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facepockets
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: facepockets]
#18397715 - 06/10/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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facepockets said: I'm gonna give this thread a little revival bump. I grafted an Ariocarpus fissuratus onto a Pereskiopsis cutting, and now I've got some kind of unusual growth.
April 29th

May 3rd

May 12th

I guess it's hard to tell at this point exactly what is happening, but would ya'll consider this a chimera? I was baffled by those lil tumors popping out below any node.
Here's a recent update to this unusual creation:
June 9th, 2013
 
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: facepockets]
#18399024 - 06/10/13 07:40 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've got a bridgesii that displays some interesting growth. At times, it appears monstrose; but then it returns back to regular growth.
I'll take some pictures of it soon to put up on here.
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: modern.shaman]
#18402051 - 06/11/13 09:09 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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modern.shaman said: Do Not Stop Experimenting. This is how new discoveries are made. Every failed experiment is one step closer to success.
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#18522481 - 07/06/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: durian_2008]
#18535882 - 07/09/13 07:02 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: facepockets]
#19087625 - 11/04/13 09:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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facepockets said:
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facepockets said: I'm gonna give this thread a little revival bump. I grafted an Ariocarpus fissuratus onto a Pereskiopsis cutting, and now I've got some kind of unusual growth.
April 29th

May 3rd

May 12th

I guess it's hard to tell at this point exactly what is happening, but would ya'll consider this a chimera? I was baffled by those lil tumors popping out below any node.
Here's a recent update to this unusual creation:
June 9th, 2013
 
any new growth on this?
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facepockets
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
#19092038 - 11/05/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was a lil drunk when I took these, but they'll have to do.
 
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modern.shaman
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: facepockets] 1
#19158478 - 11/19/13 07:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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So I'm gonna start buying seeds and supply to hopefully induce mutants this coming spring.
I've been reading up on mutagens again and apparently even leaving seeds out in the sun can cause mutations (low rate) due to the UVB rays breaking/deleting some DNA links. This is an easy method that doesn't cost anything. There is also a low mortality rate due it not being especially toxic (can cause cancer if over exposed) and the seed shell will block out most protecting the embryo. You can also do this with young seedlings however its easy to kill them this way. I have lost MANY seedlings due to high sunlight however from the survivors I had a few interesting specimens and the rest have strong genetics. 
I'll be going the chemical route due to the effectiveness and will attempt multiple different concentrations to see which produces the best results. Unsure of the exact chemical I'll be choosing as of yet but will only choose one for now.
EDIT: I forgot to mention Caffeine is also a mutagen to plants however large doses increase mortality rate as it is toxic. First soaking the seeds in water for about 24 hours and then soaking them in coffee for a number of hours and then planting. I'll probably try this as well but use caffeine pills so I can have specific concentrations.
I also found two 'new' chimeras. + Stenogonia cv. Stenocereus sp. x Obregonia denegrii



Echinopsis chimaera subdenudata + chamaecereus cv. lutea


They were both found on http://www.llifle.com//CACTI/ and they have photos of many cacti.
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: modern.shaman]
#19159274 - 11/19/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for the link and let us know how things go. I can't wait to see if you're successful or not with the way you're doing it. Both of those chimeras are incredibly beautiful. The first is probably my fav just because of how merged the two species are.
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: SuperD]
#19178479 - 11/23/13 10:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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What's the consensus on grafting 'skin-to-skin'?
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: durian_2008]
#19182342 - 11/24/13 12:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Anyone tried an areole graft with BAP yet?
The sunlight mutation theory seems plausible to me. Any new info on infectious mycoplasma proliferation or infectious chlorosis?(ala Opuntia subulata monstrose/pereskiopsis 'monstrose')
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: Methadone]
#19183044 - 11/24/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I attempted an areola on areola graft using a pachanoi and pereskiopsis stock and resulting in a regular pup, not that I expected any different. I don't have BAP however I doubt that it would cause a different result.
I thought of a technique that may increase the possibility of a chimera; grafting higher up on the stock near the apex since the cells are not developed perhaps it be easier to fuse the cells since similar to stem cells. Rather than cutting lower down on the stock to have a larger vascular ring you you graft very high up on the stock. I don't have much proof on this so take this with a grain of salt.
I attempted a few Opuntia subulata monstrose/pereskiopsis 'monstrose' in order to try and replicate the results however of the three that survived none have shown any signs of monstrose growth. The thing is I used a small sized stock of the OSM so perhaps there wasn't enough to transfer the infection ; this doesn't seem to mater when they grafted onto an opuntia. Another thing is instead of a flat graft; difficult due to the size of shape of the stock/scion, I did an 'impale' graft into the stock so maybe this has an impact due to the damage created?
I'll reattempt the graft using the entire OSM on its own roots rather than using only a small section.
Also any ideas/opinions on the following:
"One thing I am starting to wonder is if old cutting have a higher chance of become "strange" due to cells becoming damaged after many years self duplicating. Kinda like cancer are damaged cells that replicate then spread." This could be due to a build-up of damage caused by the sun and other possible mutagens that may occur in nature. I can't really prove this and is simply a theory to support an observation I've made. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19170251#19170251
Grafting/joining split cacti; idea is similar to grafting very high on the stock on the apex. Would this just be a complete fail since cutting the cactus in half would just kill the cactus? http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19182887#19182887
Edited by modern.shaman (11/24/13 03:37 PM)
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: modern.shaman]
#19187863 - 11/25/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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First question: Yes, sounds plausible, I guess this qualifies as evidence.

On #2, I've read this: http://www.lapshin.org/cultivar/N30/hasan-e.htm "Vertical Grafting" It does work and in principle I guess there is as good of a chance as any of producing a chimera but the only verified method is the one in Teratopia.
Odd about the Opuntia mycoplasma not transferring, especially over separate grafts.
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: Methadone]
#20305800 - 07/21/14 01:12 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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I may be wrong but this pup looks freaky. Astrophytum asterias on Cereus peruvianus or Philocereus sp. The apex of the astro was damaged and the pup came directly at the join tissue. The spines do not look capricorne like to me; anyone else have an opinion?
I ended up not testing the caffeine or chemical induction of mutants.
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: modern.shaman]
#20307494 - 07/21/14 07:08 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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It looks promising but also really a little too early to tell. I've been both pleased and disappointed in the past when I see potentially freaky pups emerging. Sometimes they look freaky as hell when they first start coming out and then before they're done, they turn out to be totally normal. Then again I've had the opposite also happen, so it really could go either way. Here's to hoping you've got a mutant pup! Keep us updated as always.
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: SuperD]
#20311430 - 07/22/14 03:24 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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This definitly looks odd. Maybe an areole that was hidden underneath just came to life.
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: ferrel_human]
#20313997 - 07/23/14 12:46 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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I completely forgot about this thread! Definitely trying out some freaky grafting soon!
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: ken1993]
#20773702 - 10/30/14 05:47 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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The suspected chimera has not grown or changed at all.
Here is an update on the trichocereus bridgesii growing in water. Original Post
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This was a simple experiment that I've been doing for 2 months now, this bridgesii seedling has been in water and has not rotted. This is similar to how some people do 'hydro' pereskiopsis. The new growth is visible in the photo. I use a hydro fertilizer and change the water once a month. I've done the same with astro seedlings but has not had impressive results, most has rotted.

Here it is today.
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: modern.shaman]
#20774281 - 10/30/14 07:40 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Looks good man. Is it sitting in a nutriemt solution?
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: ferrel_human]
#20776692 - 10/31/14 11:20 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes its in a 5-11-26 npk with minor. Probably would grow quiker with more N and changing solution more than once a month.
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