substrates lack the nutrients to increase yields. They exist mainly for the purpose of supplying water to developing fruit bodies. Crumbling non-consolidated cakes opens the possibility of contamination and uses nutrients for the purpose of colonization rather than increasing your yields.




I take it you're a fan of cakes?

From what I've seen - I'm hesitant to believe anything beyond a 1:2 ratio is "completely idiotic."


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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: mycomattie]
    #19188524 - 11/25/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Not in particular. I'm a fan of what works best for each given situation. A cake from a quart jar will perform the same as a substrate with similar depth so long as it can hold water. Most grains don't do that so well and thus need the bulk. Whole rice might, but it's looking doubtful.

What'd you see? I saw folks spawning using a 1:8 ratio for less than spectacular yields.


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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: Ara16w]
    #19328475 - 12/26/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Figured this could use an update.

The plain rice from my first batch where I followed the cooking directions on the package and then hand squeezed out the excess moisture was a failure. It was still way too wet.

For my second effort, I used the 1:1 ratio of water to rice and simmered it for 20 minutes per other folks instructions. It was a sticky mess, but a mostly dry sticky mess. I encountered a new problem with these jars I've never run into before. Sometime during the first week, the rice started fermenting.

There isn't a funky smell coming out of the jars and no bacteria nor mold is growing on the grains. The rice is turning orange and falling apart which caused me moisture issues since the rice releases its water when it ferments. There's healthy mycelium throughout the jars but I did notice something interesting from this. In a few jars where the myc was close to the fermentation zones, the myc loves the fermented rice. It's growing more vigorously in those portions of the jars so I've decided to give it another week and see how it plays out.

Those runs were both boiled for 90 minutes by the way.

My third effort used the same 1:1 ratio and cook time except I washed the rice afterward to get rid of the stickiness and added gypsum and vermiculite until it was dry. I also PCed that batch for 90 minutes. Obviously, it's working fine. It's somewhere between 20%-40% colonized after a week.

In the future I'm going to experiment with soaking the rice instead of cooking it and possibly fermenting it before PCing. I'll have to wait and see how this plays out.


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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: Ara16w]
    #19328485 - 12/26/13 11:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Probly growing like that because its treating it like a contam,


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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: Ara16w]
    #19328904 - 12/26/13 01:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I'll have to wait and see how this plays out.




i suspect your just playing around mostly.

fact is, if ya want a tangible reliable, quality grow, ya need a PC.

you can reduce yourself to chance,
with the heart warming conjecture,
of obviously inexperienced and poorly trained noobs ,
who believe in steaming, rather than get a 30$ PC,
or, ya can get a PC and grow for real.

no one sane , who ever owned a PC,
says " gee , i wanna go back to steaming cuz its better"

those who promote steaming, are almost 100% small growers,
who lack the means to use them, and seek some degree of validation for luck.

no points for luck, all points for skill in annieville.
if i started validating steamers, half my hater score would vanish.


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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: anne halonium]
    #19328919 - 12/26/13 01:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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those who promote steaming, are almost 100% small growers,
who lack the means to use them, and seek some degree of validation for luck.

no points for luck, all points for skill in annieville.
if i started validating steamers, half my hater score would vanish.



http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16271746#16271746...just saying


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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: cronicr]
    #19328972 - 12/26/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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anne halonium said:

those who promote steaming, are almost 100% small growers,
who lack the means to use them, and seek some degree of validation for luck.

no points for luck, all points for skill in annieville.
if i started validating steamers, half my hater score would vanish.



http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16271746#16271746...just saying





fine for those with a HS diploma, and some engineering skill.

other than that, its just an enabling fantasy for the typical grower ,
who lacks skill, training, and 30$

if i hated noobs, id tell them to steam.

read the thread, it has nothing to do with noobs and gramma crock pot.
if anything, it proves my point.


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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: anne halonium]
    #19328981 - 12/26/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

pc's are always the way to go, the most reliable tool we have in this hobby:thumbup:


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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: cronicr]
    #19328996 - 12/26/13 01:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

cronic,
right when ya make me wonder, ya seem to wise up.
you amaze me more than anyone here.:heart:


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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: anne halonium]
    #19329011 - 12/26/13 01:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

anyone got experience with the electric ones? i got offered one for fairly cheap but never see them used?


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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: anne halonium]
    #19331531 - 12/27/13 02:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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those who promote steaming, are almost 100% small growers,
who lack the means to use them, and seek some degree of validation for luck.

no points for luck, all points for skill in annieville.
if i started validating steamers, half my hater score would vanish.




We obviously have terrible standards.  Why don't you go start your own forum where to be part of the cultivation board you have to own a PC first and prove a level of skill?  That way you don't have to deal with ostriches and people who promote things like steaming grains for 8 hours?  You're the one who's always talking about setting standards so start your own place.  People will obviously see how superior your standards are and naturally everyone will gravitate over to your fora.

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anyone got experience with the electric ones? i got offered one for fairly cheap but never see them used?




Cronicr, I saw a thread recently where someone was showing off their electric sterilizer and they said they loved it.  I'll try to find it for you.


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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19331537 - 12/27/13 02:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

OH MY GOD I STEAMED MY GRAIN!

shoot me now:lol:, do shit right and don't cut corners and always stay stubborn:thumbup:


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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19331878 - 12/27/13 06:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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We obviously have terrible standards.  Why don't you go start your




your suggesting the entire shroomery lower itself till it meets you somewhere?

a good portion of the peeps here have good standards.
you imply your standard , is standard, and thats bullshit.
thats  insulting to all the serious members here.

fact is, the poser growers, are a low percent here.
most peeps here actually try for a serious grow.
the posers just make alot of noise and create confusion beyond their numbers.

i respect the serious growers time and efforts and money.
i am never gonna tell them to hack it out and hope.
ill leave that to you.

ill suggest ya ask roger and the mods,
if they will create a kiddie pool with life guards for you.

its common knowledge , alot of excellent growers have left forums, because of the abusive nature of the pseudo growers.
i wish  all the pros in hiding would come back.
sorry if that would spoil your day.





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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: anne halonium]
    #19481692 - 01/27/14 02:47 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

Fermentation during colonization = bust.

I had some pints that I thought for sure would finish since the myc was spread evenly throughout about 50% colonized but the fermentation won. None of the jars developed any other contaminants though outside of the yeast. I'd still be curious to see how it works out sterilizing slightly fermented rice.

Now I have a PC and a shit ton of rice so I'm probably not going to be steaming it for the hell of it. However, something has to be done with the rice. I rinsed off several pounds and put that into a bucket with a few tablespoons of instant coffee on top. I boiled about 3x the volume of water and dumped it into the bucket and I'm going to let it soak for 24 hours. That may not be enough but it should have a vastly different texture than cooked rice. I'll probably end up treating WBS in a similar manner in the future since it's been my experience that simmering it makes it too wet. Several hours of drying in the sun and then being rolled around in a towel to only find that it still has too much moisture has made me want to abandon that approach, and I do have some that I soaked for 48 hours going along with the simmered as an experiment.

One way or another I'm going to figure out whole rice's secret, why it's such a tease. It makes too good of a slurry not to.


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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: Ara16w]
    #19481793 - 01/27/14 03:06 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

stop fucking around and follow a wbs tek to the T lol


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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: cronicr]
    #19482025 - 01/27/14 03:47 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

I have.

24 hour soak, 45-60 minute simmer is terrible. I've been doing this long enough to know what I'm looking for in moisture content. When I was new I just loaded up the overly wet grains after that procedure and it caused me a bunch of problems.

There's currently over 20lbs of substrate going using methods that old pros would recomend and I've had other stuff start and finish since experimenting. Let me experiment dammit! How would you have liked it if someone told you not to experiment when you were a teenager? I've explained masturbation to one person in this lifetime, I won't do it again.

Also, had I not experimented with LC I would have not found a method that gave me 100% success with 8 pints which seems unheard of here. I'm still in shock that it happened frankly given my past results, but injecting the most minute amount possible from a spore syringe that I suspected to be a dirty print into honey water and slowly incubating (70 at night, 80 for 6 hours during the day) worked like a charm.


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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: Ara16w]
    #19482118 - 01/27/14 04:07 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

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I have.

24 hour soak, 45-60 minute simmer is terrible.



well then u haven't, the teks call for a ten minute simmer not 45-60 thats for rye, too many small seeds in wbs for that long of a simmer lol, and don't get so offended i'm just twisting your nipples a bit


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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: cronicr]
    #19482595 - 01/27/14 05:57 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

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i'm just twisting your nipples a bit



You should've complimented his eyes and bought him a drink first.


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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: OgreLokon]
    #19483125 - 01/27/14 07:36 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

Talk about a painful thread :laugh:


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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: OgreLokon]
    #19483378 - 01/27/14 08:21 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

Without going back and rereading I'm almost 100% certain you're wrong and here's why. None of the grains are anywhere near bursting after 10 minutes. Ten minutes doesn't even make a noticeable difference. Now I know that burst grains aren't ideal but having 5% or so of your total burst is about perfect hydration.

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i'm just twisting your nipples a bit



You should've complimented his eyes and bought him a drink first.



God damn right. What's wrong with you? Are you some kind of fag? My eyes are certainly complimentable.


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