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Re: Aminita muscaria [Re: suchen]
    #19192536 - 11/26/13 03:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Are the different "var." of Amanita muscaria like saying that Asians are Homo sapien sapien var. asian? That seems kinda silly. I was reading a scientific paper the other day and it concluded that what we consider a 'species' is wrong and that we should think of it more like a wide group that is capable of interbreeding ie. Homo neanderthalensis, Homo dravida, Homo sapien...


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Re: Aminita muscaria [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #19193076 - 11/26/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Are the different "var." of Amanita muscaria like saying that Asians are Homo sapien sapien var. asian? That seems kinda silly. I was reading a scientific paper the other day and it concluded that what we consider a 'species' is wrong and that we should think of it more like a wide group that is capable of interbreeding ie. Homo neanderthalensis, Homo dravida, Homo sapien...




And there was lots of kinky neanderthal on sapien intercourse back in the day. 
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Re: Aminita muscaria [Re: RiparianZoneJunky]
    #19193562 - 11/26/13 06:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Certainly species occur across a spectrum of natural variation. Variety, subspecies, etc. are just useful words to describe consistent features of certain groups of individuals within a species.


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Re: Aminita muscaria [Re: suchen]
    #19194316 - 11/26/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Certainly species occur across a spectrum of natural variation. Variety, subspecies, etc. are just useful words to describe consistent features of certain groups of individuals within a species.



It becomes a problem when a "single species" has a bunch of different names though.
a species is defined as: "group of living organisms consisting of similar individuals capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding. The species is the principal natural taxonomic unit, ranking below a genus and denoted by a Latin binomial, e.g., Homo sapiens."
So this would mean that Homo neanderthalensis, Homo dravida, Homo sapien plus more that we haven't discovered yet, are all "capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding". Doesn't that mean we should consider all of them a single species? Currently we consider them separate species from one another.


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Re: Aminita muscaria [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #19194444 - 11/26/13 10:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Depends on your definition of species. 

See http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_species_concept

The biological species concept does not work very well for mushrooms however.

At the end of the day, the definition of species is up to you, and everyone has a different definition and that is ok.

The definition I use follows Dr. Bas's guidelines, which is that there should be three unrelated differences. 

For animals, the whole successfulness of sex determining species thing works pretty well.  Does not work all that well for mushrooms though.


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Re: Aminita muscaria [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #19195599 - 11/27/13 09:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So this would mean that Homo neanderthalensis, Homo dravida, Homo sapien plus more that we haven't discovered yet, are all "capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding". Doesn't that mean we should consider all of them a single species? Currently we consider them separate species from one another.




Depends on who you talk to. Some people consider neanderthals and others a subspecies of Homo sapiens. Alan nailed the important considerations when dealing with what a fungal "species" is.


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Re: Aminita muscaria [Re: suchen]
    #19198126 - 11/27/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

For any of you who might be interested in more alternative views on hominoids or human evolution I would recommend looking into Lloyd Pye's research. It's a bit left field for sure but absolutely fascinating, especially all that starchild skull stuff!


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